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Stoke&Smoke
01-22-2014, 10:55 AM
Just was looking at their website and it seems there are two separate, full competitions this year on the same weekend at the same site?

There are judges applications up, and cooks apps for what they are calling the Saturday contest and the Sunday contest.

Saturday contest includes an optional extra "Black Box" category over and above the main 4 meats, and Saturday will have a dessert option.

I've never heard of this being done before anywhere, although I know some have done 2 back to backs on the same weekend, but in different locations. (Except the Royal, or dual sanctioned events like Murphysboro)

I confirmed with one of the organizers that this is 2 full comps, one site, same weekend, and there's a caveat posted on the application....


IMPORTANT NOTE: To be eligible to participate in this additional contest you must compete in the regular contest which is held on Sunday May 25, 2014. There are no exceptions to this note.
Here is the great part…this contest is set at a flat entrance fee (not including side comp), regardless of the size space you have for the Sunday contest.


I'm guessing they did that so they could guarantee once you're in, you know you aren't going anywhere until Sunday after turn ins

So wondering, how many that plan to do this one will be doing both, , how many just Sunday, and why?

We're kind of on the fence right now, so curious what folks are thinking

Rich Parker
01-22-2014, 11:25 AM
I think I heard they are requiring both if you sign up from fri/sat is because the way they ate going to park people. Leaving on Sat when others are coming in would be very difficult. I know of at least 6 MI teams that plan on cooking in both events.

Stoke&Smoke
01-22-2014, 11:31 AM
First I heard of it was yesterday., And yes Rich, I'm sure you're right about getting in or leaving between Friday and Sunday.

We just never have done one like that, so not sure yet if we want to enter both or just Sunday.

Scottie
01-22-2014, 11:36 AM
It would be a nightmare trying to allow teams to pull out in the middle of a contest.. this was me requiring it and not them. I've seen too many things go wrong when you let the cooks run a contest... There have been these contesrs, especially out West. There are a few set for the Midwest this year. Time to step up and put the big boy pants on!!! Don't want MI boys think they are trying to pull a fast one on us Illini.

Let me know if you have any questions, Dan. For the record, this was my suggestion to our BBQ committee. I will take responsibility for talking them into it, whether good or bad...

Scottie
01-22-2014, 11:38 AM
I think I heard they are requiring both if you sign up from fri/sat is because the way they ate going to park people. Leaving on Sat when others are coming in would be very difficult. I know of at least 6 MI teams that plan on cooking in both events.


Are you going to bring product over to sell? The subject of security was brought up. I told them that I didn't want to lose my security detail.. :shock:

Alexa RnQ
01-22-2014, 12:11 PM
I've never heard of this being done before anywhere, although I know some have done 2 back to backs on the same weekend, but in different locations.
We've done duals/multis in the same venue before. We won two contests in one day (one KCBS, one IBCA (http://www.rhythmnque.com/2009Stagecoach/Stagecoach09.html)) and did another set of contests that were THREE contests in one weekend (Fairfield, CA '09) -- one Saturday contest, one Sunday contest, and one that was split in its categories over the two days. The turn-ins ran: SAT chicken-ribs-pork-brisket-chicken-ribs, and SUN chicken-ribs-pork-brisket-pork-brisket.

Multi-contests are a grind, no doubt, BUT they're easier than doing a double in separate locations. And anytime we can pay one set of travel expenses for two sets of scores, we consider it a good deal.

CBQ
01-22-2014, 01:15 PM
Sounds interesting, might be a good way to get in more contests without more driving, especially in northern states that have shorter seasons anyway.

Stoke&Smoke
01-22-2014, 01:25 PM
[QUOTE=Scottie;2774981]It would be a nightmare trying to allow teams to pull out in the middle of a contest.. QUOTE]

Or pull in, agreed!

Cayman1
01-22-2014, 05:37 PM
I really like this concept. Doing a comp at Buffalo Run Casino in March that has a similar format. Why not do 2 the same weekend? Makes sense to me, already there.

If it wasn't such a long pull, I'd do Westmont. Need my butt kicked by Illini, everyone else has.:wink:

2 Bones BBQ
01-22-2014, 05:47 PM
Sounds fun to me, just trying to get my mates to commit to the two..:decision:

Kave Dweller
01-23-2014, 08:00 AM
I am 90% on this one, sounds like absolute miserable fun.

sweetracks
01-23-2014, 08:49 AM
We are in for both. We have always shown up on Friday anyways. Why not do a little cooking while I'm drinking. Saves on a lot of expense of a comp...or at least fuel costs. Plus we are there and setup already. It was a no brainer for us. Can't wait!

Kave Dweller
01-23-2014, 01:07 PM
They going to let us park thursday night scottie? last year wasn't my finest hour trying to get parked in there as one of the last teams to arrive (that 45 minute ride was horrible).

Stoke&Smoke
01-23-2014, 02:39 PM
They rarely if ever allow that Corey. Just have to get in early Friday.

Wondering then if the awards for both will be Sunday. Makes sense, but last years awards ran pretty long....fortunately finishing just before the downpour!

Kave Dweller
01-23-2014, 04:11 PM
That guy does drag them along a bit.

Thought I would be fine last year but it was pretty packed by the time I got there.

Scottie
01-23-2014, 04:18 PM
If you bring a bottle of Jack, I will make sure you get parked on Thursday. 8) Thursday shouldn't be a problem. We will be laying out the spots on Wednesday, but don't hold me to anything. There were plenty of teams pulling in on Thursday last year.

If you have not learned anything about the awards. Bring an umbrella for sun or rain... and bring a well stocked cooler. Jim doesn't feel he drags on the awards... I always tell him differently...

You can always contact me Corey. For now, I still have a little pull. Not much, but a little....:-P

Ron_L
01-23-2014, 04:22 PM
Are they planning on separate awards ceremonies, one on Saturday and one on Sunday?

Scottie
01-23-2014, 04:30 PM
Let me answer with a question. Does the person that currently announce the awards like to talk?

Honestly, this is still in discussion. I suggested doing them right after the amateur awards on Saturday. Then again on Sunday. I need to know how much I will party on Saturday!!! :-P

Rich Parker
01-23-2014, 04:53 PM
Let me answer with a question. Does the person that currently announce the awards like to talk?

Honestly, this is still in discussion. I suggested doing them right after the amateur awards on Saturday. Then again on Sunday. I need to know how much I will party on Saturday!!! :-P

If he does them on Saturday he might be sick of talking enough on Sunday to rush a little. :-)

Ron_L
01-23-2014, 04:55 PM
Let me answer with a question. Does the person that currently announce the awards like to talk?

Honestly, this is still in discussion. I suggested doing them right after the amateur awards on Saturday. Then again on Sunday. I need to know how much I will party on Saturday!!! :-P

OK... Good point :becky:

The reason I asked is the typical awards time is right in the middle of when we would be doing prep work for the next competition.

Stoke&Smoke
01-23-2014, 06:22 PM
That's why I figured it'd be all Sunday? And I never remember them letting us in Thursday. Guess we didn't have the password:wink:

Scottie
01-23-2014, 07:33 PM
All you need to do is ask Dann. They always allowed teams to come early. They can't guarantee security I am sure. But the police are there.

Stoke&Smoke
01-23-2014, 07:54 PM
Hell we don't care about security. We asked last year and were told no but I'll try again this year. We got in pretty early friday last time. Helps to live close by

daveinwestmont
01-23-2014, 08:54 PM
I'm in, and will be cooking both. I know the 4 minute commute is a killer!!!!:eusa_clap

Ron_L
01-23-2014, 09:27 PM
I'm in, and will be cooking both. I know the 4 minute commute is a killer!!!!:eusa_clap

Pace yourself...

:-D

Scottie
01-23-2014, 11:01 PM
Define pace yourself... we just go over to Dave's house and go swimming.. assuming we ever leave the parking lot...

sweetracks
01-24-2014, 05:14 AM
I'd like to see awards both days. That way when I bomb the first contest I can change everything for the second to ensure that bomb that one as well :cry: I hope for my wifes sake we do decent in at least one or she might hop the train back to Grand Rapids....apparently I'm not the best travel companion after we get bad judges :wink:

Scottie
01-24-2014, 07:12 AM
I can almost 100% guarantee it will be 2 awards. I will also push hard for awards earlier on Sunday.

If teams had a choice, what is the ideal time for awards on Saturday? My guess is 5:00.

Ron_L
01-24-2014, 07:25 AM
That would work better for us, assuming that we're there :-D

Kave Dweller
01-24-2014, 07:48 AM
How are they going to do meat check in? Would suck to have to get inspected Sat morning when you got category on the grill, but waiting till after brisket on Sat could be run pretty late after 72 get inspected?

This sounds absolutely miserable, Dave being there just adds to the misery.

sweetracks
01-24-2014, 01:13 PM
5 at the latest for awards. Meat inspections would be best first thing Saturday I think. What I wouldn't want to see is someone coming around at 11 or 11:30 to check it. I'd say either before 10am or after 1:30. I have people that can handle that so I'm not too worried about that.

I hope you come over for both 9:22s :becky:

Scottie
01-24-2014, 02:04 PM
I don't think because of rules they can dobit prior to Saturday? I suggested they start at 8:00 on Saturday morning

sweetracks
01-24-2014, 02:15 PM
I would agree with not being able to do it on Friday because we could in theory start marinading or whatever before the other contestants got there. Great job with this Scottie. Love being able to add another contest without adding another trip somewhere. This will allow us to get to 10 comps for the first time this year.

Scottie
01-24-2014, 02:54 PM
I was figuring we should get mixed reviews on the concept. I also love my vacation days and each one I burn is a contest lost. While I may not have the final say (I am officially a consultant so someone doesn't say I had influce in the outcome) I do offer the best ways to treat and handle teams. Once its BBQ weekend, I take off my committee hat and let them run it. I am then in cook mode.

Kave Dweller
01-24-2014, 03:31 PM
I'm all for it, be nice if we had all 8 boxes so we could build them all at once.

Didn't your daughter use to build boxes Scottie?

Scottie
01-24-2014, 05:32 PM
Yes, they both do. They have built many 1st place and GC boxes... ;). And those weren't even for my team!!!

Scottie
01-24-2014, 05:33 PM
Boxes I will suggest for the rep. Up to them.

Ron_L
01-24-2014, 05:43 PM
I'm all for it, be nice if we had all 8 boxes so we could build them all at once.


Oh crap... 8 boxes in one weekend! :shock:

We're out...

:becky:

daveinwestmont
01-24-2014, 10:24 PM
How are they going to do meat check in? Would suck to have to get inspected Sat morning when you got category on the grill, but waiting till after brisket on Sat could be run pretty late after 72 get inspected?

This sounds absolutely miserable, Dave being there just adds to the misery.

Corey, just saw the note. Just because I'm a home town team doesn't mean you need to worry. Did I happen to mention I know all the best bars in town! :grin:

Scottie
01-25-2014, 06:56 AM
Corey, just saw the note. Just because I'm a home town team doesn't mean you need to worry. Did I happen to mention I know all the best bars in town! :grin:



Yeah, my garage....

Wampus
01-25-2014, 07:39 AM
We're planning on both too. Excited about the challenge.
I'm glad this thread was put up. Good ideas and honestly things I'd not thought of yet like meat inspection, awards & boxes.

Great contest. Since Pitmasters won't be there this year (I assume), hopefully we'll not be quite as crammed in as last year.

Scottie
01-25-2014, 08:40 AM
Its always crammed Wampus. One thing they don't really listen to me on suggestions in our committee. (Politicians on the BBQ committee and can't win against them.)

Scottie
03-27-2014, 11:47 AM
Some new updates. Remember if you have any concerns or questions, you can also send me a PM if you dont want to post here.

There are 50 teams signed up for the Sunday contest and 30+ for the Saturday contest. The number of large spots spots are selling out fast and if you need one, I would sign up now. It looks like pulling in in on Thursday May be an option, but you need to arrange with Jim. If you want to be by another team, you need to be there together. Power will not be turned on until noon on Friday, plan accordingly.

All boxes will be passed out on Friday. There will be 2 meat inspections, one Friday and one Saturday. There will also be 2 awards. They are scheduled for4:00 PM, so if they are able to get copies done, they'll go. Most copy centers are are closed on memorial day weekend. please do not plan on moving your car if you leave it on site. There will be no movement of vehicles once placed. THE SIZE OF SPOTS WILL STRICKLY BE ENFORCED!! If you have a trailer 21', plan on a larger spot. It will be enforced. Black box sounds cool, but they do not talk about it in front of me. I also want some of that $1000!!! ;)

There is more that I am forgetting about, but let me know if you have questions. We are meeting every 2 weeks now and then then we will meet weekly. So I have their ear. Remember that there politicians on the committee, so at times, my voice is silenced. I am the voice for the cooks, and that is how I want it. Trust me when I say that they are not always happy with me on some recommendations, but they respect what I am trying to do. And that is to take care of the cooks.

Kave Dweller
03-27-2014, 01:31 PM
Can you suggest Jim gets a second email that doesn't take an act of congress to allow new email address to go through.

Scottie
03-27-2014, 01:55 PM
Is Chris' email listed? If anyone needs it, send me a message. Jim is also a Trustee for Westmont, so he has village obligations as well.

Stoke&Smoke
03-27-2014, 03:42 PM
Chris' email is on the site also Scottie. I copy both of them when emailing. BTW, if anyone is coming that hasn't been before, Scottie is not lying about it being crammed. If you aren't there early and are using anything bigger than an EZ-Up, you may have trouble getting to your spot if you wait until later to get in.

Those thinking of getting there Saturday, bear in mind they will be letting the backyard folks in first in the morning, so you'd likely be better off arriving Friday (or even Thursday if they'll let you) even if you aren't cooking the Fri-Sat comp. If you don't, you'll have to wait until all the backyard folks are in.

Scottie
03-27-2014, 05:24 PM
They have a new load in procedure in place. They won't be leaving spaces open. So if you want to be next to someone, that is why you need to get there at the same time.... As for the amateurs getting preference, nothing has been decided by the committee, so that isn't necessarily correct. There is also a pro contest going on and we aren't going to let teams be driving around and backing up trailers, et al. while teams are trying to compete. We have been discussing rhe possibility of putting the Saturday arriving pro teams on the street. But again, nothing is decided. If you aren't cooking the Friday?Saturday contest, you can't pull in on Thursday.
And if you don't arrange with them ahead of time, no pulling i n on Thursday either...


Please, any questions, get a hold of me, Chris or Jim. Things are getting changed this year and hopefully it is for the better.

Rookie'48
03-28-2014, 01:41 AM
Hey Scottie, are there any RV parks close to the comp site? Not making any plans yet, just askin' :roll:.

Scottie
03-28-2014, 06:49 AM
My driveway... that's about it, Dave.

Ron_L
03-28-2014, 08:32 AM
Hey Scottie, are there any RV parks close to the comp site? Not making any plans yet, just askin' :roll:.

This is probably the closest, Dave, but it's not that close. Probably 45 minutes.

http://www.kaneforest.com/ForestPreserveView.aspx?ID=11

Bill-Chicago
03-28-2014, 09:20 AM
This is probably the closest, Dave, but it's not that close. Probably 45 minutes.

http://www.kaneforest.com/ForestPreserveView.aspx?ID=11

Blackwell is a "little" closer, but you'll need a permit and that weekend, probably pretty busy.
http://www.dupageforest.com/Recreation/Activities_and_Facilities/Camping.aspx?ekfrm=339


Edit: I took out Glen Ellyn and Darien locations, as that looks like non-RV which wasnt what the question was.


(Ron, move to Dupage, you'll love it here!)

Ron_L
03-28-2014, 09:38 AM
Good catch, Bill! I didn't know that Blackwell had rv sites. I thought it was all tent camping.

Scottie
03-28-2014, 10:20 AM
See, I told ya my driveway was the closest! Fresh eggs as well. Real country living...

Kave Dweller
03-28-2014, 10:28 AM
My driveway... that's about it, Dave.

You got a pool or a pond over by your place?

Scottie
03-28-2014, 11:16 AM
DesPlaines River for you.

Rich Parker
03-28-2014, 12:21 PM
Thursday night we are headed to Pappadeaux's (http://pappadeaux.com/home/)

Scottie
03-28-2014, 01:03 PM
Thursday night we are headed to Pappadeaux's (http://pappadeaux.com/home/)



I'll warn them... there goes the neighborhood.

Is Mark bringing his aicraft carrier again?

Rich Parker
03-28-2014, 04:19 PM
I'll warn them... there goes the neighborhood.

Is Mark bringing his aicraft carrier again?

He won't leave home without it. He wants to know if you can keep the drunks from backing in to it this year. :heh:

Scottie
03-28-2014, 05:36 PM
He won't leave home without it. He wants to know if you can keep the drunks from backing in to it this year. :heh:



Drunks? Wasn't that him? :-P