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Timmy Mac
07-15-2013, 12:58 PM
I'm looking at a 2500. It has a 3.42 rear. Is this good or not? I'm asking cause I don't know, have a 1500 and the gas mileage sucks. Thanks for any help!

Teamfour
07-15-2013, 01:17 PM
How much does the trailer weigh?

roksmith
07-15-2013, 01:26 PM
It may improve some, but don't expect huge savings. Your trailer is big and a 2500 will last longer pulling it. Don't know what you normally get, but our trip this past weekend across the state we averaged 8.2 mpg.

Timmy Mac
07-15-2013, 02:03 PM
Yeah I'm getting 8.5. I'm looking at the diesel 6.7. Trailer with smoker probably around 4-4100 and if I load the other smoker another 6-700lbs. I usually just take 1 smoker though thanks.

roksmith
07-15-2013, 03:11 PM
You will probably get better mileage with the diesel. Our trailer is about on par with yours for weight, but our 2500 has the hemi in it. I'd imagine it will cruise pretty effortlessly with the diesel. Pick it up before Chesapeake and let us know how it does on that trip :-)

Pappy Q
07-15-2013, 03:23 PM
Yeah I'm getting 8.5. I'm looking at the diesel 6.7. Trailer with smoker probably around 4-4100 and if I load the other smoker another 6-700lbs. I usually just take 1 smoker though thanks.

I have a 2012 Ford f-250 with the diesel and pull a 14k 5th wheel and I've been getting 10-11mpg and that's in the TN/NC mountains. It's a towing machine.

postalpig
07-15-2013, 03:24 PM
Does the trailer have brakes? I always worry more about stopping than pulling!!:shock:

Timmy Mac
07-15-2013, 03:42 PM
Does the trailer have brakes? I always worry more about stopping than pulling!!:shock:

Yup 2 5000lb axles with brakes.

sdbbq1234
07-15-2013, 05:05 PM
How timely this topic came up as I am looking for a newer, or heavier duty tow vehicle. We have a 2004 Chevy 1500 extended cab with 120k miles on it. I have begun to notice that it is just not towing as "effortlessly" as it used to. We have a 28' travel trailer and it is started to strain when towing it. I also notice just towing the 5x8 U-Hauls for comps that it is not towing as well.

I just asked my mechanic Saturday if there was anything I cold do to help the Chevy, he said not really as I keep it tuned up and running with good tires, front end aligned, etc....

He showed me his tow truck that he uses for towing his race car. He has a 2001 Chevy 2500 Diesel. He tows a 40', 3 axle trailer that holds his Corvette, tools, sleeping area, etc... That trailer is HUGE! He gets about 11-12 mpg and that is towing up and down the hills in Western VA. Without the trailer, he gets 23 mpg.

That is starting to convince me to trade up for a more heavier duty tow truck.

wallace

trohrs123
07-15-2013, 06:22 PM
My 2011 F150 Lariat Limited 6.2 L is rated to tow 11,000 lbs...my trailer is 4060 and I average 10.5 mpg

NRA4Life
07-16-2013, 12:13 PM
I'm getting between 8 and 9 mpg pulling my 8.5x20 trailer with my 5.7L Tundra.

Timmy Mac
07-16-2013, 01:33 PM
I'm getting between 8 and 9 mpg pulling my 8.5x20 trailer with my 5.7L Tundra.

Yeah this is why I'm looking at a diesel.

TailGateJoecom
07-16-2013, 03:16 PM
Yeah this is why I'm looking at a diesel.

I have a7x16 haulmark and pull it with a 2011 dodge ram 1500 with 3.55 and a hemi. The weight is usually between 4000-6000lbs. It is well within my weight rating and the truck handles the weight fine, but I get between 6 to 8 mpg. I have towed up to 1,200 miles from NY to FL. I am considering jumping to a 2500 diesel as a 2500 gasser would not give me much if any mpg savings, but my issue is diesel fuel cost when NOT towing as this is an everyday vehicle for me.

Pelkster
07-16-2013, 05:27 PM
I tow my 6x10 Haulmark with my 6-cyl Ford Escape. I estimate the trailer loaded is about 3000-4000 lbs. Last summer I drove it from Buffalo to New Paltz and averaged 12 mpg round trip. My car didn't appreciate the Catskills though lol. She was a screamin' at me!

4uweque
07-16-2013, 05:38 PM
Just upgrading to a 2500 will get a much safer towing situation but won't get any better mileage unless you get the diesel. The diesel is the ultimate because it will last longer, use less fuel and have plenty of power as well. The one problem is diesel itself is normally 30 to 50 cents per gallon more and the initial cost of the truck will be a lot more than a similar truck with a gas engine, but will have better resale value. Only you can weigh the pluses and minuses and decide if you'll tow enough to justify the costs.

BBQ Bandit
07-16-2013, 05:39 PM
12-14 MPG (2007 Chevy Silverado Duramax + 8.5 X 20 trailer)

sdbbq1234
07-16-2013, 06:13 PM
I am really, really starting to believe that a diesel is the way to go for towing. Our travel trailer, plus the cap for the bed, plus the added extra weight for camping stuff (food, water, BEER, etc...) is really pushing the limit of a gas + higher rear end gears vehicle.

Most people I talk to about this say a diesel (2500, 250) type vehicle say it is almost effortlessly towing. Especially, up and and down hilly terrain.

Now, if I could just get those winning lottery ticket numbers to pay for an upgrade.................... :wacko:

wallace

mule265
07-16-2013, 06:28 PM
I have a 2004 chevy 2500 with the 6.0L vortec and 4:10 rear end. Towing a 4600lb boat I get 10-11mpg and it does tow effortlessly. I have never wanted a diesel because my gasser tows just fine and with the increased cost of fuel and maintenance with a diesel I don't see the savings. That said I don't put a ton of miles on the truck. It only has 93000 miles on it. If you are a high milage driver I say go diesel, if not I think a 3/4 ton with a good rear end and a gas engine is a better option. IMHO

Muzzlebrake
07-16-2013, 09:32 PM
diesel will typically give you much better milage when towing. My 05 Ram 2500 gets about 9 MPG when towing my trailer and about 13 when not. Im looking at Sprinter type vans for my next vehicle. They typically get 22-25 when not towing and 18-20 when towing up to 5000 pounds. Candy Weaver recently posted she gets 22 MPG towing her Jambo behind a Sprinter RV.

sdbbq1234
07-16-2013, 10:10 PM
Ok, am I lucky? I tow our 28' travel trailer, about 6,000lbs and get about 11-12 mpg? That is without the air conditioning running.

wallace

CivilWarBBQ
07-17-2013, 02:41 AM
Nothing beats a diesel for sheer grunt and longevity. Because of the higher cost of everything (purchase, fuel, parts, service) the total cost of ownership will probably be about the same over the years though, *if* you use the truck as a passenger vehicle too.

If the majority of your miles will be pulling and hauling, diesel will definitely save you money over the long haul. That's why there are no gas powered big rigs hauling freight.

BigBellyBBQ
07-17-2013, 02:59 AM
F 350 Powerstroke, truck / camper weigh 10,500 tow 25 ft bbq trailer ==
9.5 to 11 mpg total weight about 21,000

Rich Parker
07-17-2013, 05:40 AM
I get 10 - 11 mpg with my F350 diesel and 20' trailer (6000lb). That's cruising 70.

Mad About Que
07-17-2013, 06:49 AM
Yeah I'm getting 8.5. I'm looking at the diesel 6.7. Trailer with smoker probably around 4-4100 and if I load the other smoker another 6-700lbs. I usually just take 1 smoker though thanks.

for that weight, any full size pick up will work. Our 2010 F-150 is rated for 9600. we tow a small camper and fully loaded (all our crap and us) it's just over 5000. don't even notice it's back there. I really liked to Toyota's pulling power and comfort. we were between one of those and the ford. then we realized that the 'Yota didn't have power windows. what is this 1972? Fords in the driveway.

If you're looking to get a lot of towing power for future possibilities, my neighbor has a 2500 HD. rated at like 15-16k, not a dually or diesel. but his is manly truck. 'SHE' didn't want that sort of a truck as 'SHE' drives it most of the time. Also at comps, 'SHE' is a huge help in making sure the area looks cool. especially at ones that are all blind. go figure, 'SHE's a bit visual. silly women.

Kave Dweller
07-17-2013, 08:13 AM
We pull a 18' enclosed atlas trailer that is 4400 empty, 1ton Dodge with a Cummings, we got 15.7mpg to and from the sam's club a couple weeks ago. You just have to drive it like your towing a trailer not like you drive daily (for me anyway).

dhuffjr
07-17-2013, 10:14 AM
Nothing beats a diesel for sheer grunt and longevity. Because of the higher cost of everything (purchase, fuel, parts, service) the total cost of ownership will probably be about the same over the years though, *if* you use the truck as a passenger vehicle too.

If the majority of your miles will be pulling and hauling, diesel will definitely save you money over the long haul. That's why there are no gas powered big rigs hauling freight.
What he said.

I drive my truck to work and out and about when the wife's car is not available. Bought a crew cab for the kids. Doing the math on mpg of gas vs diesel I calculated it would by 7-8 years before I saved on fuel expense vs increased cost of the diesel engine. You can go back and forth on forums with folks about how diesels cost more to maintain vs others who say they don't. The majority of the time I don't tow so I bought the gas 6.0 2500 with the 4.10. My mileage sucks pulling our toy hauler but that is the price to play.

We've gone to Florida from Ohio a couple times and to DC across Virginia and WV. Zero problems towing through moutains/hills. I drive with the cruise set and go at 62. We usually pass all kinds of people in all kinds of trucks with trailers going up mountains and the engine isn't red lined to have the fools go blasting past us on the way down. Going up grades the engine is revved up more than a diesel would be but I figure it is just the throaty roar of the engine doing what it was built to do.

Either way have fun with your new truck. I've enjoyed mine.

Mahoney86
07-17-2013, 11:16 AM
Diesels are the way to go if you want to tow heavy weight and get food MPG. However, do your math on the cost of diesel per gallon and the cost to pay for the diesel engine upgrade. I have always had diesel trucks and while Im on the market searching for a new truck Im starting to way the options. A diesel engine is a $8-10k upgrade and that upgrade value pretty much stays with the value of the truck forever (both good and bad) what I mean is if youre looking at a 2006 f250 gas and a used 2006 f250 diesel you can probably swing the gasser for 10k while the diesel youll be looking at 18-20k... And you will be paying around $1 more per gallon for diesel over gas.

I tow my snowmobile trailer upstate NY every weekend with my diesel 302 miles one way. Diesel takes 27gallons and costs roughly $100 to fill. I will get up there on about 3/4 of a tank rough 16mpg or so and I will tow effortlessly at 70-75mph. Just for giggles I took my chevy 1500 up there one weekend about $75 to fill. Used about 1 1/4 tanks worth of gas going up, so say $100 for the trip up. Truck has a difficult time over 70 with the trailer but it does it. So overall essentially the same cost of fuel on the way up. I burned more gas with less mpg but diesel costs more. Also its a $40k truck vs a $60k truck... That is my only problem with diesels today is the cost of fuel. If you want to haul ass and tow anything and $ is not an issue go for it! But in my opinion unless youre towing a huge 40' race car trailer or heavy equipment a diesel really is not needed, however I use my diesel as a daily driver so what do I know!

CivilWarBBQ
07-18-2013, 06:02 AM
Mahoney makes a good point about resale value. Ten year old diesel trucks sell for a lot more than the same truck with a gas motor.

Put another way, you can get a brand new gas truck and an 8 year old diesel for about the same money. Of course the diesel plant is good for about a million miles of service, the gasser maybe a third of that. So there it is again: if you need to pull heavy for many years to come, get a diesel. For utility around town and occasional towing, get a gas engine.

BigBellyBBQ
07-18-2013, 06:13 AM
no war with civil, he is right on the money..
I lost 2 -4 miles per gal when I went with big ars tires, the rolling resistance killed fuel mileage, however truck looks great and loves to run over them toy outahs

dwfisk
07-18-2013, 07:12 AM
F350 diesel King Ranch 4 door cab (not dually): 17-18 mpg all day long with no trailer or my "little smoking trailer"; 12-14 mpg hauling the boat, cattle trailer or 15,000 pound heavy equipment trailer. At least with my Ford, clean full synthetic oil (I use Rotella T6) & religious maintenance are absolute keys, without it mpg goes in the dumper by at least -25%.