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BulloftheWoods
09-17-2013, 04:15 PM
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/kelso76023/trailer038.jpg

deepsouth
09-17-2013, 04:21 PM
:confused:

ButtBurner
09-17-2013, 05:28 PM
bottom lug nut on the back trailer tire is loose

deepsouth
09-17-2013, 05:38 PM
bottom lug nut on the back trailer tire is loose


good call!

deguerre
09-17-2013, 05:39 PM
They got the wrong SHADE of red!

bizznessman
09-17-2013, 05:49 PM
It's not parked in my driveway!!! :mrgreen:

oifmarine2003
09-17-2013, 05:50 PM
No license plate

ssv3
09-17-2013, 06:15 PM
The Toyota??? :mrgreen:

HBMTN
09-17-2013, 06:48 PM
If the side vending window is not up you can not walk through the door. :loco:

BulloftheWoods
09-17-2013, 09:20 PM
HBMTN, you win the cigar. Ordered a full entry door and got a half door.

Shiz-Nit
09-17-2013, 09:28 PM
My friend I TOLD you black is my color.... Please take this back I can not work like this.....

Hee Hee! just jokin my friend.... She is OUTSTANDING!!!!!!!!!! COOOOOOL!!!!!!!

BulloftheWoods
09-17-2013, 09:46 PM
Who in their right mind would order a trailer without a full entry door???

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/kelso76023/trailer036.jpg

poorolddan
09-17-2013, 10:51 PM
shouldn't the vending window be on the curb side, also?

gtr
09-18-2013, 12:29 AM
If the side vending window is not up you can not walk through the door. :loco:

Guerry could. :caked:

Hawg Father of Seoul
09-18-2013, 03:26 AM
I would say I could take it off your hands half price, but half price may still give me a heart attack.

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 08:48 AM
Do you see anything on this drawing that would denote a half door instead of a full door?

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/kelso76023/cad001.jpg (http://s304.photobucket.com/user/kelso76023/media/cad001.jpg.html)

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 09:23 AM
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/kelso76023/trailer036.jpg (http://s304.photobucket.com/user/kelso76023/media/trailer036.jpg.html)

deguerre
09-18-2013, 09:34 AM
Do you see anything on this drawing that would denote a half door instead of a full door?

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/kelso76023/cad001.jpg (http://s304.photobucket.com/user/kelso76023/media/cad001.jpg.html)

Perhaps. Where the door is, if it were a completely open portal, I would expect NO blue at it's location. Seeing the half blue strip indicates to me a partial blockage might be in place?

Bbq Bubba
09-18-2013, 09:42 AM
Your print shows a serving window and a door in the same place. If you approved it id say you own it.
Very bad set-up. That'll be a major pain in the arse.

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 09:50 AM
The serving window is on the right side.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/kelso76023/trailer036.jpg (http://s304.photobucket.com/user/kelso76023/media/trailer036.jpg.html)

ButtBurner
09-18-2013, 09:58 AM
I concour with Degeurre

that drawing isnt very clear. I work with engineering drawings every day, thats not a good one.

But before building it, I as the builder would have asked for clarificiation

deguerre
09-18-2013, 10:03 AM
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/kelso76023/trailer038.jpg

After looking again, it appears that the whole back third can be opened up above waist level on all three sides. It's odd that the doors on the rear left AND the back don't open fully without the top panels levered up.

hamiltont
09-18-2013, 10:13 AM
It does say 36" Access Door under the drawing. That should have been a dead give away IMO???

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 10:16 AM
That is correct deguerre. It would be a death trap in case of a fire and you had it closed up while inside.

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 10:33 AM
It does say 36" Access Door under the drawing. That should have been a dead give away IMO???


The access door is in the front of the trailer by the tongue. That is where the hot water heater is.

Fooskey
09-18-2013, 10:47 AM
Unfortunately, the drawing is not that clear. I drove 1500 miles round trip to see my unit three times while under construction, and each time there were at least two things that needed to be addressed.

The first time, when it was framed, the main entry was too narrow and I have a short door under a concession window (like you have) that they had a fixed rail over so that to exit it, you would have to crawl under it (They said they thought it was a strange idea, as well! lol).

I am kinda surprised these builders do not require an inspection when it is framed up to avoid these situations. Many times what we intend and how our drawings are interpreted are quite different.

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 10:57 AM
Unfortunately, the drawing is not that clear. I drove 1500 miles round trip to see my unit three times while under construction, and each time there were at least two things that needed to be addressed.

The first time, when it was framed, the main entry was too narrow and I have a short door under a concession window (like you have) that they had a fixed rail over so that to exit it, you would have to crawl under it (They said they thought it was a strange idea, as well! lol).

I am kinda surprised these builders do not require an inspection when it is framed up to avoid these situations. Many times what we intend and how our drawings are interpreted are quite different.

The concession window is on the right side, not the left. There is no door under the concession window/serving window.

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 11:01 AM
http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/kelso76023/trailer045.jpg (http://s304.photobucket.com/user/kelso76023/media/trailer045.jpg.html)

Fooskey
09-18-2013, 11:41 AM
The concession window is on the right side, not the left. There is no door under the concession window/serving window.

Yeah, just sharing a similar experience. You still have a nice unit, but the miscommunication is unfortunate. What does the builder say?

On the V-nose, that door is just a service door, you can't access the trailer from it?

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 11:53 AM
Yeah, just sharing a similar experience. You still have a nice unit, but the miscommunication is unfortunate. What does the builder say?

On the V-nose, that door is just a service door, you can't access the trailer from it?

I know Fooskey, and I appreciate your comment. I do not want to seem abrupt. And no, you can not enter the trailer from it. I am going to use you guys comments as to whether I should file a lawsuit or not. Trying to see what a jury would think.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/kelso76023/trailer054.jpg (http://s304.photobucket.com/user/kelso76023/media/trailer054.jpg.html)

Fooskey
09-18-2013, 12:11 PM
I think if I was a jury member, the big question would be why you accepted it? Were you given opportunities to see it during construction? Did they have all your money at that point? What is the builder saying to you?

You hope you are dealing with someone who will do the right thing without it getting to that point, because no one wins when these things go to court.

ButtBurner
09-18-2013, 12:27 PM
A jury would hear both sides of the story

we only have a partial version of one side of the story, in bits and peices

lay it all out. if you want help.

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 12:37 PM
Ok, here is the story. I told the salesman I wanted a trailer like this,

http://sleequipment.com/categories/concession-trailers/new-8-5-x-20v-nose-concession-food-trailer.html

But the back half had to be enclosed. So he told me to look at this trailer

http://sleequipment.com/categories/concession-trailers/new-8-5-x-20-smoker-concession-snack-food-trailer-1.html

I said yes, this will work. Make the front of the trailer like the first one, and the back half like the second one.

Fooskey
09-18-2013, 12:48 PM
What did he say when you said the door was wrong?

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 12:57 PM
He said no, it was right, and that they build all the trailers like mine. Which I knew was a lie. Because the drawing did not have a side view, I had printed a pic of the second trailer when I ordered it, but did not have it with me to prove he was lying.

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 01:18 PM
Notice the date on this pic and the date on the drawing.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/kelso76023/001.jpg (http://s304.photobucket.com/user/kelso76023/media/001.jpg.html)

ButtBurner
09-18-2013, 01:43 PM
are these changes spelled out in your contract or purchase agreement?

thats what a judge will want to know

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 02:07 PM
are these changes spelled out in your contract or purchase agreement?

thats what a judge will want to know

There were no changes. It is a custom built trailer. The front half was to be like the first trailer and the back half was to be enclosed like the second trailer. The drawing shows the door opening and says nothing about it being a half door. No where on the drawing does it say it is half door. Had he noted it would be a half door, I would have told him it needed to be just like the second trailer with the full door. The salesman made a mistake by putting in a flip up door all the way across, instead of partial way across like the second trailer shows in the pictures.

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 02:38 PM
[QUOTE=Fooskey;2629728]I think if I was a jury member, the big question would be why you accepted it? Were you given opportunities to see it during construction? Did they have all your money at that point? What is the builder saying to you?

You hope you are dealing with someone who will do the right thing without it getting to that point, because no one wins when these things go to court.[/QUOT

Had I not accepted it, they would have kept my $4000.00 deposit. The dealer, not the builder, said it is my problem. I told them I would pay for the repair, if they would pay for the door. They said no. So I am buying the full door and materials to repair it through Freedom Trailers, the manufacture of the trailer, and having it repaired the way it was supposed to be built.

ButtBurner
09-18-2013, 04:04 PM
There were no changes. It is a custom built trailer. The front half was to be like the first trailer and the back half was to be enclosed like the second trailer. The drawing shows the door opening and says nothing about it being a half door. No where on the drawing does it say it is half door. Had he noted it would be a half door, I would have told him it needed to be just like the second trailer with the full door. The salesman made a mistake by putting in a flip up door all the way across, instead of partial way across like the second trailer shows in the pictures.

ok so there was no changes. Do you have a purchase agreement or contract showing the configuration of the trailer?

sounds like there was no meeting of the minds and the guy built it how he thought you wanted it

Bbq Bubba
09-18-2013, 07:49 PM
It's unfortunate. The pic of the back half you showed them definetly has a full size door on it.

May i ask why you wanted it built that way, all enclosed that is?

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 08:17 PM
It's unfortunate. The pic of the back half you showed them definetly has a full size door on it.

May i ask why you wanted it built that way, all enclosed that is?


A number of reasons. Weather, city ordinance for street vending, security, appearance. After arguing back and forth about it not being right, the is one of the last emails I sent him:

"Skip, can you see the lettering at the bottom of this pic. I printed this when we spec-ed out the trailer. It is dated7/2/2013. That is the day before I signed the spec sheet/CAD drawing. This is what you said the back half would be, and this is what I expected. Now, is SLE going to pay for the material. I am agreeing to pay for the labor because I need it done ASAP. The repair will cost a lot more than the material. I am losing money everyday this unit is not on the road making money. I bought from SLE because I was referred to your company by people on the internet BBQ society's that have bought trailers from you. They said y'all were a good company to do business with and treated your customers right. I hope to be able to tell everyone the same."

Carl Smith / Runaway Bay, TX

It made no difference to him. He ignored the pic, and would not comment on it.

bizznessman
09-18-2013, 08:23 PM
This is a very unfortunate situation. And I definitely understand your anger.

From a legal aspect you "may" have a case. However, when you go into court your chances are basically 50/50. I personally don't like those odds.

I see two options here.

1) Sue for damages and take your chances with a judge/jury. But be prepared to accept a possible loss. You are now out legal costs as well.

2) Learn from this experience and use that knowledge to protect yourself in the future. (imho this is the less expensive option)

Personally I would take option #2. I would see a legal case just eating further into my profits.

You can make up the "repairs" costs by selling Great Q!!

Just curious, what will the "fix" cost??

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 08:36 PM
This is a very unfortunate situation. And I definitely understand your anger.

From a legal aspect you "may" have a case. However, when you go into court your chances are basically 50/50. I personally don't like those odds.

I see two options here.

1) Sue for damages and take your chances with a judge/jury. But be prepared to accept a possible loss. You are now out legal costs as well.

2) Learn from this experience and use that knowledge to protect yourself in the future. (imho this is the less expensive option)

Personally I would take option #2. I would see a legal case just eating further into my profits.

You can make up the "repairs" costs by selling Great Q!!

Just curious, what will the "fix" cost??


Have not got a quote yet. But it will not be cheap. I have ordered the door from the factory. I want them to cut the flip up door to size and use the aft trim, so I will not have to pay for material for the flip up, just the labor.

Skip
09-18-2013, 08:41 PM
Do you see anything on this drawing that would denote a half door instead of a full door?

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/kelso76023/cad001.jpg (http://s304.photobucket.com/user/kelso76023/media/cad001.jpg.html)

Yes I do. Its right under the 36" access door. 42" rear entry door. The drawings show a door and a window on that side of the trailer as well as the 36" step.

42" is 3 1/2'. Which is what that door seems to be.

Fooskey
09-18-2013, 08:55 PM
[QUOTE=Fooskey;2629728]I think if I was a jury member, the big question would be why you accepted it? Were you given opportunities to see it during construction? Did they have all your money at that point? What is the builder saying to you?

You hope you are dealing with someone who will do the right thing without it getting to that point, because no one wins when these things go to court.[/QUOT

Had I not accepted it, they would have kept my $4000.00 deposit. The dealer, not the builder, said it is my problem. I told them I would pay for the repair, if they would pay for the door. They said no. So I am buying the full door and materials to repair it through Freedom Trailers, the manufacture of the trailer, and having it repaired the way it was supposed to be built.

It sucks, but at least you are getting it the way you wanted and can move on with selling.

Unless I was up against another deadline and needed the trailer for an event, I would not have accepted the trailer. They can't simply take your deposit when there is a dispute ongoing. By not accepting it, you maintain more leverage.

Anyway, what is done is done. Best of luck and I hope it makes you a thousand times what you paid for it!

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 09:41 PM
[quote=BulloftheWoods;2629889]

It sucks, but at least you are getting it the way you wanted and can move on with selling.

Unless I was up against another deadline and needed the trailer for an event, I would not have accepted the trailer. They can't simply take your deposit when there is a dispute ongoing. By not accepting it, you maintain more leverage.

Anyway, what is done is done. Best of luck and I hope it makes you a thousand times what you paid for it!

They can keep you deposit, and they do. The only way to get it back is to take them to court or accept the trailer like it is. And going to court can drag on for years. Once they get your money, you are theirs and they know it. They call it "No deposit, no return" If the salesman can not get your deposit up front, it is not considered a deal. The customer can walk away and you have no hold on them.I sold RV travel trailers, 5th wheels, motor homes, and manufactured housing for ten years. I worked for some good dealers, and some bad ones. The bad ones are more common than the good. Thanks for the good wishes, and I will settle for paying the bills.

BulloftheWoods
09-18-2013, 10:05 PM
Yes I do. Its right under the 36" access door. 42" rear entry door. The drawings show a door and a window on that side of the trailer as well as the 36" step.

42" is 3 1/2'. Which is what that door seems to be.


42" denotes the the rear entry door into front half. I wanted it extra large so I can get my double door refer in with no problem, and easy for two people to pass thru at the same time, as the door will remain open most of the time. Like your avatar.

toadhunter911
09-19-2013, 07:40 AM
Have you gone beyond the salesman to resolve this? He's going to do everything he can to protect his commission. The GM or owner will be more focused on customer service.

hogzgonewild
09-19-2013, 08:28 AM
Do you see anything on this drawing that would denote a half door instead of a full door?

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn199/kelso76023/cad001.jpg (http://s304.photobucket.com/user/kelso76023/media/cad001.jpg.html)

Looking at the drawing, it shows the same text for the left and right rear, with "Top Half Flipping Up."

In my opinion, the trailer you received is exactly what the drawing shows.

BulloftheWoods
09-19-2013, 09:09 AM
Looking at the drawing, it shows the same text for the left and right rear, with "Top Half Flipping Up."

In my opinion, the trailer you received is exactly what the drawing shows.

I agree. It does say that. And it was supposed to be just like the other side. Only with a full door like the yellow trailer. Not a half door.

http://sleequipment.com/categories/concession-trailers/new-8-5-x-20-smoker-concession-snack-food-trailer-1.html

hogzgonewild
09-19-2013, 09:46 AM
I agree. It does say that. And it was supposed to be just like the other side. Only with a full door like the yellow trailer. Not a half door.

http://sleequipment.com/categories/concession-trailers/new-8-5-x-20-smoker-concession-snack-food-trailer-1.html

But the blue, which would indicate the flip up top half, goes all the way across. There is nothing denoting where the window should stop. Which would have to be 3-4" away from the door at least, so the door would have support.

BulloftheWoods
09-19-2013, 01:53 PM
But the blue, which would indicate the flip up top half, goes all the way across. There is nothing denoting where the window should stop. Which would have to be 3-4" away from the door at least, so the door would have support.


Yeah, I know nothing about CAD drawings. I was going off the pic of the yellow trailer he told me it would be built like. The fire department did not catch it either. They approved the floor plan. I can not believe you can build a fully enclosed trailer with out a full door to exit. The salesman told me the trailer would be 29' to 30' ft. long. Its 27' ft long. He said it would weigh 4800 hundred lbs. The title says it weighs 3800lbs.

RangerJ
09-19-2013, 04:04 PM
Sorry to hear about your troubles. The good news is, you already had your pits so you can get smoking!

I've had my trailer for 2 months and my pits are due "any day".

we've had to improvise on ugly drums and the Jambo, which is turning out to be not near enough capacity.

Did I mention I have full doors? :tape:

Good luck to you out there, if we can help here down south, let me know.

ButtBurner
09-19-2013, 06:26 PM
Yeah, I know nothing about CAD drawings. I was going off the pic of the yellow trailer he told me it would be built like. The fire department did not catch it either. They approved the floor plan. I can not believe you can build a fully enclosed trailer with out a full door to exit. The salesman told me the trailer would be 29' to 30' ft. long. Its 27' ft long. He said it would weigh 4800 hundred lbs. The title says it weighs 3800lbs.

but with nothing in writing you have nothing to stand on

"he told me" "he said" means nothing in a court of law

bbqbull
09-19-2013, 08:16 PM
[quote=Fooskey;2630327]

They can keep you deposit, and they do. The only way to get it back is to take them to court or accept the trailer like it is. And going to court can drag on for years. Once they get your money, you are theirs and they know it. They call it "No deposit, no return" If the salesman can not get your deposit up front, it is not considered a deal. The customer can walk away and you have no hold on them.I sold RV travel trailers, 5th wheels, motor homes, and manufactured housing for ten years. I worked for some good dealers, and some bad ones. The bad ones are more common than the good. Thanks for the good wishes, and I will settle for paying the bills.

I am no expert in much of anything. If it were my trailer I would write them a personal check and take delivery. I would call my bank and put a stop on the check within minutes of writing it. That will get you into court in a very very short time, trust me. I am sorry for your troubles with this company.
Good Luck!!!

Oldyote
09-19-2013, 09:29 PM
I am no expert in much of anything. If it were my trailer I would write them a personal check and take delivery. I would call my bank and put a stop on the check within minutes of writing it. That will get you into court in a very very short time, trust me. I am sorry for your troubles with this company.
Good Luck!!!


I think that could be considered theft. You might end up in court but it might not be the court you want to be in. :shock:

Oldyote
09-19-2013, 09:39 PM
I have a question.


Would the current configuration be considered a common configuration or one that someone might actually request?

In other words is it reasonable for the builder to think this was an acceptable design based on prior builds or common standards?

If so I think it might be a tough case to win.

BulloftheWoods
09-19-2013, 11:50 PM
I have a question.


Would the current configuration be considered a common configuration or one that someone might actually request?

In other words is it reasonable for the builder to think this was an acceptable design based on prior builds or common standards?

If so I think it might be a tough case to win.

In answer to your question. The salesman told me when I confronted him about it being wrong. His answer was " this is the way we build all of them ". I looked at every trailer they had online and could not see a trailer that had a fully enclosed design without a full entry door into the trailer.. No fire department would ever approve an enclosed trailer without a full entry/exit door.