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Jeff_in_KC
05-21-2006, 10:33 PM
OK who all is in? With the teams in the line up at Oklahoma Joe's this weekend, and the size of this thing, it looks like incredibly tough competition. I have no delusions of walking here BUT I was just thinking as I cleaned equipment and re-packed this afternoon that while I love the smaller contests, something like this truly is a great chance to see just how well you stack up against the big boys (and girls). My wife said we'd just go and give it our "A" effort and see what happens. I said "Fark yeah!" Party AFTER the last turn-in! :wink:

River City Smokehouse
05-21-2006, 11:16 PM
Sounds like Party and free beer at Jeff's spot!
I am there Friday morning! Spot #386 Gonna kick it up~! I got the BBQ Guru installed today and ready for action. This baby is swwweeeeet! Had some welding done to her today and lit her up. 2 1/2 hrs with 3 sticks of wood! That may not sound like much but I got a lot of space to heat up.
See ya there Jeff and all!

HoDeDo
05-21-2006, 11:36 PM
Sounds like Party and free beer at Jeff's spot!
I am there Friday morning! Spot #386 Gonna kick it up~! I got the BBQ Guru installed today and ready for action. This baby is swwweeeeet! Had some welding done to her today and lit her up. 2 1/2 hrs with 3 sticks of wood! That may not sound like much but I got a lot of space to heat up.
See ya there Jeff and all!

Wow man - 2 1/2 hours with only 3 sticks??? That is killer for you rig!!! (And it is a NICE rig...)

you will be gettin sleep!!

Jeff_in_KC
05-22-2006, 07:59 AM
Forgot to mention... we're in 551, hopefully a little farther away from all the crowd and the carnival midway, etc. Will be in on Thursday late afternoon. Guessing around 3pm.

Yeah, Jim, that cooker kicks! Very nice piece of equipment! Do you know where you finished at OKJ?

HoDeDo
05-22-2006, 06:49 PM
I'll be making rounds too.... looking forward to meeting folks I haven't yet met.

Jim- I will let you know when I get a line on the scores, and see if you have them yet. I think we were 28th overall, and 13th in chicken. don't remember the rest.....

Jeff_in_KC
05-27-2006, 10:53 PM
Ouch! That hurt! Gentlemen, I will be the first to say that I got my arse handed to me this weekend! Part of it was the incredible competition who was entered. The rest was that for some reason, my head wasn't in it and I screwed the pooch big time. I didn't party (I think I only had a six pack the entire time there) but things just didn't go right, from the beginning when I showed up to find my site wasn't where it was supposed to be to the ending disappointment of not getting called in 15 places in four categories. Check it out: last contest, I put my pork on at 8:30 pm Friday night. It wasn't done til around 10:30 or 11 am on saturday. This time I put 'em on at 9:30 pm Friday (an hour later)... and the farkers were DONE as done could be at 7:30 AM this morning!! Tried to keep this warm without drying out. No chance! I meant to slice one but both were overdone. Ended up chopping it and doctoring up with lots of apple juice and Blues Hog regular. It sucked. Bad. Brisket I thought was dry. And I had no second choice because my other brisket was dry and hard as month old cow chit in an August pasture! I forgot it as turn in's started and by then, it was too late. My chicken I overdid it in browning the skin and it looked a bit bad. The toothpicks didn't do their job and hold shape to the thighs and the skin pulled up like farking postage stamps on a few of the best sized ones. My ribs, I was happy with and thought we had a slim shot for something like 15th there. Didn't happen. Three of the four turn-in's, my wife made it with less than a minute to go. We were stressed. Guess my new Gun's N Roses CD isn't going to work for turn-in time music.

On a positive note, we had about 25 family and friends over on Friday night for dinner at our site. I thought that would distract me from my job but it really didn't.

Also positive, I got to meet Myron Mixon and his right hand man, Nick. Jack's Old South all came running over to my site Thursday afternoon when a big ol' gust of wind grabbed my canopy and shoved it about 15-20 feet back across the parking lot while I was trying to set up. They helped me get it back in place and stabilized. Real good folks they are. I invited them here to the Brethren site by the way. I hope they come by. Nick is funny as hell, a great BBQ cook and a damned nice guy. We kinda hit it off and he brought me over a sample of all four categories they turned in. Great stuff. I felt honored to be sampling their work! Nick also offered up a great bunch of tips and tricks to us during the course of the last 48 hours that I will definitely use... when my head's back in the game, dang it!

If I recall, the only Brethren to walk in the Open was Rod.

It was hot as hell and windy but an incredibly well run contest. The volunteers on golf carts were contantly there asking "Is everthing ok?" or "Do you need ice or water?" "Can we help you with anything?" etc. It was unlike anything I've seen or heard of. Quite a huge contrast to the Royal. Congrats and thanks to the GAB committee for an oustanding event and congrats to all the winners.

Solidkick
05-28-2006, 07:33 AM
WTG Mark and Becky! GC in The GAB and the Royal is impressive....

Now, what really impresses me just a little more.......Rod (Pellet Envy, known here as KCPellethead) won the GC of the invitational on his FE, then used his new Geer pit in the open and finished 8th......the man can cook!

chad
05-28-2006, 07:42 AM
Jeff;

Sometimes you eat the bear...and sometimes the bear eats you!! :eek:

Having a "not so good" weekend (disasters are different!!) has always been educational for me...after I get over blaming the judges, etc. :-D Tim and I have a routine whether we win, lose, draw, or wonder what the heck are we doing here...we sit around drinking a beer or two, in the dark, not saying a word; then we say something like "that sucked"; then we get some sleep!! The next day we start the post-mortem over breakfast - but not before a pot or three of coffee.

We've learned valuable lessons from each and every outing. One thing you are definately in the middle of is learning time management with your new cooker. It'll come!!

I'm glad you got to meet Myron and the others from Jack's Old South. They are good people. I got to know Myron and David Hare fairly well last year and regard them pretty highly. Tasting their product is educational.

Just like in sports, you have to do the evaluation and then shake off the "last game" and get ready for the next.

scottyd
05-28-2006, 08:41 AM
Ouch! That hurt! Gentlemen, I will be the first to say that I got my arse handed to me this weekend! Part of it was the incredible competition who was entered. The rest was that for some reason, my head wasn't in it and I screwed the pooch big time. I didn't party (I think I only had a six pack the entire time there) but things just didn't go right, from the beginning when I showed up to find my site wasn't where it was supposed to be to the ending disappointment of not getting called in 15 places in four categories. Check it out: last contest, I put my pork on at 8:30 pm Friday night. It wasn't done til around 10:30 or 11 am on saturday. This time I put 'em on at 9:30 pm Friday (an hour later)... and the farkers were DONE as done could be at 7:30 AM this morning!! Tried to keep this warm without drying out. No chance! I meant to slice one but both were overdone. Ended up chopping it and doctoring up with lots of apple juice and Blues Hog regular. It sucked. Bad. Brisket I thought was dry. And I had no second choice because my other brisket was dry and hard as month old cow chit in an August pasture! I forgot it as turn in's started and by then, it was too late. My chicken I overdid it in browning the skin and it looked a bit bad. The toothpicks didn't do their job and hold shape to the thighs and the skin pulled up like farking postage stamps on a few of the best sized ones. My ribs, I was happy with and thought we had a slim shot for something like 15th there. Didn't happen. Three of the four turn-in's, my wife made it with less than a minute to go. We were stressed. Guess my new Gun's N Roses CD isn't going to work for turn-in time music.

On a positive note, we had about 25 family and friends over on Friday night for dinner at our site. I thought that would distract me from my job but it really didn't.

Also positive, I got to meet Myron Mixon and his right hand man, Nick. Jack's Old South all came running over to my site Thursday afternoon when a big ol' gust of wind grabbed my canopy and shoved it about 15-20 feet back across the parking lot while I was trying to set up. They helped me get it back in place and stabilized. Real good folks they are. I invited them here to the Brethren site by the way. I hope they come by. Nick is funny as hell, a great BBQ cook and a damned nice guy. We kinda hit it off and he brought me over a sample of all four categories they turned in. Great stuff. I felt honored to be sampling their work! Nick also offered up a great bunch of tips and tricks to us during the course of the last 48 hours that I will definitely use... when my head's back in the game, dang it!

If I recall, the only Brethren to walk in the Open was Rod.

It was hot as hell and windy but an incredibly well run contest. The volunteers on golf carts were contantly there asking "Is everthing ok?" or "Do you need ice or water?" "Can we help you with anything?" etc. It was unlike anything I've seen or heard of. Quite a huge contrast to the Royal. Congrats and thanks to the GAB committee for an oustanding event and congrats to all the winners.

YOU KNOW JEFF,

I WAS DOING WONDERFUL AND GETTING CALLED AT ALL LOCAL AND AREA CONTESTS AND I WAS BARGING TO MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS HOW GOOD I WAS DOING AND GREAT I WAS. AND THEN THIS CONTEST CAME WHERE I INVITED ALL MY FAMILY, FRIENDS, EVEN SCHOOL TEACHERS FROM WHEN I WAS A YOUNG KID, THIS CONTEST WAS IN MY HOME TOWN, I THOUGHT I HAD THIS CONTEST HANDS DOWN. WOW!!!! TO MY SUPRRISE DID NOT EVEN PLACE IN THE TOP 20 IN ANY CATAGORY. IN ANYTHING I WAS SO HUMILIATED. MAN OVER CONFEDONCE. I MET RON L AT THIS CONTEST HE WAS JUST PASSING THOUGH TOWN AND STOPPED BY TO INTRODUCE HIMSELF BOY WAS I COCKY, NEVER AGAIN I AM A HUMBLE MAN NOW I TAKE WHAT I GET, AND GET WHAT I DESERVE. I HAVE LOST THE BRAG BONE EFFECT. JUST MY EXPERENCE.

OH YEAH I MET PELLET ENVY THERE AND PERROT HEAD SMOKERS THERE AND ALOT OF OTHER TOO. I DID GET A MAJOR A$$ WOOPIN. AND I NEEDED IT. MY WIFE SAYS I AM A BETTER PERSON FOR IT.

GOOD LUCK

icemn62
05-28-2006, 09:45 AM
So you had a bad contest...You did have fun didn't you? Did you enjoy yourself? If you could time travel, would you do it again, or were you all weekend long saying to yourself "i should have stayed hmoe?"

You know what you are supposed to do during the comps, you did not do it this time, but you will next time. You got to meet BBQ people, cook laugh, talk, and drink with good folks you have a shared interest with.

Better luck next time on the stage thing.

SP
05-28-2006, 10:54 AM
I feel for you, I did squat too. I cooked a Kobe that I got from Bich's but the thing came out of the cryovac with some prety deep cuts right trough the prime area. I though my ribs were good, which means they were bad. Ohh well I got to meet some brethren. While talking to Jeff I also got to meet Nick from Jacks Ol south. Like Jeff said hell of a guy. He took me on a complete tour of their cooker and told some tricks to. Guess Ill find out how I did MOnday.

Jeff_in_KC
05-28-2006, 01:24 PM
So you had a bad contest...You did have fun didn't you? Did you enjoy yourself? If you could time travel, would you do it again, or were you all weekend long saying to yourself "i should have stayed hmoe?"

You know what you are supposed to do during the comps, you did not do it this time, but you will next time. You got to meet BBQ people, cook laugh, talk, and drink with good folks you have a shared interest with.

Better luck next time on the stage thing.

Yeah Gary, I did have fun! It was great to meet Doorbusters (even though we live like 20 farking minutes apart!) and SP and to see Jim (River City Smokehouse) again! Would I do it over again? I'll have to think on that one awhile. I said I didn't want to do the Royal again because of the size, hassle, etc. I'm just not sure I'm up for the big contests. I REALLY enjoy the 25 to 75 team contests. It gets difficult to get to see all the folks you know at ones like this where everyone is so spread out. Especially with just my wife and I. We're so busy that we don't get around to everyone. I think once every year or two, we'll do a bigger one to see where we stack up vs. the big names then go back to the smaller contests and improve before trying it again.

HoDeDo
05-28-2006, 01:44 PM
Jeff-
I think getting out of your groove from when you have done well makes a diff. too..... Not partying, and getting a little loose, and getting your cooking groove going may have hurt :shock:

When you did well you partied it up - and still managed your meat.

So -- did you Fab B the brisket? I told ya I thought it made my last one dry. Interesting.... yours were too. Anyone else had that outcome?

It was good to see you Thurs. and Fri. -- and at one this big, it's anyones game, so just enjoy the experience. I ended up staying around til 2am on Friday -- I had forgotten it was my cousin's first cook -- FUBAR-B-Que. I'll find out how they did on Monday.

Just look around the results, and see how everyone did, I tend to enjoy just finding a friend to shovel friendly crap on. Just ask Bob - Aka, Celery King.....

Jeff_in_KC
05-28-2006, 02:45 PM
Yep... FAB B... may scrap that stuff and just go with the recipe for injection I showed you. I cooked it up and it tasted pretty good. I added to it with FAB B. It may be time to scrap that stuff.

HoDeDo
05-28-2006, 03:47 PM
Yep... FAB B... may scrap that stuff and just go with the recipe for injection I showed you. I cooked it up and it tasted pretty good. I added to it with FAB B. It may be time to scrap that stuff.

I told ya that was my plan! I'll let you know how it goes in Platte City. I'm going back to Dr.BBQ's injection or possibly going to try some Willingham's mixed into that.....

Have also heard of some stuff called Mr. Beefy? Any ideas/thoughts on that anyone?

The_Kapn
05-28-2006, 05:19 PM
Jeff--excellent analysis and report--thanks!

My only "technical" comment would be--your brisket went 10 hours. That is not fast at all and is a very reasonable time for common briskets, even cooking "low and slow".
As to it drying out in the cooler, I have never seen that. Maybe in some extreme case, or maybe others have had them dry out. But, moisture has never been an issue in my limited experience. This assumes they had moisture in and around them when foiled, of course.
Now, really long cooler times can put them over the edge on tenderness if they are very close to perfect when coolered, for sure.

As to FAB--no way it caused dry brisket--IMHO. It works just the opposite, helps with moisture retention. If FAB is injected properly and completely, it does it's job! Too many top tier teams proving it every weekend.
I think you need to look elsewhere for the source of that dryness problem.

There is an old, old song that has the line:
"Pick your self up, Clean yourself off, and Start all over again" :lol:

Dave and I have done that all too many times, but it works!

Sounds like you had a good time, learned some stuff, met some folks and all of that.
And--That is what it all about :lol:

TIM

Moderator's Note:
Gentlemen, please move the FAB discussion to Q-Talk if you wish to continue. Save me from splitting the thread here.
Also, I am going to scrub the chatter out of this thread later tonight. Lots of good info for the future hidden within the banter.

TIM

Jeff_in_KC
05-28-2006, 06:18 PM
Tim, it was the pork butts that were done early. The brisket was my fault. I left it in the smoker unwrapped and it basically nuked it! But we figure if we soak it in beef broth for about a month, it'll re-hydrate enough to be edible! :lol:

I hope no one takes what I've said wrong... I'm not blaming judges, visitors or anything else. The total fault lies with me. I was just out of synch all weekend. But like you say, you gotta pick yourself up and go on and do better next time. It was definitely a humbling experience. We got pounded by a lot of awesome teams yesterday. We got what we deserved! :wink: Now I'm going to Platte City Friday to get better! :wink:

The_Kapn
05-28-2006, 06:26 PM
"Tim, it was the pork butts that were done early. The brisket was my fault. I left it in the smoker unwrapped and it basically nuked it! But we figure if we soak it in beef broth for about a month, it'll re-hydrate enough to be edible!" :lol:

Reread it--YUP--Butts :redface:

Dry is the problem with not wrapping, especially if hold times are needed.

Me bad!

TIM

Doorbusters
05-28-2006, 06:33 PM
Jeff, I feel your pain. My head was clearly not in it either, (Personal chit). I was however very pleased with my pork, and chicken. My brisket was above average for me, and I did not like the color on my ribs. I did however get to meet some of the most dedicated, good natured people I have ever met. Jeff, you Wayne and Bob provided me a nice little escape from all the crap going on, for that I thank you very much! I also had a great time visiting with the gals from Squeal (probably too much). Nice to see them get a call. All in all it was a great event (minus the farkin wind and heat) I think I could have had 1 smoldering piece of apple and temp would have been perfect. I wish to again thank all, it was very entertaining. Wayne if the $10 was not enough let me know!

Doorbusters
05-28-2006, 07:19 PM
Just noticed they have updated the GAB site. They have the invitational results posted.

Sawdustguy
05-28-2006, 07:23 PM
Tim, it was the pork butts that were done early. The brisket was my fault. I left it in the smoker unwrapped and it basically nuked it! But we figure if we soak it in beef broth for about a month, it'll re-hydrate enough to be edible! :lol:

I hope no one takes what I've said wrong... I'm not blaming judges, visitors or anything else. The total fault lies with me. I was just out of synch all weekend. But like you say, you gotta pick yourself up and go on and do better next time. It was definitely a humbling experience. We got pounded by a lot of awesome teams yesterday. We got what we deserved! :wink: Now I'm going to Platte City Friday to get better! :wink:

Jeff,

Shake it off buddy. I know you make better Que than the results. You had one bad day. Thats all. Bristol was our first cook of the year and I am chalking it up to knocking the cobwebs off. We hope to do much better this time. No booze for my brother and I certainly will feel better. Let's go out and show everyone just how good we both can do next contest.

Jeff_in_KC
05-28-2006, 10:19 PM
It occurs to me that part of the consistency that separates the champions from some of us who WANT to be champions is that they are able to let problems, emergencies and other distracting stuff roll off like water on a duck's back. When something bad or unexpected happens, they don't let it snowball. I think my weekend snowballed on me. It's not necessarily all just the cook and how they have their processes down but also how they deal with adversity. Does that make sense? Maybe as I get older, I'll master that. I'll admit that I get easily frustrated with stuff, not just in competitions.

Guy, I suppose I should wait to see the results first but if I was guessing, I failed badly in accomplishing my goal of finishing in the top 1/3 of every contest I enter this year.

HoDeDo
05-29-2006, 12:47 AM
We got what we deserved! :wink: Now I'm going to Platte City Friday to get better! :wink:

Amen to that. Roll on into the next weekend and it is always better.

We'll see you at Platte City - and win or lose, on Sat. night - we'll solve world hunger. :rolleyes:

Platte City is one of my Nemisis contests, I always get my arse handed to me there. If I can get even one call, I'll be extatic. But then it is on to the Pork Bar-B-Qlossal.... I'm expecting to be Mr. Humble farker all summer long - and loving every minute of it :twisted:

Doorbusters
05-29-2006, 08:24 AM
Jeff, nice score on the pork. Maybe I should finish mine a couple hours early next time. 29th is very respectable. I was most proud of my pork and it was my lowest score. I was scared of my ribs and was 46th. Go figure.

Jeff_in_KC
05-29-2006, 09:48 AM
Dustin, to do it right, you'll need to pull it off the cooker no later than 7:30 am. That's key. :roll:

OMG! I am stunned! Well I'll tell you there's no way on earth that we deserved 29th in pork! No way. And I seriously question the 54th in brisket too. This must have been one of those times you get lucky and get "the right table". I sure wish I could talk to those two sets of judges and see what they thought was so good about that stuff. And it holds true... the two I thought I did better in, we scored worse.

Congrats to all of you guys! It looks like we all had a couple good categories and a couple not so good ones.


UPDATED - Actually, I just went and looked at the corrected version of the overall open results and it seems that every Brethren team finished in the top 50% of a very tough field...

8 - Pellet Envy
26 - Chick 'n Pig
61 - MoKan Meatheads
63 - Big Creek BBQ
86 - Doorbusters
98 - Sauced Pigs
108 - River City Smokehouse
110 - Bonesmokers

I didn't miss anyone, did I?

SP
05-29-2006, 02:07 PM
Thanks for posting that Jeff. My worst finish since my first contest. Dustin I though my ribs were not my best, but I'll take the 16th. I just need to bury the Kobe brisket. Worst score ever in the catagory. Are they going to mail out score sheets?

Jeff_in_KC
05-29-2006, 02:37 PM
:wink: I didn't want to leave anyone out. Besides, in honesty, Big Creek deserves to be closer to 150th than where we ended up.

Chick'n Pig BBQ
05-29-2006, 03:25 PM
Jeff, thanks for posting the results. We finished 26th for both the invitational and the open? My brisket did not score well in the open??? I can't wait to see the score sheets to see what happened????

Jeff, it seems you are down a bit.Try to let it go, pick yourself back up and get back in there.You were pretty excited about cooking and you were happy with your practices. Do not change a thing just yet. Give yourself a chance to adjust to competitions. I know from experience, it is tough to let it go. Just ask Solidkick. He talked to me for almost 3 hours after a horrible loss in Laurie last year. We turned in the best Q I had ever done. But it scored the worst of any contest we had done. I hope this helps.

Chick'n Pig BBQ
05-29-2006, 04:01 PM
I also wanted to mention that my wife Denise ended up 12th overall in the sides category. 1st in vegetables, 6th in potatoes, and 74th in beans?.This was her first time to ever enter sides. I am very happy for her and the Spicewine oven.

River City Smokehouse
05-29-2006, 05:31 PM
Congratulations to you Denise of Chikn'Pig! That was awsome!:eusa_clap Nice meeting you Skip. Always nice to put a face to this game.

Things for me just went wrong from the start of leaving home.:roll: I took Sunday off and today I am working on the Q again.

Jeff, I may yet end up in Joplin this weekend, I'm still trying to convince the spousal unit of it.

Who all is going? Mark from Great Grills stopped me in Walmart yesterday and asked me if I was going and I said no cause he was and there would be any money left to win since he was going to be there.:grin:

Doorbusters
05-29-2006, 08:05 PM
I gotta tell you guys, for the competition we were up against, I 'll take 86th any day. 210 teams of the best and most dedicated, I am happy. This was only my 3rd contest and I am thrilled to death. I always knew I had good que, and this was somewhat of a bad batch, with all thats going on. Come park your arse in my driveway and try a sample. Throw out the BS appearance score, and I am there.

The Brethren were served proud. Wayne, Jeff, we should all stand tall and be proud! 210!

bigabyte
05-29-2006, 08:56 PM
It was my first contest ever, and I was pretty happy with the #78 in Chicken, especially considering how amateur my turn in box appeared compared to Clays Ribs and Brisket boxes. I wound up tanking in Pork, was like #161 or something like that. Ugh!:frown: I'm glad to see some good representation from this forum doing well, and congrats to Rod on the Invitational GC!!!:eusa_clap
I only got to meet DoorBusters at the comp, I was an IDIOT and didn't print a map or list of who was there. I guess that's one of those things you "LEARN" at your first comp!

Jeff_in_KC
05-29-2006, 10:12 PM
I gotta tell you guys, for the competition we were up against, I 'll take 86th any day. 210 teams of the best and most dedicated, I am happy. This was only my 3rd contest and I am thrilled to death. I always knew I had good que, and this was somewhat of a bad batch, with all thats going on. Come park your arse in my driveway and try a sample. Throw out the BS appearance score, and I am there.

The Brethren were served proud. Wayne, Jeff, we should all stand tall and be proud! 210!

Oh heck, you know I am. Like I always say when people drop by to see my smoker: I looked good losing! :lol: