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Full Draw BBQ
12-02-2013, 04:27 PM
I know sign up is usually mid January, but does anyone know when the national schedule/map will be released showing where the contests will be? Thanks!

Mike

columbia1
12-02-2013, 05:14 PM
Cannot wait!!

ckelly
12-02-2013, 06:05 PM
Cannot wait!!


You're crazy!! :wacko:

Rich Parker
12-02-2013, 07:49 PM
I thought signup was in February probably should start hearing about in the next few weeks. I also look forward to this series and wish there were more like it.

CBQ
12-02-2013, 08:26 PM
At Sam's Club Finals in 2012, they said "Next year will be bigger and better than ever!" (It was about the same, maybe a few cost reductions here and there in terms of trophies/gifts.)

THIS year at the finals they said "We hope we will do it again!"

So it's not a given it will come back. I was told by people (that would know) that it was "still being discussed" with Sam's Club as recently as two weeks ago.

I would certainly sign up if they do it again.

CBQ
12-02-2013, 08:33 PM
Last year they announced on December 28th, so it's still early.

Slamdunkpro
12-02-2013, 11:52 PM
At Sam's Club Finals in 2012, they said "Next year will be bigger and better than ever!" (It was about the same, maybe a few cost reductions here and there in terms of trophies/gifts.)

THIS year at the finals they said "We hope we will do it again!"

So it's not a given it will come back. I was told by people (that would know) that it was "still being discussed" with Sam's Club as recently as two weeks ago.

I would certainly sign up if they do it again.
Truthfully I wouldn't be surprised if they ended it. It felt like the Sam's people were just going through the motions this past year.

DawgPhan
12-03-2013, 08:09 AM
I guess I can understand their point. They seem to be putting a lot of money into BBQ and I am sure they are assessing their return on that. I am guessing if they just hired a couple of teams to cook bbq in their parking lots each weekend they would see the same bump in sales during those weekends that they see during a contest.

BMerrill
12-03-2013, 09:48 AM
Sales volume has a well noted increase at each store the weekend of the contest. It's a win for Sam's Club for sure.

nukenight
12-03-2013, 10:08 AM
I agree with everyone that the Sam's BBQ Series has been good. However, it has not gone without its share of problems. My biggest complaint with it was the way they placed the contests. I know contests were placed across the country by the net sales in the local stores. This sometimes put Sam's contests in direct competition with other more established local BBQ events. This made life very difficult for those promoters who through no fault of their own, had to deal with a nearby Sam's event taking all the oxygen out of their contest. I wish Sam's would go to a more hybrid format where local events in a region were placed at existing contests, thus adding prize money at those events. The regional finals and national finals could be held at Sam's club sites. I also think the regional finalists and national finalists should NOT pay a registration fee. Traveling a long distance to compete costs enough without having to pay a registration fee on top of that. I think every cook from first to last place in the Sam's national finals should get paid something. With costs going up, cooks need something to make it worth while.

Podge
12-03-2013, 11:04 AM
If you place at the locals, you win at least enough to pay for the entry into the regionals. 10th pays $250 overall

I hope they have it again in 2014. I had a lot of fun with it!

Full Draw BBQ
12-03-2013, 11:08 AM
Thanks everyone........I'm really looking forward to it!

cpw
12-03-2013, 11:27 AM
Even though we didn't make it out of the local qualifier, I'd definitely do it again. I hope they don't cancel.

columbia1
12-03-2013, 12:07 PM
Last year registration for the 2013 Sam's Club National BBQ Tour began on Jan. 9, 2013 at 7 PM CDT.

Rich Parker
12-03-2013, 12:22 PM
Last year registration for the 2013 Sam's Club National BBQ Tour began on Jan. 9, 2013 at 7 PM CDT.

I was pretty close. :becky:

SITM BBQ
12-03-2013, 12:39 PM
I think they should keep it going as well. It's nice to have a bbq series to compete in. But if they don't maybe another retailer will step up, costco could make it happen.

didisea
12-03-2013, 11:24 PM
I don't think Costco, (being headquartered in Seattle) has very much awareness of BBQ. Unlike Sams Club/Walmart which does seem to understand what BBQers need and use.

ibrisky
12-04-2013, 12:06 AM
As others have said, I didn't get that 'feel good' vibe from the finals this year. Which would be a shame if this didn't continue....

Sure, they did the corporate dog and pony but it just didn't feel like negotiations were going well at the time with the corner office folks for a renewal, hoping for news soon.....

BBQ_MAFIA
12-05-2013, 09:15 PM
We will sign up again if they have it. I enjoyed the last two that we entered.

sdbbq1234
12-05-2013, 10:39 PM
I also hope they continue with the comps. For us, this is the only contest that we actually won money at so far! :clap2:

It was also nice having a Sams club as well as other stores really close by.

wallace

MikeJ65
12-06-2013, 09:34 AM
Regardless of whether Sam's continues their sponsorship, I think that KCBS needs to continue the series in some form. I like the tournament format because it lets a lot a teams get involved.

If Sam's doesn't renew, I would kick up the size of the contests a bit and distribute the contests based on the team concentrations in an area. Maybe 20 locals of 50 teams each feeding 5 regionals of the same size. Top 10 advance in both cases and you have a 50 team final.

ShencoSmoke
12-06-2013, 10:49 AM
Regardless of whether Sam's continues their sponsorship, I think that KCBS needs to continue the series in some form. I like the tournament format because it lets a lot a teams get involved.

If Sam's doesn't renew, I would kick up the size of the contests a bit and distribute the contests based on the team concentrations in an area. Maybe 20 locals of 50 teams each feeding 5 regionals of the same size. Top 10 advance in both cases and you have a 50 team final.

I like it. It would be nice if a sponsor would step up and put a LARGE sum of money up for the final, like the world series of poker. Take the top 1000 TOY teams from the previous year and start with 20 contests. That would also give more teams a goal (to qualify) the previous year. I'm not saying it needs to be televised on ESPN or anything, but if there was $500,000 on the line, things would get real interesting.

Kit R
12-06-2013, 11:31 AM
Regardless of whether Sam's continues their sponsorship, I think that KCBS needs to continue the series in some form. I like the tournament format because it lets a lot a teams get involved.

If Sam's doesn't renew, I would kick up the size of the contests a bit and distribute the contests based on the team concentrations in an area. Maybe 20 locals of 50 teams each feeding 5 regionals of the same size. Top 10 advance in both cases and you have a 50 team final.

An interesting idea/concept/revision, but someone would still have to pay for it.

ShencoSmoke
12-06-2013, 12:51 PM
An interesting idea/concept/revision, but someone would still have to pay for it.

I agree kit, but i the think the answer is television and the advertising $ that comes with it. I believe there is an opportunity to film a tournament like we are talking about and have the viewing public be very interested. It would be survivor, the WS of poker, and pitmasters all wrapped up into one.

Slamdunkpro
12-06-2013, 01:00 PM
I like it. It would be nice if a sponsor would step up and put a LARGE sum of money up for the final, like the world series of poker.
The WSOP prize pool is entirely player (entry fee) funded

ShencoSmoke
12-06-2013, 01:10 PM
The WSOP prize pool is entirely player (entry fee) funded

Yes, but we only pay $250. If that doubled to 500 and half went to the grand champion, you have $250,000 (at 1000 teams). Not sure you would find that mAny teams to fork over 500, but you never know.

TheJackal
12-06-2013, 02:48 PM
If Troy Black was aware of the possibility that Sam's wouldn't continue would he participate in this video that was just released? Sam's is mentioned quite a bit in it. I know he is not likely directly involved in the decision making process but I would think he would at least be 'in the know'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7D5Jn_imBE&list=UUSeKtP7bqePrJqi99UX2NSQ

Rich Parker
12-06-2013, 06:37 PM
If Troy Black was aware of the possibility that Sam's wouldn't continue would he participate in this video that was just released? Sam's is mentioned quite a bit in it. I know he is not likely directly involved in the decision making process but I would think he would at least be 'in the know'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7D5Jn_imBE&list=UUSeKtP7bqePrJqi99UX2NSQ

Those Yoder pellet grills are pretty awesome too. :D

Rich Parker
12-10-2013, 02:16 PM
In the marketing report for the Dec KCBS BoD meeting.

Coordination and logistics for 2014 Samís Tour

Awesome!

Slamdunkpro
12-10-2013, 02:46 PM
In the marketing report for the Dec KCBS BoD meeting.



Awesome!
:thumb::thumb::thumb:

Slewi
12-10-2013, 03:21 PM
Do all of the Sam's do the contest? I havent heard of it around here.

cpw
12-10-2013, 03:47 PM
Do all of the Sam's do the contest? I havent heard of it around here.

No, but they typically have them within a few hours' drive of wherever you might be.

cynfulsmokersbbq
12-11-2013, 02:34 PM
The WSOP prize pool is entirely player (entry fee) funded


How far out does WSOP pay? Do they pay a new entry fee at each level? I know our local casino has poker contests and the winner gets a paid trip to the next level. (would this be a WSOP competition?)

eggzlot
12-11-2013, 02:39 PM
How far out does WSOP pay? Do they pay a new entry fee at each level? I know our local casino has poker contests and the winner gets a paid trip to the next level. (would this be a WSOP competition?)

Your local casino is likely hosting WSOP circuit events if the winner gets a trip to another contest. But in a Circuit event (official WSOP) the winners also take home money, not just a seat at the WSOP Main event. Or the caisno is just holding a private tournament with the winner getting trip to the WSOP Main event (which is typical too). During the actual WSOP event in Vegas, I believe they pay the top 10% of the field, which is normal for most cash paying poker events (WSOP or non WSOP).

I don't think you can make a true apples to apples comparison because there are several ways to get into the WSOP between various qualifiers and or just paying the entry fee.

It would be nice if something like Sam's did not require you to pay for each round as you progress, but then again its nice to have a big event and a big sponsor, and you'll likely have won at least $250 during the first round to pay the entry fee for the 2nd round.

Slamdunkpro
12-11-2013, 02:45 PM
It would be nice if something like Sam's did not require you to pay for each round as you progress, but then again its nice to have a big event and a big sponsor, and you'll likely have won at least $250 during the first round to pay the entry fee for the 2nd round.
Not to stir up the pot again but if the objective is to pay down so the money winners in the local have money to pay the entry fee+ to the regional then they really shouldn't let teams compete in multiple local events or teams that have already qualified for the regional should be ineligible for prize money.

eggzlot
12-11-2013, 04:42 PM
If I am not mistaken, this was the first year they let teams compete in multiple events in the first round, no?

I was also showing that this is not a perfect apples to apples comparision to the WSOP structure, that's all. They could probably change up the structure a bit, but given what else we have for a big national tournament, its not an awful structure either with a nice large payout at the end.

For us in our area (NYC Metro area), the Regional Finals are 7+ hrs away in VA, that is more of an obstacle than the additional $250 entry fee (if we were to make it that far).

Rich Parker
12-13-2013, 03:09 PM
:thumb::thumb::thumb:

I just listened to the meeting and it was reported that sponsors were "slower" this year but hoping to have good news at least more information at the Jan 14' meeting.

CBQ
12-14-2013, 12:19 AM
I've won money in Sam's and the WSOP. Won more (and spent more) on BBQ. :becky:

There are actually about 60 WSOP "bracelet" events, not just the main event you see on ESPN. The main event has a 10k entry fee per player, and the others start at $1000 and go up as high as $25k.

Not all of the WSOP entry fees are paid out in the prize pool, just like all poker tournaments the house takes a cut. The Sam's Club prize pool across all of the contests is actually higher than the entry fees by a substantial margin - Sam's Club and the other sponsors subsidize the prize pool and the cost of running the events. So you really don't want it to be like the WSOP, the payouts would be much lower.

It would be nice if something like Sam's did not require you to pay for each round as you progress, but then again its nice to have a big event and a big sponsor, and you'll likely have won at least $250 during the first round to pay the entry fee for the 2nd round.

It's not just likely, it's a sure thing. After the first year, they changed the Sam's structure so that if you qualify to move on, you are certain to have won at least enough to cover the entry fee for the next round.

CBQ
12-14-2013, 12:23 AM
For us in our area (NYC Metro area), the Regional Finals are 7+ hrs away in VA, that is more of an obstacle than the additional $250 entry fee (if we were to make it that far).

I had to travel to to Medford, NY from RI, then from RI to Virginia, and then RI to Bentonville. Twice. Would do it again in a heartbeat. Any contest in New England we can reach without staying overnight is "local". :becky: (Of course I also drove to Las Vegas to compete, so I'm a little crazy. :heh:)