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sdbbq1234
01-08-2014, 08:33 PM
Ok, so I should know this, or have a good idea, but I don't pay attention most of the time (ADHD).

For comps that have People Choice awards and they ask you to provide at least 25lbs pork, how many butts does that equate to if each butt is, say, 10lbs uncooked?

Just looking for an estimate.

Thanks.

wallace

Jason TQ
01-08-2014, 09:08 PM
50% yield so 5 butts. You have to provide the meat for people's choice??

Pole D
01-08-2014, 09:09 PM
I just a newbie at comps (2 seasons) but every one I've competed in the organizer provided the meat for people's choice.

To answer your question, if I was aiming to get 25lbs cook q I'd go with 5 - 10lb butts.

Rub
01-08-2014, 09:44 PM
Yep, figure 50% loss/yield.

sdbbq1234
01-08-2014, 10:15 PM
Thanks. Man, I didn't realize the difference before and after. Again, I never really even considered it.

And yes, a lot of the comps up here in the Mid-Atlantic area are asking for the competitors to "provide at least 25lbs pork" for the people's choice. Not that I have an over abundance of cooking area (1 - BWS Fat Boy and 1 - WSM 22"), but I do remember Big Ugly telling me to hold on the the UDS smokers I had. He never told me why, but, I think they might come in handy for the people choice award stuff.

Not that I am one to really go all out with the "people's choice" stuff, but it seems like the people attending want to get a taste of the competitions product. And maybe, just maybe, if there are more folks pitching in on the people choice stuff, the folks attending will be more pleased in that they were able to sample competiton BBQ.

Thanks!

wallace

Just Smokin' Around
01-08-2014, 11:22 PM
Thanks. Man, I didn't realize the difference before and after. Again, I never really even considered it.

And yes, a lot of the comps up here in the Mid-Atlantic area are asking for the competitors to "provide at least 25lbs pork" for the people's choice. Not that I have an over abundance of cooking area (1 - BWS Fat Boy and 1 - WSM 22"), but I do remember Big Ugly telling me to hold on the the UDS smokers I had. He never told me why, but, I think they might come in handy for the people choice award stuff.

Not that I am one to really go all out with the "people's choice" stuff, but it seems like the people attending want to get a taste of the competitions product. And maybe, just maybe, if there are more folks pitching in on the people choice stuff, the folks attending will be more pleased in that they were able to sample competiton BBQ.

Thanks!

wallace

I stay away from the people's choice where I have to supply the meat. There are only a few in the mid-Atlantic I know that do that. One actually charges you more to enter if you don't do people's choice. So, I don't cook that contest. Some, you don't have to do it, so I don't if I have to buy, cook, prep and donate 5 butts. There are a growing number of contests around here. You have choices.

I have no problem cooking it if they give me a couple of butts to cook.

cpw
01-09-2014, 07:59 AM
Thanks. Man, I didn't realize the difference before and after. Again, I never really even considered it.

And yes, a lot of the comps up here in the Mid-Atlantic area are asking for the competitors to "provide at least 25lbs pork" for the people's choice. Not that I have an over abundance of cooking area (1 - BWS Fat Boy and 1 - WSM 22"), but I do remember Big Ugly telling me to hold on the the UDS smokers I had. He never told me why, but, I think they might come in handy for the people choice award stuff.

Not that I am one to really go all out with the "people's choice" stuff, but it seems like the people attending want to get a taste of the competitions product. And maybe, just maybe, if there are more folks pitching in on the people choice stuff, the folks attending will be more pleased in that they were able to sample competiton BBQ.

Thanks!

wallace

Make sure to find out how they are judging the people's choice too...If it's not some sort of blind judging, you won't have any chance to win against the local teams (unless you're local) because they'll be able to tell all their local friends to come and vote for them.

Personally, I wouldn't even consider cooking people's choice if I had to supply my own meat. There's way too many other things to pay attention to.

gmholler
01-09-2014, 08:19 AM
Make sure to find out how they are judging the people's choice too...If it's not some sort of blind judging, you won't have any chance to win against the local teams (unless you're local) because they'll be able to tell all their local friends to come and vote for them.


I really, really wish more cookers would pay attention to how the judging for People's Choice will be done - because I've seen what you're saying happen - for several years. Found out that one team competing in PC at a contest had told their employees (a few hundred of them) that if they wanted to keep their jobs, they'd best show up and vote for the company team's BBQ. The contest organizer kept saying she'd wouldn't let that team compete again, but never stopped them. They won every year.

Best method I've seen for judging PC involved the participants bringing their product to a tent - like the same kind of container for each, all the product looking the same (nothing fancy) - and letting the "judges" (the public) sample each.

Lynn.

CBQ
01-09-2014, 09:06 AM
RI last year had a wings contest. The public viewed it as "all the wings you can eat for $5" and piled their plate high with the wings from roughly the 25 teams that entered the event. There was no way they could tell who cooked what.

Probably good for me, since we won that. :becky: It was all about the sales pitch, and volume. The contest provided 10 pounds of wings. We made 50. Expect this kind of stuff to happen in people's choice. In the Troy, NY contest people have pooled ribs from different teams together to gain a volume advantage. People's Choice is normally not a fair contest, which is why most teams avoid them.

(Yes, making 50 pounds was within the rules. We let the organizer know we were going to do that ahead of time. If they are asking for 25 pounds of pork, consider that someone might cook 100.)

trohrs123
01-09-2014, 10:35 AM
We used to do a Hell's Angels sponsored peoples choice chili contest here on Long Island. Fun event but had to re evaluate entering again when the motorcycle "club" that won the peoples choice didn't show up to cook chili...they had no entry but still won because all of their members, friends family showed up to vote for them. :doh:

Hawg Father of Seoul
01-09-2014, 10:46 AM
We have ended up 2nd place to a team that had a $5,000 budget. It was bitter sweet.

We have also won a lot of money cooking PC with and without blind judging. So can't really complain.

jeffry1970
01-09-2014, 11:08 AM
From a event organizers perspective the peoples choice can only help the event. As stated before it's a way for the public to sample some bbq which will only attract people, help the vendors and make the event successful.

Fat Freddy
01-09-2014, 11:26 AM
In the last 2 years we have had mixed results in terms of peoples choice that does leave a lot to question. And for the most part if something is in question why do it at all? We have won a PC in pork loin. Wasnt our best pork loin but had enough of Mr. Arnolds sauce and our "personalities" that we won. Big issue we had is that we were supposed to cook "X" amount of furnished loins but it ended up being more. But we only have limited space so of the 2 categories(loins and bird) we ended up only prioritizing one. It was a gamble we took and it paid off.

At another contest we did required PC and did not win, dont know where we finished because only top 2 were called. Our issue was not that we were not in top 2. Our issue was the team that won was kids that said they did all the cooking. Their parents team is one of the best teams in KCBS so maybe these kids were indeed good, but what got us was the numbers of people coming to our space, right across the walkway asking for our sauce(BH) to add to the kids stuff. Telling us they were going to vote for the kids because it was kids, but yet needing to add OUR sauce. Then the team that finished 2nd didnt want to do PC so hired "ringers". The team cooked but didnt serve had these girls serving, by the way this contest was at a lake so you can probably figure what the "ringers" were wearing.....The top 2 teams may have actually been the best but things just seemed not right.

We also had done a PC at a casino up here 2 years in a row. 1st year the team that won PC was a team set up soon as you walked in to area, sponsored by the casino, and the team members worked for the casino hmmmm. The next year a new local team won that in the regular contest finished DAL in every category but yet won the PC with over 90% of the vote. It was found out that they were paying people to come out and vote for them(paying peoples entry into the PC or a portion I have heard 2 different stories). When the casino was confronted about it on Facebook, they, casino, admitted on FB that is what happened but no rules were broken so nothing wrong with it.... That contest(unsanctioned) went from 63 teams to 28 this year if that says anything.

My wife enjoys doing PC and so I usually go with it but if Health departments dont chill out on PC(they make it harder and harder). Or if there doesnt start being more blind judging on PC, I am really going to argue with the wife that i just dont want to do them any more.

rlncookinbbq
01-09-2014, 11:31 AM
Its most times a popularity contest.

Lake Dogs
01-09-2014, 11:54 AM
Make sure to find out how they are judging the people's choice too...If it's not some sort of blind judging, you won't have any chance to win against the local teams (unless you're local) because they'll be able to tell all their local friends to come and vote for them.

Personally, I wouldn't even consider cooking people's choice if I had to supply my own meat. There's way too many other things to pay attention to.

I used to really enjoy competing in Peoples Choice, but of all the tropies I have, I have more 2nd place trophies in PC; because we weren't "local"... The novelty of this for me has worn off. IF we compete in PC now it's always completely blind, and then only if the meat is supplied...

ckelly
01-09-2014, 12:41 PM
from my pov:

sampling draws crowds
crowds draw sponsors
sponors give money
money draws more teams
more teams creates higher paying events

Lake Dogs
01-09-2014, 02:08 PM
from my pov:

sampling draws crowds Yep. Worse, if must endure the wonderful smells but can't sample, this'll tick people off, fast.

crowds draw sponsors Perhaps. However, people mean money either way.

sponors give money Perhaps.

money draws more teams Not necessarily. I know of a contest with over $13,000 payout that has a tough time drawing more than 15 teams...

more teams creates higher paying events See above, not necessarily.

The problem is that if you're competing just to have a fun time, then by all means do Peoples Choice. However, if you compete to compete, then I suggest only doing the PC that is blind. Yes, some are blind. For example, one of the competitions poineered an approach about 10 years ago where PC was turned in, people then paid $5 to sample from the blind choices and voted on their favorite. They sold out in 20 minutes....

MikeJ65
01-09-2014, 03:36 PM
I normally try to do PC, just to help out whatever organization is running the contest. Meat is almost always provided around here. The only one I wouldn't do again was one where about 12 teams each cooked around 80 wings and they limited ticket sales to the first 50. The guys next to us had about 30 friends get tickets and somehow they ended up winning.

Other than that one, they seem to be big enough around here that it doesn't come down to how many friends you have show up. I actually prefer serving at our site as opposed to blind because you get to interact with the public and be a bit of a BBQ ambassador.

Fat Freddy
01-09-2014, 03:52 PM
I normally try to do PC, just to help out whatever organization is running the contest. Meat is almost always provided around here. The only one I wouldn't do again was one where about 12 teams each cooked around 80 wings and they limited ticket sales to the first 50. The guys next to us had about 30 friends get tickets and somehow they ended up winning.

Other than that one, they seem to be big enough around here that it doesn't come down to how many friends you have show up. I actually prefer serving at our site as opposed to blind because you get to interact with the public and be a bit of a BBQ ambassador.

A solution that I would definitely be in favor of would be a blind judging of PC. Say something like a foil pan of whatever meat. The public could pay whatever amount go into a tent pick favorite. Then allow public sampling. Everyone has to hand out samples but the only PC meat is what is in tent. Seems the most fair for PC. Public still voting on their favorite and Public still able to sample........I have no solution for health department issues though.

MikeJ65
01-09-2014, 04:17 PM
We did one this year that was celebrity blind box judging combined with voting. It kind of prevents someone from winning with awful food and a lot of friends. We won pork loin at that one, winning both the judging and the vote.

Bourbon Barrel BBQ
01-09-2014, 07:34 PM
Ok, so I should know this, or have a good idea, but I don't pay attention most of the time (ADHD).

For comps that have People Choice awards and they ask you to provide at least 25lbs pork, how many butts does that equate to if each butt is, say, 10lbs uncooked?

Just looking for an estimate.

Thanks.

wallace

If an organizer is asking you to cook 25lbs of pork for PC you are being taken advantage of.

sdbbq1234
01-09-2014, 08:41 PM
Wow! If I hadn't learned by all the other threads over the years, you guys comments about "how the actual judging is done" is worth it's weight, in pork!! :thumb:

Something I completely forgot about asking the organizer BEFORE I say yes, we will be a part of the people's choice. If it is a true blind judging contest, I will probably give it a whirl for a time or two, even at my own expense.

Again, very good info here!

wallace

CBQ
01-10-2014, 12:33 AM
The team cooked but didnt serve had these girls serving, by the way this contest was at a lake so you can probably figure what the "ringers" were wearing......

I have no idea. If there are no pictures it didn't happen!

When the casino was confronted about it on Facebook, they, casino, admitted on FB that is what happened but no rules were broken so nothing wrong with it....

That's also a pretty common practice in People's Choice, and most of the time the organizers are just fine with it because it sells tickets. You should cook People's Choice because:
A) You think it's fun
B) It's for a charity you want to support
C) You like to gamble
Don't cook it because you think it's an honest evaluation of your cooking skills. For all of the complaining we like to do on here about judging and the possible flaws in the KCBS process, it's head and shoulders above what goes in in People's Choice, and a good reminder of the true value of a double blind judging system.

swamprb
01-10-2014, 08:21 AM
from my pov:

sampling draws crowds Yep. Worse, if must endure the wonderful smells but can't sample, this'll tick people off, fast.

crowds draw sponsors Perhaps. However, people mean money either way.

sponors give money Perhaps.

money draws more teams Not necessarily. I know of a contest with over $13,000 payout that has a tough time drawing more than 15 teams...

more teams creates higher paying events See above, not necessarily.

The problem is that if you're competing just to have a fun time, then by all means do Peoples Choice. However, if you compete to compete, then I suggest only doing the PC that is blind. Yes, some are blind. For example, one of the competitions poineered an approach about 10 years ago where PC was turned in, people then paid $5 to sample from the blind choices and voted on their favorite. They sold out in 20 minutes....


another problem is a lot of teams do not have the real estate to cook an extra 25lbs of meat and try to do their comp meats as well.

El Guapo
01-10-2014, 08:42 PM
Wallace,

I just entered the same comp you are talking about today. Checked with the organizer and PC is not blind.

We are still likely going to do it. I am bringing a few guys with me that I can just park at a table at our site for an hour (organizer said it will likely only run 45 minutes - either that means big crowds or not many suckers, I mean folks, participating in the PC). I expect a local team to stack the deck with friends and family as I have seen at other comps, but we have done OK in these in the past simply by slinging the best BS that day to the crowd, so we shall see.

EverettBBQ
01-10-2014, 09:23 PM
When we do peoples choice, I am just having fun:laugh::laugh:
Cook it, turn it in, and get your game on with the real contest:cool:
:-o

sdbbq1234
01-10-2014, 11:33 PM
Wallace,

I just entered the same comp you are talking about today. Checked with the organizer and PC is not blind.

We are still likely going to do it. I am bringing a few guys with me that I can just park at a table at our site for an hour (organizer said it will likely only run 45 minutes - either that means big crowds or not many suckers, I mean folks, participating in the PC). I expect a local team to stack the deck with friends and family as I have seen at other comps, but we have done OK in these in the past simply by slinging the best BS that day to the crowd, so we shall see.

Great info! And after seeing another comp (our first) last year that had people come to your site and serve, I'm out as it is usually the wifey and me. I am worn out after a comp.

Thanks for getting the info!!!

wallace

butt head
01-11-2014, 12:14 PM
From a event organizers perspective the peoples choice can only help the event. As stated before it's a way for the public to sample some bbq which will only attract people, help the vendors and make the event successful.
If your thinking of adding pc to queforthetroops maybe you could get the troops involved. Get some to help each team hand out samples at their spots, that would solve some of the teams shorthanded problems.

Just Smokin' Around
01-13-2014, 11:04 PM
If an organizer is asking you to cook 25lbs of pork for PC you are being taken advantage of.

Short answer is yes, IMHO. That's probably 4 butts. More if you want 25 pounds cooked. Even if they supply the meat, that's a lot of cooker space, time, material and effort. For a small team, that takes too much time away for the real reason you're there.

If an organizer gives me a butt or two and asks to cook it for PC where I can turn it in and they serve it elsewhere selling tickets, I'm all for it. I don't do it expecting to win. Let folks bring in all their friends, pay the money and vote for their guy. It's for a good cause, usually.

I'm not going to spend $60+ on pork butts, prep, cook and serve it, or even turn that much in. I don't have the space nor the people to server from my site. We're a team of 2. If I want to do the contest, I'll pay the extra entry fee. But, I'll usually just pass on the contest.

Crash
01-14-2014, 04:16 AM
PC, IMO, is a popularity contest. It was in AZ, CA and also now in HI (where we currently compete). Local teams and those with the most fan support almost always do better.

If you are gaining no financial benefit for cooking PC, I'd pass. As always, just one dude's opinion.

cpw
01-14-2014, 08:00 AM
Just got the application for the Boss Hog Cookoff in Waynesboro, GA. We did this event last year and peoples choice was a local popularity contest. This year the organizers decided to do 2 categories: local teams and away teams. It's still a popularity contest, but at least it may help even the field out a little.

TooSaucedToPork
01-14-2014, 08:40 AM
I used to be ambivalent about People’s Choice, but in light of the recent Bubble of late (contests folding nationwide) I am a changed man and pro People’s Choice.

We as competitors have the ability to build the fan base of our sport thru direct contact and participation of that fan base. Unlike many other events and sports out there; NASCAR, Football, Basketball, Lacrosse, Hockey, Drag Racing, etc., we have the ability to directly influence and include BBQ fans in our sport. People get bored just walking around and looking, they want the fresh smoked love you got in your cooker.

We all have to ask ourselves what we want the future of BBQ to look like. The Old Days with few and far between contests where we battled for less prize money…

OR now: Where crowds of people are willing to PAY to come and watch you cook. Sponsors are willing to PAY organizers because people PAY to come see you cook. Organizers are able to award MORE prize money because sponsors PAY them to advertise to the people that PAY to see us cook. As long as you entertain them, the people will come. Sponsors will pull out of an event with WHAT THEY DEEM as poor attendance. If all contests start gaining the stigma of Fan UN-friendly, where do you think the sport will be in 3 years.

Think of People’s Choice as an investment in the future of BBQ. Hey, there’s always a chance to win right! Keep the fans happy, and you will be happy when there is a contest to come back to next year.

Alexa RnQ
01-14-2014, 09:00 AM
Sounds great in theory, but when all we've got is two old, fat and very tired people and a couple of WSMs, it's just not going to happen.

TooSaucedToPork
01-14-2014, 09:04 AM
25 pounds???

What are all the teams giving away a sammich each?

At Memphis in May (100,000 people) we could only turn in 4 butts each...how many people they expecting and what are that using the extra for???

Patrickkva
01-14-2014, 11:30 AM
Thanks. Man, I didn't realize the difference before and after. Again, I never really even considered it.

And yes, a lot of the comps up here in the Mid-Atlantic area are asking for the competitors to "provide at least 25lbs pork" for the people's choice. Not that I have an over abundance of cooking area (1 - BWS Fat Boy and 1 - WSM 22"), but I do remember Big Ugly telling me to hold on the the UDS smokers I had. He never told me why, but, I think they might come in handy for the people choice award stuff.

Not that I am one to really go all out with the "people's choice" stuff, but it seems like the people attending want to get a taste of the competitions product. And maybe, just maybe, if there are more folks pitching in on the people choice stuff, the folks attending will be more pleased in that they were able to sample competiton BBQ.

Thanks!

wallace

Make sure you get a Pork Puller! Sanitized 5-Gallon bucket + boneless pork + Pork Puller = no problemo. Especially 25lbs! That's how we did Fredericksburg last year. Now filling all those tiny sample cups :evil:

Lake Dogs
01-14-2014, 02:20 PM
I used to be ambivalent about People’s Choice, but in light of the recent Bubble of late (contests folding nationwide) I am a changed man and pro People’s Choice.

We as competitors have the ability to build the fan base of our sport thru direct contact and participation of that fan base. Unlike many other events and sports out there; NASCAR, Football, Basketball, Lacrosse, Hockey, Drag Racing, etc., we have the ability to directly influence and include BBQ fans in our sport. People get bored just walking around and looking, they want the fresh smoked love you got in your cooker.

We all have to ask ourselves what we want the future of BBQ to look like. The Old Days with few and far between contests where we battled for less prize money…

OR now: Where crowds of people are willing to PAY to come and watch you cook. Sponsors are willing to PAY organizers because people PAY to come see you cook. Organizers are able to award MORE prize money because sponsors PAY them to advertise to the people that PAY to see us cook. As long as you entertain them, the people will come. Sponsors will pull out of an event with WHAT THEY DEEM as poor attendance. If all contests start gaining the stigma of Fan UN-friendly, where do you think the sport will be in 3 years.

Think of People’s Choice as an investment in the future of BBQ. Hey, there’s always a chance to win right! Keep the fans happy, and you will be happy when there is a contest to come back to next year.


Your point above is a bit aside, but none-the-less spot on. BTW, same goes for chili contests.

There's nothing worse as a spectator than having to smell this wonderful food and not be able to sample it. A venue will go from a large crowd to a small one fast this way. I've seen it first hand.

There are two basic ways for event sponsors to do this. One, where the BBQ is handed out by each team definitely favors the home team(s), particularly if they can get their local fan base to attend. Notice, attendance. That's key to the event success.

The other way is blind, where each team turns in usually 1 or 2 cooked and pulled butts and someone sells plates usually with 4 samples on it, the person judging votes for which of the 4 they like the best.

The second approach (above) tends to get more competitors involved and has a broader appeal to the whole crowd. I will tell you though, it doesn't have the crowd interacting with teams (can be good, can be bad) and where we're located these tend to sell out within an hour.

From a competitors perspective (one who does both BBQ and chili cookoffs), I really dont have the time in BBQ to work peoples choice if it's not blind. Chili, just the opposite. We have great fun working crowds.


For us, we tend to do it mainly to support the organizer and hopefully the overall competitions.

That said, someone asking me to purchase probably 5 or even 6 butts for this, I think they've gone overboard. 1 or 2, sure. Also, normally around here, the butts are supplied (if you want them) by the organizer.

tduffy
01-14-2014, 04:16 PM
I refuse to compete in any peoples choice contest where the meat isn't provided and even if it is I don't do it very often. It's either a deal where the locals win or someone bribes a bunch of people to show up and vote.

PeppermonkeyBBQ
01-14-2014, 05:49 PM
Wow! If I hadn't learned by all the other threads over the years, you guys comments about "how the actual judging is done" is worth it's weight, in pork!! :thumb:

Something I completely forgot about asking the organizer BEFORE I say yes, we will be a part of the people's choice. If it is a true blind judging contest, I will probably give it a whirl for a time or two, even at my own expense.

Again, very good info here!

wallace

Wallace!! Getting geared up for 2014 I hope! This is an interesting thread. We are pro peoples choice; but find ourselves doing less and less of them. Hand me pork, a pan with a number, and tell me when you are picking it up to take it to a blind judging tent which the public can partake and I'm all in. Ask me to serve it from my camp, I'm out. Supply my own meat, usually I'm out. Force me to arm wrestle with the VA health department about whether or not the top drawer of a rolling Tupperware bin qualifies as "6 inches off the ground" and I'm out.

I think PC is a great way to keep the public interested. If organizers would listen to the cooks there could be successful PC at every event. I wouldn't put the effort into winning a popularity contest even if it was in my own back yard, so unfortunately we opt out of most of them.

sdbbq1234
01-14-2014, 07:18 PM
Wallace!! Getting geared up for 2014 I hope! This is an interesting thread. We are pro peoples choice; but find ourselves doing less and less of them. Hand me pork, a pan with a number, and tell me when you are picking it up to take it to a blind judging tent which the public can partake and I'm all in. Ask me to serve it from my camp, I'm out. Supply my own meat, usually I'm out. Force me to arm wrestle with the VA health department about whether or not the top drawer of a rolling Tupperware bin qualifies as "6 inches off the ground" and I'm out.

I think PC is a great way to keep the public interested. If organizers would listen to the cooks there could be successful PC at every event. I wouldn't put the effort into winning a popularity contest even if it was in my own back yard, so unfortunately we opt out of most of them.


Peppermonkey team!!!
:thumb: yep, getting ready for this year. BTW, we are getting ready to order our "Bat-Mobile, Battle Wagon"! Wish us luck there.

As for the PC, you guys are the perfect example I was going to mention but didn't want to name you guys in particular. After watching you all dish out everything except the kitchen sink (and if memory serves me right, I think you also were giving away BBQ tools after you ran out of every piece of food within 50' of your place at the Smokin' On The Track comp. That was our first comp and I remember saying to Sandy, WOW, those guys almost have a riot going on over there!

I am sorry to say, but I signed us up for PC at the BBQ Jamboree. PC done at your table. I did not even think about asking what method the PC was going to be until AFTER I sent in the application. I am going to call the organizer here in the next few days and tell them I need to back out, that is unless we somehow get a few people to help us. I am not counting on that.

Also, just for everyone else's info, I did contact Sandy with the Delaware Triple Threat event. She said they are supplying the pork butts, will pick up from your site and blind judging is done. She is sending me the official info and health dept. info.

Looking forward to seeing you guys!

wallace

BogsBBQ
01-15-2014, 10:00 AM
I mentioned this at last year's KCBS organizer's meeting, but it didn't seem to generate much interest from most of the KCBS folks...

Most PC contests are a complete joke, for all of the reasons listed by others here. I think most organizers simply don't have any idea that they are running PC contests that aren't fair to the competitors. Their main goal is to get people through the gates and make them happy once their are in, so they don't put a lot of thought into the rules. It would be very easy for KCBS to put together some guidelines for running PC contests and send those to organizers if they are interested. I'm not saying that KCBS needs to necessarily "rep" the PC contest, but even providing guidelines on how to run a fair contest would be helpful. And yes I know there are other sanctioning bodies our there, but KCBS is the biggest in my area.

There is no way we will do the Rhode Island PC contest again, unless they change the rules. I'm all for supporting contests by cooking PC, and the RI KCBS contest is one of our favorites but that PC was just silly. Waste of time and money. I could be watching the canon lady instead.

bbqczar
01-15-2014, 12:40 PM
From what I'm reading PC is different forms depending on the part of the country and the organizer.Around Arizona and some in California we have done PC and what happens is people buy PC tickets for $2 each and they go around to the teams doing PC and for each ticket you get a 2 oz. sample in a small sample cup.The teams doing PC collect the tickets and turns them in at awards and $1 goes to the team and the other $1 goes to the charity, or charities, that the organizer is supporting,that way the charity wins and the public gets something as well.We have done some big PC events with just some family and friends helping and have made over $300 for a few hrs. work and again,it is helping a charity and it also is helping to insure that the contest returns again the next year.We just use the meat we don't turn in and sometimes we cook a few extra butts,nothing outrageous,and it's not alot of work and again gives to charity.I think if it's for charity,most teams should be willing to give back,or as they say,pay it forward,but that's just what our teams thinks,we like meeting people,and makes a few $$ to offset comp cost's.Just my .02 on the subject.

MAP
01-15-2014, 02:47 PM
At Southern Maryland Brew & BBQ You will be given 3 butts by me. At 1400 you will turn cooked pork, the way you want it served in numbered pans provided by us. My team will give out the samples in a seperate building and ensue people vote befor leaving the building.

Gowan
01-15-2014, 07:17 PM
In Georgia, People's Choice has become fairly standardized, at least within the scope of KCBS/GBC events. Meat provided, blind presentation in a sampling tent and voting limited to paid samplers only so teams cannot sway the vote.

While PC may still not be considered "a real contest", many cook teams here do it as a way to support the organizer. I know of a couple cooks who have figured out what it takes to be successful at PC and score with it fairly consistently. It also makes it easier to deal with the public when they ask for a taste - you simply direct them to the PC tent.