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bigworm0u812
08-26-2013, 01:22 PM
Is this approach to chicken still good or does judges dislike the idea?

Jacked UP BBQ
08-26-2013, 01:29 PM
I think it was a great idea until myron let it be known. I am not sure about the whole ball of chicken look, but for uniformity, it is a great concept. I would look for another shape beside round.

Scottie
08-26-2013, 03:39 PM
I use heart shaped cupcake pans.... Judges love the new shape. I am experimenting with bundt cake pans now.

DUBBAGA
08-26-2013, 03:45 PM
I use heart shaped cupcake pans.... Judges love the new shape. I am experimenting with bundt cake pans now.

But how big do the boxes need to be to fit 6 of these in there??? :-D

http://iowagirleats.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/BundtPanRoastChicken_01_mini.jpg

Burnita Boy 1
08-26-2013, 06:52 PM
What kind of frosting do you put on a chicken cupcake?

sdbbq1234
08-27-2013, 08:41 PM
To everybody that does not like cupcake chicken, BITE ME! :blah:

To the original post, I have scored straight 9's for appearance with my cupcake product, but for the most part, the taste and tenderness got me. Comments from judges when I got them were: Too dry; burnt bottoms; etc...

I still say that everyone that has their own little preconceived notion that cupcake chicken is crap, I have yet to see any chicken as a judge, or from what others show us at comps that look even remotely close to a thigh.

Since when is a thigh SQUARE???? Since when does a thigh look like a HOT DOG IN A BUN????

I am still looking for those chickens in the stores.

Just goes to show that the judges that have this idea of "cupcake chicken aint good" should NOT be judges.

Please spare me. I do not like thighs to begin with. So, I guess when I judge I should go into the event with the idea that any thighs will get a low score.

NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Be true to what the event is about.

:wacko:

wallace

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08-27-2013, 08:48 PM
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08-27-2013, 08:59 PM
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Naw, too rectangle shape. Doesn't look like thighs........

But I must say, a lot of stuff that people turn in looks like it came from those type molds/pans.

Still, same concept as round molds/pans. No difference.

I am not trying to buck the system, it just pisses me off when people go into a competition as a judge with the idea of, "I am going to hate something or give a low score based on my own personal opinion." Those folks can get the heck out of the judging part.

wallace

Hawg Father of Seoul
08-27-2013, 09:06 PM
Naw, too rectangle shape. Doesn't look like thighs........

But I must say, a lot of stuff that people turn in looks like it came from those type molds/pans.

Still, same concept as round molds/pans. No difference.

I am not trying to buck the system, it just pisses me off when people go into a competition as a judge with the idea of, "I am going to hate something or give a low score based on my own personal opinion." Those folks can get the heck out of the judging part.

wallace

Fair enough. HOWEVER, I would never sacrifice taste or tenderness for appearance. 1 point in taste counts for how many in appearance?

Also, if you turn in chicken balls, they better look good, if they do not.... what have you accomplished.

Big Country BBQ
08-27-2013, 09:25 PM
Naw, too rectangle shape. Doesn't look like thighs........

But I must say, a lot of stuff that people turn in looks like it came from those type molds/pans.

Still, same concept as round molds/pans. No difference.

I am not trying to buck the system, it just pisses me off when people go into a competition as a judge with the idea of, "I am going to hate something or give a low score based on my own personal opinion." Those folks can get the heck out of the judging part.

wallace


WAIT! your saying chicken that looks more like balls than rectangular shaped :wacko:

sdbbq1234
08-27-2013, 09:51 PM
Fair enough. HOWEVER, I would never sacrifice taste or tenderness for appearance. 1 point in taste counts for how many in appearance?

Also, if you turn in chicken balls, they better look good, if they do not.... what have you accomplished.


Agreed, 100%!

WAIT! your saying chicken that looks more like balls than rectangular shaped :wacko:

No, not in any way shape or form (pun intended). :wink:

But to go into a contest as a judge and have the mindset that chicken balls will get a low score, again, I call BS!

I guess my main point of contention is that people (some judges) are actually saying out loud that they will not score cupcake chicken well. Again, that's bologna!!!!

What is the difference of a judge going into a competition with the thought of a product that is sweet will get a low score?

Damn-if-I-know.....

LONG LIVE THE CUPCAKE CHICKEN! :boxing:

wallace

Q-Dat
08-27-2013, 11:29 PM
What kind of frosting do you put on a chicken cupcake?

There's a frosting called Blues Hog Original.......I think its frosting right?

Slamdunkpro
08-28-2013, 09:32 AM
I am not trying to buck the system, it just pisses me off when people go into a competition as a judge with the idea of, "I am going to hate something or give a low score based on my own personal opinion." Those folks can get the heck out of the judging part.

wallace

Get used to it - there is a huge prejudice against muffin pan chicken in the east. It is right? No, Is it there? Yes.

sdbbq1234
08-28-2013, 02:17 PM
Get used to it - there is a huge prejudice against muffin pan chicken in the east. It is right? No, Is it there? Yes.

Yea, yea, yea, I know. Just making a point (over and over) about the judging and prejudice for items.

Now, in anther thread, someone actually cooked "thighs" and they LOOK like thighs. If the glaze was a little better, I'd say that is some of the best looking and tasteful looking chicken I have seen (the cleaned up version)!

http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=169566

wallace

Big Mike
08-28-2013, 06:39 PM
I have no real issue with the shape of cupcake chicken. My main issue is that a lot of the cupcake chicken or chicken cooked in any other shaped container for that matter, is usually cooked in a lot of butter. To me, that becomes braised chicken not bbq chicken.

Alexa RnQ
08-28-2013, 08:47 PM
I have scored straight 9's for appearance with my cupcake product, but for the most part, the taste and tenderness got me. Comments from judges when I got them were: Too dry; burnt bottoms; etc...

I still say that everyone that has their own little preconceived notion that cupcake chicken is crap

Straight 9s refute the notion of any innate prejudice against the product. Poor taste and tenderness scores, comments about dry or burned, well, that's on you.

sdbbq1234
08-28-2013, 09:05 PM
Straight 9s refute the notion of any innate prejudice against the product. Poor taste and tenderness scores, comments about dry or burned, well, that's on you.

Could not agree more! I am replying about others that have said cupcake will get a low score if it hits their table. Heck, our first comp we landed 9th in chicken. Lately, we even got a 9th again in chicken.

My bitch is about judges going into a comp with a mindset of something they like, or dislike. Whether that be "no burnt ends gets a low score", "only 6 ribs gets a low score", etc, etc, etc....

Just doesn't seem to be the place for that.

I'm done; off the soap box on this.

wallace

BABYGOTBUTT
08-29-2013, 09:31 AM
Could not agree more! I am replying about others that have said cupcake will get a low score if it hits their table. Heck, our first comp we landed 9th in chicken. Lately, we even got a 9th again in chicken.

My bitch is about judges going into a comp with a mindset of something they like, or dislike. Whether that be "no burnt ends gets a low score", "only 6 ribs gets a low score", etc, etc, etc....

Just doesn't seem to be the place for that.

I'm done; off the soap box on this.

wallace

Agree. Agree. Agree. We do both cupcake and trapizoid/rectangle. Got 1st place last year in chicken at the Sam Club in NJ using cupcake. Bombed this year (22nd) (picture attached) at Sams Club Comp going "natural". Same flavor profile, tenderness, ect.

bbq.tom
08-29-2013, 09:50 AM
Agree. Agree. Agree. We do both cupcake and trapizoid/rectangle. Got 1st place last year in chicken at the Sam Club in NJ using cupcake. Bombed this year (22nd) (picture attached) at Sams Club Comp going "natural". Same flavor profile, tenderness, ect.

Just curious, if you don't mind sharing, what were your Appearance scores for this box?
IMHO, I think the box might look better with only 6 thighs, without the overlap. Still it looks dad-gum good to me!

BABYGOTBUTT
08-29-2013, 09:54 AM
Just curious, if you don't mind sharing, what were your Appearance scores for this box?
IMHO, I think the box might look better with only 6 thighs, without the overlap. Still it looks dad-gum good to me!


Those are wings on the side. Thighs in the middle.

Scottie
08-29-2013, 11:16 AM
Agree. Agree. Agree. We do both cupcake and trapizoid/rectangle. Got 1st place last year in chicken at the Sam Club in NJ using cupcake. Bombed this year (22nd) (picture attached) at Sams Club Comp going "natural". Same flavor profile, tenderness, ect.



Different table of judges though.....

Because you win a category 3 weeks in a row, does not guarantee anything the next week.

Lake Dogs
08-29-2013, 01:49 PM
Could not agree more! I am replying about others that have said cupcake will get a low score if it hits their table. Heck, our first comp we landed 9th in chicken. Lately, we even got a 9th again in chicken.

My bitch is about judges going into a comp with a mindset of something they like, or dislike. Whether that be "no burnt ends gets a low score", "only 6 ribs gets a low score", etc, etc, etc....

Just doesn't seem to be the place for that.

I'm done; off the soap box on this.

wallace

Actually, Wallace, I think in this particular sentence you said it well; the "judges going into a comp with a mindset...". Judges should ALWAYS keep an open mind. That said, just because something is beautiful doesn't mean that it's appetizing, and conversely something doesn't necessarily have to be beautiful to be appetizing... They should look at it simply and think to themselves "Do I want to hit that, or not". If yes, to what degree, and if not, to what degree, the outcome is the score...

Its a good soapbox. The "every piece has to be symetrical or the exact same size"; where did that come from? It should be "do you want to eat it, or not". Mind you, to some, symetrical is more appealing to their appetite. That's fine and dandy.

bbq.tom
08-29-2013, 02:02 PM
Those are wings on the side. Thighs in the middle.

Obviously. I still contend that the box would look better less jumbled - 6 thighs, not overlapping.

ynotfehc
08-29-2013, 06:40 PM
I think the main goal is uniformity. If you use a muffin pan, loaf pan, bundt pan, butcher twine, or just pack them nicely into a perforated hotel pan and let them hold their own shape, if they look similar it will/should be well received. Ive scored just as well with thighs cooked in pans or straight on the grates as I have with legs. Ive actually switched completely to legs now, because I cook alone and dont have time to spend 10-20min prepping each thigh.

BABYGOTBUTT
08-29-2013, 08:08 PM
Obviously. I still contend that the box would look better less jumbled - 6 thighs, not overlapping.

Getting a little off topic here but the appearance scores for this box are as follows: 8 9 9 9 8 9. Don't think it was appearance that killed me in chicken on this one. Looked up my appearance scores for last year for the 1st place (cupcake) chicken and they were 9 9 8 8 9 9. So for this sample size it appears (pardon the pun) that whether cupcake or no cupcake, score for appearance did not change.

8BitBBQ
09-03-2013, 04:37 PM
I'm pretty sure my Cubism experiment is the wave of the future for chicken...
:heh:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q82/s720x720/993607_476610339095778_1709800594_n.jpg

We have been turning in cupcake chicken with an average appearance score of 8.67 (2@8 and 4@9) in each of our first three competitions. We had considered changing, but it's hard to argue with both the high scores and the consistency of the scores.

cynfulsmokersbbq
09-04-2013, 10:57 AM
Agree. Agree. Agree. We do both cupcake and trapizoid/rectangle. Got 1st place last year in chicken at the Sam Club in NJ using cupcake. Bombed this year (22nd) (picture attached) at Sams Club Comp going "natural". Same flavor profile, tenderness, ect.

What is going "natural" mean?

Thanks

bbq.tom
09-04-2013, 01:00 PM
What is going "natural" mean?


Less triming and do not put them in a mold.