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PigxelPerfectBbq
11-02-2013, 08:49 PM
Hey guys since its the offseason for competition it's time to do some experimenting to get ready for next year. My question is has anyone had good results as far as scoring goes making brisket without injecting. Last weekend I made a brisket with kosmos (has scored me fairly well in the past) but I found myself tasting too much of the artificial injection vs good ole beef. I don't think I over injected it was a 12 lb brisket after being trimmed and I probably injected less than 2 cups.

I'm pretty sure my favorite brisket locally at a restaurent isn't injected as that would be insane for a restaurent to inject and wrap all day everyday... Or maybe I'm wrong.

I just want to see if anyone has the same issue with tasting the injection too much and if its feasible to do well without it with the judges.... Any advice is greatly appreciated!

I'm finally happy with my bark now I need to refine the inside if my brisket :doh:

-Ben

INmitch
11-02-2013, 10:28 PM
I took Triggs class 2 n half years ago. As of then he didn't inject. Me na I inject the sh!t out of them. I've beat him and He's beat me. If you can taste the injection maybe cut it back a bit. The reason for the injection (phosphates) is moisture not flavor.

Lake Dogs
11-02-2013, 10:43 PM
LOL at offseason... Rescue Smokers just GC'd Big Pig Jig... Myron & crew GC'd last weekend in Hawkinsville. In Georgia, there is no real offseason...

trohrs123
11-02-2013, 11:05 PM
FWIW...I use 32 oz for a 17 lb brisket... Maybe it's not the volume, but you need to dilute...make half as strong?

PigxelPerfectBbq
11-03-2013, 01:53 AM
Well here in michigan it's certainly offseason ^.^ we don't have the luxury you guys do down south.

I'll try to dilute it , I'm unsure of the exact amount I used but it was about 3/4 of what was made according to kosmos package instructions.

I'm all for injecting for moisture as long as I can achieve that without really affecting/masking the true taste.

Q*bert
11-03-2013, 07:23 AM
I've been thinking along the same lines. I've always injected & foiled. And I've had a lot of success with it. But, since My off season is here, I was thinking of switching things up to no injection & butcher paper just to see....

sfisch
11-03-2013, 07:55 AM
Try a smaller needle and inject a smaller amount in more spots, get more distribution into the piece of meat.

Rich Parker
11-03-2013, 09:18 AM
Definitely an off season up here. For an event in MI you have 8 months to think about that brisket. Haha..

The mixing directions on the bag are more of a suggestion so it may vary depending on how you cook and your other techniques. Like suggested above make it a little less strong and try it again as it is a great product. Calling Kosmos might help answer some questions too.

Big Mike
11-03-2013, 09:39 AM
I do not inject, but I do marinate my brisket. 4 of the last 5 contests I entered I finished in the top 10 with brisket. The 5th one I was 15th but that brisket had issues.

Fat Freddy
11-03-2013, 09:43 AM
I am not sure what ratios you used but what I will say is watch the labels on Kosmos, and there is nothing wrong with the product. It MAY be right but I had a sample bag that said enough for 2 briskets and then on the regular size bag it says enough for 2 briskets. seems to be exact same label. The directions give specific instructions(I use less) but if someone is thinking they have to use half a bag for 1 brisket there could be an issue.

Lake Dogs
11-03-2013, 10:45 AM
Over the years I've adjusted my injection a few times. I've finally settled in using Butchers (similar to Kosmos'), but I double the water, and I make certain it sets-up overnight. I've found that if I use it as prescribed, or if I mix it and inject it withing a short period of time, I end up with a fairly strong taste of injection.

Rich Parker
11-03-2013, 11:39 AM
One more thing, the Reserve Blend I am sure does have seasonings in it which may be what you are tasting. You might want to try his Moisture Magic as that will be a flavorless phosphate injection. A lot of teams will make their own injection and add some Moisture Magic to it.

Dex
11-03-2013, 05:02 PM
Over the years I've adjusted my injection a few times. I've finally settled in using Butchers (similar to Kosmos'), but I double the water, and I make certain it sets-up overnight. I've found that if I use it as prescribed, or if I mix it and inject it withing a short period of time, I end up with a fairly strong taste of injection.

I have noticed the same thing and plan on trying different dosages this off season as well

Ford
11-03-2013, 09:24 PM
In competition I've been injecting and wrapping for many years. It makes a difference in moisture. I cooked for years on an fe100. 2 butts and 2 briskets. However if I cook 2 cases of butts at once I don't do anything but rub. I get a moister product. Same with about 120 lbs of briskets. But that's a heck of a cost for a contest unless you're vending as well. Of course other smokers that are not as insulated and sealed may cause different results.

Fat Woody
11-04-2013, 11:07 AM
I'm pretty sure my favorite brisket locally at a restaurent isn't injected as that would be insane for a restaurent to inject and wrap all day everyday... Or maybe I'm wrong.

Would that be Lockhart's? You could ask the pitmaster, he's a Brethren after all!

Send him a PM: Bbq Bubba

PigxelPerfectBbq
11-04-2013, 02:30 PM
Yepp it is Lockharts and I actually pm'd him recently and plan to leave work early one day to meet him up at the restaurent ^.^

Rich- I was indeed using reserve blend so you could be right in that the injection mixture is likely more heavily seasoned than their other product. Ill have to place an order for the other one along with some Butchers to do a comparison.

Fat Freddy- you are right in saying the label can be misleading, mine says enough for 2 17 lb briskets at their measurement but so far ive gotten 3 uses out of this bag and looks like i have enough for atleast 1 more of their suggested ratio.

You guys gave me some good ideas of things to try to ill get to it! Thanks