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Theresa B
07-03-2013, 07:30 PM
Looking into options to Smithfield pork products. Anybody have suggestions?

jasonjax
07-03-2013, 07:34 PM
Out of curiosity is this what piqued your curiosity or just coincidence?

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/30/news/la-ol-chinese-buy-american-pork-producer-20130530

wmaes47
07-03-2013, 07:38 PM
I would turn to others...

Smithfield was purchased by a Chinese company...

Porky
07-03-2013, 07:43 PM
IBP or Swift, I have seen both at Costco this sat weekend however they still carry Smithfield that I will try to avoid. I feel the same way you do on this subject.

deguerre
07-03-2013, 07:46 PM
We have Prarie Fresh in Memphis. They're out of Shawnee Mission, Kansas.

http://www.seaboardfoods.com/PrairieFresh/Product-ViewBrand/Index.htm

I like this brand.

jmoney7269
07-03-2013, 07:54 PM
Farmland natural for us!
Ibp if I can't find farmland.

Theresa B
07-03-2013, 08:38 PM
Jasonjax- I am pissed off at how Paula Dean was fired as their spokesperson. The article sure did have an impact also.

Tack
07-03-2013, 08:47 PM
Just an FYI IBP is owned by Tyson

nucornhusker
07-03-2013, 08:51 PM
You can find good Hormel pork, but you have to watch out for the "Always Tender" stuff. Not good.

buttburnersbbq
07-04-2013, 06:43 AM
I buy Farmland now. Every since smithfield got bought out . There quality has tanked . There butts don't even look like butt as they are so butcher and hacked up in the package .

dwfisk
07-04-2013, 06:54 AM
Jasonjax- I am pissed off at how Paula Dean was fired as their spokesperson. The article sure did have an impact also.

^+1!
I'm not even a PD fan but this PC BS (boy, that's a bunch of code-talk) just pisses me off. I generally use IBP or Farmland and have always been happy with either. Just after the Chinese deal I bought some Smithfield butts, packaged 2 per cryo, 15.6#, nominal 8# each. One was like 11# and the 4#-5# and both were hacked up to the point they were a PITA to cook!

K-Train
07-04-2013, 07:03 AM
D'Artagnan has boneless berkshire butts.

jasonjax
07-04-2013, 07:34 AM
Good info here. I used to start my channel surfing on the FN and go from there. Not anymore. That channel has been expunged from my house. Sounds like Smithfield pork needs to be as well.

Market Hunter
07-04-2013, 08:07 AM
Smithfields owns Farmland too. I learned this in a discussion with a Smithfield's east coast rep for fresh pork.

I wish we had Seaboard products here in NC more often. IBP has good pork products. We are lucky to have some other options in NC like Heritage Farms or my local Abattoir.

cameraman
07-04-2013, 08:38 AM
Just to be clear Jasonjax you're pissed because FN made a decision that would save them from losing significant ad revenues and pissing off a big part of their audience? And they should have done that to keep a woman who is sick from eating her own food, runs a crappy restaurant and allows her managers to comport themselves in a manner that would have them fired from any company in the US that a serious HR office? I agree these decisions are frequently made too quickly and without enough information. I don't see how that's the case here though. OOOps we're in N&P territory. Sorry officer.

jasonjax
07-04-2013, 10:42 AM
Just to be clear Jasonjax you're pissed because FN made a decision that would save them from losing significant ad revenues and pissing off a big part of their audience? And they should have done that to keep a woman who is sick from eating her own food, runs a crappy restaurant and allows her managers to comport themselves in a manner that would have them fired from any company in the US that a serious HR office? I agree these decisions are frequently made too quickly and without enough information. I don't see how that's the case here though. OOOps we're in N&P territory. Sorry officer.

I'm not going to get into a debate here on whether your revenue and other assumptions are legitimate, but I will say I am annoyed with PC run amuck in this country. We ALL say things we shouldn't at times that do not define our entire character, but if it brings sensationalism to the press it will be grabbed ahold of and ridden into the ground.

I feel sorry for the multiple employees making a living based on her franchise that are now out of a job because of this being blown out of proportion.

Admittedly, I have limited information on the totality of the concerns, but based on what I've heard I have made my conclusions.

I have no idea what your last two sentences refer to.

cameraman
07-04-2013, 11:24 AM
No need to worry about her employees. Folks are lined up out the door these days.

little bit of r & r
07-04-2013, 11:52 AM
Seriously you want to cook seaboard? They are disgusting old sow pigs, I cook ibp

shirknwrk
07-05-2013, 12:40 AM
Don't know about Virginia but here in KC, I get locally raised and processed pork from 3 different independent butcher shops (Bichelmeyers, Paradise Locker Meats and the Local Pig) I'd try looking for an independent, local butcher... It may be a drive... if you can find one. (Once drove 40 mi. one way to get brisket points, but that's another story)

Market Hunter
07-05-2013, 08:27 AM
Seriously you want to cook seaboard? They are disgusting old sow pigs, I cook ibp

I like big butts.

dwfisk
07-05-2013, 10:44 AM
Well said. From a previous life I'm well aware of large organizations (+900) with professional HR functions (I was the decision point for HR type investigations) and one thing I do know is professionals do not make decisions that impact peoples' lives on incomplete or innacurate information - least of all accusations (or pointed questions from a deposition) of lawyer (an advocate) or an alleged aggrieved party. Making decisions based on preconceived stereo types is unprofessional and absurd.
I'm not going to get into a debate here on whether your revenue and other assumptions are legitimate, but I will say I am annoyed with PC run amuck in this country. We ALL say things we shouldn't at times that do not define our entire character, but if it brings sensationalism to the press it will be grabbed ahold of and ridden into the ground.

I feel sorry for the multiple employees making a living based on her franchise that are now out of a job because of this being blown out of proportion.

Admittedly, I have limited information on the totality of the concerns, but based on what I've heard I have made my conclusions.

I have no idea what your last two sentences refer to.

Fat Woody
07-05-2013, 03:31 PM
A quick Google search turned up this place in Chesapeake and it looks like they know how to work with BBQ teams:

http://www.centralmeats.com/index.asp

I agree with shirknwrk, if you can find a few places like this, they are worth driving to.

landarc
07-05-2013, 03:38 PM
Again, to be clear, the deal with China has not happened and can not happen until approved by Congress. So the crappy pork you are getting from Smithfield, is all Smithfield and has nothing to do with Chinese ownership.

That being said, I stopped buying Smithfield a while ago, because all I ever got was badly cut meat from the places that carried it out here. I go to Cash and Carry for all of my pork needs, and I believe it is largely IBP or Prairie Fresh. Sometimes it is unmarked, but, that is because they are breaking food service cases for smaller sales.

On edit: when I am cooking for myself or close friends and family, I buy local pastured pork, but, it is pricey. For anything else, I go with the above.

Teamfour
07-05-2013, 03:55 PM
I thought pigs produced pork? :razz:

landarc
07-05-2013, 04:22 PM
No, we get pork that is grown on soy plants now, could you try and keep up?

Teamfour
07-05-2013, 04:50 PM
Again, to be clear, the deal with China has not happened and can not happen until approved by Congress.


I may not know about pork from soy plants, but I do know that Congress doesn't need to approve the sale. The Committee on Foreign Investments in the US (CFIUS) needs to approve the sale. It is not a congressional committee - it is a government committee with membership from several bureaus with Treasury being the chair. I deal with these folks often since they need to approve the sale of interests in offshore oil companies to countries like China.

Did I redeem myself? :bow:

cameraman
07-05-2013, 05:33 PM
Well said. From a previous life I'm well aware of large organizations (+900) with professional HR functions (I was the decision point for HR type investigations) and one thing I do know is professionals do not make decisions that impact peoples' lives on incomplete or innacurate information - least of all accusations (or pointed questions from a deposition) of lawyer (an advocate) or an alleged aggrieved party. Making decisions based on preconceived stereo types is unprofessional and absurd.

While I honestly agree with you in principle, I believe Bubba's propensity for watching porn at work within eyesight of employees is undisputed. What HR department would tolerate that. A better example of someone being ridden roughshod over would be Shirley Sherrod who was fired by the head of the department of agriculture without an investigation on the basis of a totally bogus, deceptively edited hatchet job of a video.

bbq.tom
07-06-2013, 09:23 AM
We get our pigs and shoulders from "Nahunta" here in central NC.

You should be able to find pork producers locally, just contact your state pork council (or national pork council if you can't find info on a state council).

gmag
07-06-2013, 02:43 PM
Hormel :-D

dwfisk
07-06-2013, 03:41 PM
The Chinese deal really does not bother me any more than US investments in "foreign companies". I quit using Smithfield because of the irregular sized cuts and butcher job (pun intended), for me I think the announcement of the Chinese deal was just a coincidence of timing while the quality of the produce was on my mind.
Again, to be clear, the deal with China has not happened and can not happen - - -

Theresa B
07-06-2013, 03:56 PM
Fat Woody- Central Meats in Chesapeake is where I've been getting my prime briskets ($4.29lb) for comps. They are very good about letting me go "in the back" to select what I want. I will be talking to my contact there about their pork products.

landarc
07-06-2013, 04:08 PM
I may not know about pork from soy plants, but I do know that Congress doesn't need to approve the sale. The Committee on Foreign Investments in the US (CFIUS) needs to approve the sale. It is not a congressional committee - it is a government committee with membership from several bureaus with Treasury being the chair. I deal with these folks often since they need to approve the sale of interests in offshore oil companies to countries like China.

Did I redeem myself? :bow:
Well, that was going to be too much for me to understand, so I made a crack about soy pork. :wacko: