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LTG
09-07-2013, 12:19 PM
Looking for input from experienced teams before making a large purchase for next season. Team plans are to do a few more contests next year. 3 team members that sleep onsite. Currently using a 22.5" WSM and a drum. We will be adding another drum in the offseason.

Options are:

-7x14 or 7x16 enclosed cargo trailer and then up fitting for comp use. Adding sink, counter, a/c, finishing inside, etc.

-Used small toy hauler. I've seen quite a few in the 6-8k range. 16-18 ft. We realize that it will be cozy sleeping wise but water, a/c, finished insides, etc are already done.

Trying to stay with something that can fit in a standard 20x20 space.

Thoughts?

Cast Iron Chef
09-07-2013, 12:26 PM
My goal is a toy hauler. Most teams I talk to say an RV is a game changer.

fnbish
09-07-2013, 12:43 PM
I finally got a camper this year and it makes the sleeping and dealing with weather a lot better. Both my backwoods fit in the back of my truck so I didn't need a toy hauler, but am still looking for a toy hauler :becky:. I wanted something that was at most 30ft from back to tongue since all the spots here are 20x30.

7x16 might be tight to sleep 3 people so try to set expectations at to what is realistic. Having a fully functional competition trailer that also sleeps 3 people seems like a stretch to me, even if there were foldable bunk beds.

Ron_L
09-07-2013, 01:31 PM
If the end result with the cargo trailer is to build it our to include a head, sink, stove top, microwave, beds, etc. like the toy hauler you may end up spending as much or more, especially if you take your labor into account. Having the toy hauler has made competitions much easier for us, both on site (set up and tear down) and once we are home. We stick our dirty dishes in one of the cambros and bring them into the house to wash. On the day before the comp we restock the supplies, put the dishes back, load the coolers and we're ready to go.

Rich Parker
09-07-2013, 01:53 PM
Buy a toy hauler and the biggest one your truck will pull and you can afford. You will always want bigger.

LTG
09-07-2013, 02:18 PM
If the end result with the cargo trailer is to build it our to include a head, sink, stove top, microwave, beds, etc. like the toy hauler you may end up spending as much or more, especially if you take your labor into account. Having the toy hauler has made competitions much easier for us, both on site (set up and tear down) and once we are home. We stick our dirty dishes in one of the cambros and bring them into the house to wash. On the day before the comp we restock the supplies, put the dishes back, load the coolers and we're ready to go.
What brand/model do you have? I'm hoping to get some ideas @ Arthur, IL comp on what I want...

Balls Casten
09-07-2013, 02:41 PM
With three of ya ... Toy hauler.

Ron_L
09-07-2013, 02:49 PM
What brand/model do you have? I'm hoping to get some ideas @ Arthur, IL comp on what I want...

Cherokee Wolf Pack 19WP

We may be at Arthur. We have to decide this week.

dhuffjr
09-07-2013, 03:53 PM
Toy hauler all the way. With all the upgrades you will do you'll be close to the price. We've used ours camping a ton with the family as well so we get a lot of use out of it.

Smoke'n Ice
09-07-2013, 06:12 PM
Work 'n Play Toy Hauler by Forest River 18LT. 23 end of tongue to back so can cheat into a 20X20. With awning, cooker come out and sit there. Plenty of room for 3 if two can share :twisted: otherwise, talk will occur. Otherwise, bunk sharing on a tag team basis with one being the fire watch. The bath room beat the hell out of porta potties in Texas about 3 in the afternoon.

HarleyGirl14226
09-07-2013, 06:17 PM
Toy Hauler. No question.

We started off with a 7 x 14 cargo trailer - and while we could fit a lot of "stuff" in it, it was a lot of stuff we really didn't need. Which took forever to pack and unpack.

We took a hard look at what we really needed, streamlined it - and then only packed that and the cookers into the new toy hauler we got this year. So much easier to set-up and break down. Nice having running hot water and a bathroom, and a REAL BED!

While it was a big expense, we are so glad we did it. Like dhuffjr says above, we now use it for camping as well - so it's not a one-trick pony.

EMTTLC
09-07-2013, 07:11 PM
Toy hauler, toy hauler, toy hauler. Started out with Motor Home (already had it) and ez ups - not enough storage in the motor home. Moved to pulling a 16' enclosed trailer with the motor home - usually had to have off site parking for motor home. Went to 30' cargo trailer converted to cook trailer with living quarters - really nice, only room for two to sleep, lot of money to convert. Now - fifth wheel toy hauler, can sleep four, garage converted to kitchen, really sweet. Wish I started where I ended up, would have saved a lot of money. Only regret - probably should have gone with a little smaller unit.

cpw
09-07-2013, 07:16 PM
This is a great thread. I've been having the same internal dialogue between an enclosed trailer or a toy hauler. It seems the overwhelming response is toy hauler. The only thing that I'm still being wishy washy about is the occasional vending we do.

jeffturnerjr
09-07-2013, 08:27 PM
Was oblivious to what a toy hauler was. Looked it up....YES GET a TOY HAULER!

nthole
09-07-2013, 09:44 PM
No question, Toy Hauler. You'll spend more outfitting the trailer and it still wont be near as comfortable.

dhuffjr
09-07-2013, 11:59 PM
Only regret - probably should have gone with a little smaller unit.I'm the opposite, I'd like a bigger one. With my neighborhood though the one I have is all I can maneuver around unless I move.

Mine is 26 ft tongue to tail.

EMTTLC
09-08-2013, 12:21 AM
My toy hauler is 42', and we use the tailgate as a platform for the smokers, meaning we need a 50' site. Not cheap, and not available at all comps.

On the vending side, we put a 3' x 4' vending window in ours. The window cost $750 and a local RV repair shop put it in for $100 (I was a little afraid of cutting a huge hole in the side of the trailer myself). It works great for vending and at the comps where space is an issue and we can't leave the tailgate down we put the smokers beside the trailer and use the window to pass things in and out.

Diesel Dave
09-08-2013, 05:36 AM
Yeppers....another vote for going the toy hauler route.

cpw
09-08-2013, 06:32 AM
My toy hauler is 42', and we use the tailgate as a platform for the smokers, meaning we need a 50' site. Not cheap, and not available at all comps.

On the vending side, we put a 3' x 4' vending window in ours. The window cost $750 and a local RV repair shop put it in for $100 (I was a little afraid of cutting a huge hole in the side of the trailer myself). It works great for vending and at the comps where space is an issue and we can't leave the tailgate down we put the smokers beside the trailer and use the window to pass things in and out.

Would you mind posting a pic of your setup? I'd like to see what the vending window looks like.

Big Mike
09-08-2013, 08:04 AM
I'm the opposite, I'd like a bigger one. With my neighborhood though the one I have is all I can maneuver around unless I move.

Mine is 26 ft tongue to tail.

Hey Dennis, I am thinking of getting one myself, but I have to find something I can pull with my 2001 F150 (7500lbs max trailer). I can't remember, what did you get and what do use to pull it?

dhuffjr
09-08-2013, 10:34 AM
Mike,
We have a Rubicon 2100. I'll have to look at the door sticker where it was factory weighed when I go check on it next time. The max weight fully loaded is ~9000 from memory. We have a 2500 6.0 gas but I opted for the 4.10 rear. I can pull a pile but you are probably getting twice the mileage I do. If you are looking at the lighter ones out there be mindful of the cargo capacity, especially the side cargo door ones. They seem to be really low on cargo capacity. Coming to Xenia?

Big Mike
09-08-2013, 10:44 AM
Yea, my cargo shouldn't weigh too much. I am thinking about selling my stumps trailer and going with a Yoder 640 and maybe a 480 as well. The two of those together weigh about 800lbs. I figure if I can find something with at least 1800lbs cargo capacity, I would probably be ok.

An F250 would be nice but I don't think I could fit it in my garage. If I could get a new F150, they have more towing capability but I can probably only swing one or the other.

Yea, I decided this weekend to do Xenia. Actually doing a little practice cook today. Lord knows I need it. I haven't cooked a comp since Xenia last year.

RLTXBBQ
09-08-2013, 07:55 PM
Absolutely the toy hauler, the rest room alone in the middle of the night is worth it. A/c, heater kitchenette ect., much much better no questions.

CBQ
09-08-2013, 09:42 PM
We took a hard look at what we really needed, streamlined it - and then only packed that and the cookers into the new toy hauler we got this year.

..and the Gail-A-Rita cooler :becky:


We went the Toy Hauler RV route (Class A RV with a garage in it), because we would have had to replace our truck, and the truck and toy hauler were about the same price as the Toy Hauler RV. Nice thing about this is...nothing to tow or banish to the parking lot. We need 40', so can't bring it to a 20x20 contest, but most contests aren't doing only 20x20 anymore.

Toy Hauler or Toy Hauler RV. You can install tables and BBQ stuff in a toy hauler more easily than you can install toilets, a shower, a kitchen, and a comfortable bed in a trailer.

HarleyGirl14226
09-09-2013, 05:41 AM
..and the Gail-A-Rita cooler :becky:



That was deemed a necessity!

HookEcho
09-09-2013, 11:12 AM
I was thinking the same route. We started building up an 18 foot car hauler and were over $20k before the toilet even went in.

I looked around and decided to buy a used 6x14 toy hauler with a sink, wet shower/toilet and a side foldout queen that was well in my price range with the ability to get a YS Kingman comp and a YS640 comp in it.

I pick it up on tues.

Ron_L
09-09-2013, 11:23 AM
I was thinking the same route. We started building up an 18 foot car hauler and were over $20k before the toilet even went in.

I looked around and decided to buy a used 6x14 toy hauler with a sink, wet shower/toilet and a side foldout queen that was well in my price range with the ability to get a YS Kingman comp and a YS640 comp in it.

I pick it up on tues.

Which one did you buy?

What's the plan to get the Kingman up the ramp?

HookEcho
09-09-2013, 11:43 AM
Which one did you buy?

What's the plan to get the Kingman up the ramp?

It's a used 2011 Livn-lite VRV 6x14. I'll put a 3000lbs winch in it for the Kingman and add extra tie downs and e track so we don't have an issue like we had after the last comp sat where we had the Kingman break loose and wallow around on the open trailer at 50 mph....I about shat myself

CBQ
09-09-2013, 01:53 PM
I'll put a 3000lbs winch in it for the Kingman and add extra tie downs and e track so we don't have an issue like we had after the last comp sat where we had the Kingman break loose and wallow around on the open trailer at 50 mph....I about shat myself

+1 I would highly recommend e-track for any trailer or toy hauler. We strap everything to it, and nothing moves.

Lots of places have it, here is one I have used:

http://www.uscargocontrol.com/Van-Trailer-Products/E-Track-Straps-Tie-Downs

HarleyGirl14226
09-09-2013, 02:03 PM
+1 I would highly recommend e-track for any trailer or toy hauler. We strap everything to it, and nothing moves.

Lots of places have it, here is one I have used:

http://www.uscargocontrol.com/Van-Trailer-Products/E-Track-Straps-Tie-Downs

US Cargo Control also sells E-Track singles, which are nice for use in your toy hauler when you don't want to have a big piece of metal running down your camper walls (especially when you use it for things other than BBQ - like family camping). Just make sure you know how you want your stuff in the cargo area, and you can install from there.

ShencoSmoke
09-09-2013, 03:42 PM
Here is our set up. We went small so I could pull it with my Tahoe.
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Good size fridge, stand up shower, 3 burner stove, microwave, sink, etc. 2 fold down beds work well even though one is always up to make room for the kitchen table. Best part bout this rig is that I can compete one weekend and camp/hunt the next. Works well for us.
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Big Mike
09-09-2013, 04:18 PM
So far, I have come across a few light weight toy haulers that I can tow with my 2001 F150 Supercrew 4x4. Three of them are from Forest River (Hyperlite 19HFS, Grey Wolf 19RR, Grey Wolf 21RR) and one is a KZ MXT 20.

For some reason, I thought I had a 3.73 rear end, but I only have a 3.55. If I had the 3.73 or a newer truck I would actually have several more options. But, the towing capacity of my older truck isn't quite up to that of todays 1/2 tons.

HookEcho
09-09-2013, 04:31 PM
look at the Livn-lite VRV's, all of them are all Aluminum construction, and all but the big one is under 7000 GWVR, which my 1/2 Dodge 4x4 crew cab can pull (10,000 max).

Big Mike
09-09-2013, 05:54 PM
Thanks, I will check them out

Tiki Wolf
09-10-2013, 06:31 AM
I'm looking at going in the other direction. I have a 26 1/2' toy hauler that extends to 31 feet (back slide out is a king sized bed), but I don't use it for anything else but BBQ. My team is just my wife and I, so we don't need a lot of room. We're thinking about selling it after the season and ordering an Extreme BBQ trailer customized for our needs.

If you're going to use it for other things like camping/hunting, etc., then a toy hauler is the way to go. If it's just for BBQ, get a trailer.

Ron_L
09-10-2013, 06:40 AM
So far, I have come across a few light weight toy haulers that I can tow with my 2001 F150 Supercrew 4x4. Three of them are from Forest River (Hyperlite 19HFS, Grey Wolf 19RR, Grey Wolf 21RR) and one is a KZ MXT 20.

For some reason, I thought I had a 3.73 rear end, but I only have a 3.55. If I had the 3.73 or a newer truck I would actually have several more options. But, the towing capacity of my older truck isn't quite up to that of todays 1/2 tons.

If you can handle the Grey Wolf 19RR or 21RR take a look at the Cherokee Wolf Pack line. There are three or four models in the same weight range. We are very happy with our 19WP.

http://www.forestriverinc.com/ToyHaulerTravelTrailers/WolfPack/Default.aspx?page=floorplans

HarleyGirl14226
09-10-2013, 07:36 AM
There is a new manufacturer out there called Echo RV, and they have a series called Bandit which are lightweight toy haulers. We have the 280 and tow it with our F 150. The only mod we had to make to our truck was install a Timbren Load Booster in the rear suspension to help with the drop.

Since they are a smaller manufacturer, they are willing to customize during production for you (at least according to the co-owner we met at the RV show who sold us ours), and they have dealers all over.

Big Mike
09-10-2013, 04:45 PM
If you can handle the Grey Wolf 19RR or 21RR take a look at the Cherokee Wolf Pack line. There are three or four models in the same weight range. We are very happy with our 19WP.

http://www.forestriverinc.com/ToyHaulerTravelTrailers/WolfPack/Default.aspx?page=floorplans


Thanks Ron. I took a look at the Wolf Pack and I like them. After subtracting the weight of my truck + two adults and some misc items, I figured out the Max Trailer Weight that I could actually pull would be about 6700lbs. I have an older truck so it doesn't have quite the towing capability of the newer F150s.

The 19WPs dry weight (5262) is about 1100lbs more than the Grey Wolf 19RR and about 970lbs more than the 21RR. Once you add in water and about 1450lbs of cargo, it puts the 19WP out of my towing capability.

Big Mike
09-10-2013, 04:45 PM
There is a new manufacturer out there called Echo RV, and they have a series called Bandit which are lightweight toy haulers. We have the 280 and tow it with our F 150. The only mod we had to make to our truck was install a Timbren Load Booster in the rear suspension to help with the drop.

Since they are a smaller manufacturer, they are willing to customize during production for you (at least according to the co-owner we met at the RV show who sold us ours), and they have dealers all over.

Thanks, I will check them out too.

Ron_L
09-10-2013, 04:51 PM
Thanks Ron. I took a look at the Wolf Pack and I like them. After subtracting the weight of my truck + two adults and some misc items, I figured out the Max Trailer Weight that I could actually pull would be about 6700lbs. I have an older truck so it doesn't have quite the towing capability of the newer F150s.

The 19WPs dry weight (5262) is about 1100lbs more than the Grey Wolf 19RR and about 970lbs more than the 21RR. Once you add in water and about 1450lbs of cargo, it puts the 19WP out of my towing capability.

Got it. Don't forget to include any additional equipment on the trailer (awning, tongue jack, etc.) Those aren't in the dry weight from the manufacturer. When I go out later I can look at the sticker on my 19WP just to give you an idea of how it differs from the spec.

LTG
09-10-2013, 05:25 PM
Thanks for the input everyone. I'm going to hold out for the toy hauler. Being able to take a quick shower Sat morning of a contest would be so nice. Not to mention A/C!

Big Mike
09-10-2013, 05:37 PM
Amen!!!!

Big Mike
09-10-2013, 05:38 PM
Got it. Don't forget to include any additional equipment on the trailer (awning, tongue jack, etc.) Those aren't in the dry weight from the manufacturer. When I go out later I can look at the sticker on my 19WP just to give you an idea of how it differs from the spec.

Thanks, I appreciate it.

The quality of the Forest River stuff looks pretty good. When I started looking at prices, I was a bit surprised at what you could get one for.