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SmokeInDaEye
07-24-2006, 01:24 PM
I've been playing with this tropic-themed sauce, possibly to use on chicken at the Hudson Valley Rib Fest. It's got a great balance of sweet and heat but it's darn yellow and I'm not sure how judges tend to feel towards brighter, non-red sauces or glazes. Has anyone had any luck or failure with yellow sauces?

As an aside, Phil, I found a solution for that beefy tasting sauce you tried at Grill Kings. Couldn't fix the sauce so I've hired some guy to raise cows that taste like barbecue sauce. Figured it will balance out in the wash.:wink:

BrooklynQ
07-24-2006, 01:59 PM
I don't know about the yellow sauce. I know that at Guitarbeque the best tasting chicken I judged had a yellow - almost clear - sauce on it. But it sure wasn't the best looking. I don't know if it was because it was yellow, or because it looked like it was baked, not Q'd.

Worry the most about the taste. The judges are looking for BBQ chicken -whatever that means in their heads. It's got to taste like barbeque. It may be great, but if it's not BBQ to them, you'll score low.

Just my opinion. YMMV.

SmokeInDaEye
07-24-2006, 02:40 PM
Thanks! That's what my gut was telling me.

The flavors work well with smoked chicken but it's probably in our best interest to be less ambitious in our first sanctioned competition. Maybe a more tradition flavor (and color) sauce to finish the ribs and chicken, while leaving the brisket and shoulder natural.

Kirk
07-24-2006, 05:57 PM
Maybe there's an ingredient you can add that will give you a more traditional color without dramatically changing the flavor? If the sauce is good, it'd be worth a little experimentation to make it more visually appealing to the judges. My brain's not working too good right now, but if I think of anything, I'll post it. What other flavor elements do you have going on?

ModelMaker
07-25-2006, 06:18 AM
Aw come on, you cooks don't give us judges much credit.. It's not called red BBQ sauce, it's called BBQ sauce. If all your lookin at is the same old red looking thick sauce you don't think a yellow/clear glaze isn't going to peak my interest? And when it gets to tasting, if it refreshing and different I sure wouldn't hesitate to give it it's proper score...
You get a table of receptive judges it might be a hit!!
Just my 2
ModelMaker

CharlieBeasley
07-25-2006, 08:09 AM
Hummmmm I have to think Ouch but as a nonconformist I still have to visualize the yellow as a good think? must pounder Send Beer GRiN

SmokeInDaEye
07-25-2006, 08:34 AM
Maybe there's an ingredient you can add that will give you a more traditional color without dramatically changing the flavor?

Hmmm. Not a bad thought. I had tried a tomato base originally but it tasted like some weird fruity Bobby Flay-ish catsup.

But a well flavored paprika could provide enough tint to give it a nice dark orange color. Can't add anything with too much spice since it's got a nice subtle afterburn from scotch bonnet peppers. Back to the mind lab...

The_Kapn
07-25-2006, 08:47 AM
You have received some good advice above.
I would consider whether I was there to "win" or to "have fun" in this case.
We have several threads about "pushing the limits" and you seem to feel that is what you would be doing.
I am not sure you are "way out there", but definitely sounds different.:lol:

You just need to make a decision as to your goals.
"Mainstream" entries are safer.
"Innovative" entries may score very high or very low.
In either case, you have to like and be comfortable with your entry.
Go from there.

Good luck no matter what you do.

TIM

SmokeInDaEye
07-25-2006, 10:15 AM
Thanks, Tim and everyone else. We still have a few weeks to play around.

Q_Egg
07-25-2006, 10:23 AM
Maybe there's an ingredient you can add that will give you a more traditional color without dramatically changing the flavor? If the sauce is good, it'd be worth a little experimentation to make it more visually appealing to the judges. My brain's not working too good right now, but if I think of anything, I'll post it. What other flavor elements do you have going on? ----------------------------------------------

I get in trouble everytime I stray into "COMP' territory ..... BUT .... red food coloring is used in some Tandoori chicken recipes to give a very red appearance (although the Tandoori can cook very hot vs 'low and slow'). You might try small amounts to see the effect since I doubt any impact on taste.

Just a thought.

Westexbbq
07-25-2006, 03:58 PM
This Judge certainly would not be concerned with a yellow sauce. I have used a honey mustard glaze to finish off some of my smoked chicken at home.
Also when I do my pork butt, I always try to have a mustard-based sauce on the side along with the red and vinegar based to satisfy both ends of the South traditions along with the local eastern oriented folks.
There should be no bias in my opinion on the sauce color. It sounds real good.
Good luck,
Wes

CTSmokehouse
07-26-2006, 06:38 AM
What is the consensus on a white sauce such as Big Bob Gibson's for chicken. Is that considered on the fringe or "safe". Has anybody used it in Comp? Results? I love the taste, don't mind the color (or lack of). A penny for your thoughts....

Thanks.

Yours in BBQ,

Cliff

SmokeInDaEye
07-26-2006, 08:44 AM
I've always wondered about that sauce but have yet to try it.

Found a modified recipe for it and will make a batch soon. The thought of mayo on warm meat seems a bit unnerving, though. On the other hand, if you increased the vinegar and added a shredded cabbage, I could imagine it would make a pretty mean coleslaw.

1/2 cup mayonnaise
1/4 cup vinegar
1/2 teaspoon prepared horseradish
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon black pepper
1/8 teaspoon cayenne pepper
1 tablespoon sugar
1/2 teaspoon lemon juice
2 tablespoons apple cider

voodoobbqIL
07-26-2006, 08:52 AM
I love the Gibson sauce, I have added Hungarian Smoked Paprika to is that even gives it more depth and that nifty reddish tint. I have used the mustard based stuff but only for comp. in the south east where it is widely accepted. My thought is if it is not a huge contest and you want to have some fun try something new, you might do well you might do bad. But I am pretty sure you will have fun

Sawdustguy
07-26-2006, 09:07 AM
I can't recall ever seeing Chris Lilly using white sauce in competition.

voodoobbqIL
07-26-2006, 12:11 PM
I am pretty sure they don't use it in comp. but this is sauce for poultry that made Bob Gibson a legend, story has it though that the recipe was so freely handed out, everyone in that area of Alabama uses it in their restaurants.

qman
07-26-2006, 02:42 PM
I've always wondered about that sauce but have yet to try it.

Found a modified recipe for it and will make a batch soon. The thought of mayo on warm meat seems a bit unnerving, though. On the other hand, if you increased the vinegar and added a shredded cabbage, I could imagine it would make a pretty mean coleslaw.

1/2 cup mayonnaise
1/4 cup vinegar
1/2 teaspoon prepared horseradish
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon black pepper
1/8 teaspoon cayenne pepper
1 tablespoon sugar
1/2 teaspoon lemon juice
2 tablespoons apple cider

Hey, smokeindaeye; Remember that mayo is 90% plus a vegetable oil of some kind, just in an emulsified form. No reason to shy from using it in a meat or poultry sauce or baste. The fat being in the form of mayo just helps it adhere to the meat.

SmokeInDaEye
07-26-2006, 03:42 PM
Thanks, qman. Have never considered it but am looking forward to testing it out ASAP.

- Clint

MilitantSquatter
07-26-2006, 07:26 PM
I've never tried the Gibson's white sauce or other versions of it and probably wouldn't since I hate mayo, but I do recall watching a few different pieces on the Food Network with Chris Lilly on various BBQ shows showing the stuff.

What they showed was Chris Lilly dunking hot whole chickens right off the pit into the bucket of the white sauce. Since the birds were so hot, the sauce practically cooked on the bird and in less than a minute you barely noticed the white sauce being so white.

CTSmokehouse
07-26-2006, 11:07 PM
Try the sauce. Don't pre judge it. It's a wow sauce!

Yours in BBQ,

Cliff

CarbonToe
07-27-2006, 03:50 AM
red food coloring is used in some Tandoori chicken recipes to give a very red appearance

:rolleyes:

Not when it's done properly!!!

djmarko
07-27-2006, 07:58 AM
OK, here's my 2 cents as a judge. If yellow is the way you created it then yellow is the way you should present it. Don't try to make it look like most of the other traditional sauces. As a judge I like to see something out of the ordinary, some creativity is always good. Something like your sauce would draw my attention. Try it in it's original format and see what the reactions are. Then you can go from there.

SmokeInDaEye
07-27-2006, 01:23 PM
OK, here's my 2 cents as a judge. If yellow is the way you created it then yellow is the way you should present it. Don't try to make it look like most of the other traditional sauces. As a judge I like to see something out of the ordinary, some creativity is always good. Something like your sauce would draw my attention. Try it in it's original format and see what the reactions are. Then you can go from there.

You are 100% correct. I've been watching the now heated debate on the DQ thread and, not to spill that discussion over here, I personally feel the floured chicken was inspired. The reason for any competition is to set yourself apart, through time-tested skill and, as you said, creativity.

In a show of respect for SawDustGuy, we'll definitely be entering smoked chicken with spicy/sweet YELLOW sauce in New Paltz next month. Won't really know how judges react unless we try it, huh?

- Clint

rookiedad
07-27-2006, 09:03 PM
got any photos of a practice run? i would like to take a look at it.

phil

SmokeInDaEye
07-28-2006, 08:24 AM
Sure Phil. Making a new batch tonight along with one or two other sauces and will definitely take some pictures.

- Clint