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Chenernator
03-13-2013, 10:32 PM
So the World Food Championships (Las Vegas) have posted their dates as Oct 31-Nov 3. Those are essentially the same dates (Oct 31-Nov 2) as Smoke on the Water's USA BBQ Championship at the Riverside Casino (Laughlin).

Doesn't this seem like an unnecessary conflict, especially considering the overlap in potential competitors? Which one would you go to?

rooftop bbq
03-14-2013, 01:24 AM
Ya I wish the USA championship would change the date, since I have a catering job that day anyways

Smoke'n Ice
03-14-2013, 08:22 AM
Actually, the WFC occurred last year on basically the same dates as this year and they also announced that they would be back this year. Maybe Ron should have looked at what was going on prior to his decision. He'll get competitors but maybe not the caliber that he expected.

Actually which sounds better: Dear, lets go to Las Vegas for our vacation or Dear, Lets go to Laughlin for our vacation?

arrowhead
03-14-2013, 08:30 AM
Actually, the WFC occurred last year on basically the same dates as this year and they also announced that they would be back this year. Maybe Ron should have looked at what was going on prior to his decision. He'll get competitors but maybe not the caliber that he expected.

Actually which sounds better: Dear, lets go to Las Vegas for our vacation or Dear, Lets go to Laughlin for our vacation?

with a $100,000 purse in laughlin, i don't think the quality of competitors will be an issue.

ThomEmery
03-14-2013, 08:31 AM
Interesting weekend to be sure

SCSmoke
03-14-2013, 09:28 AM
With free entry and hotel I would bet all of the TOY leaders will be in Laughlin.

luckyduk
03-14-2013, 11:01 AM
if Ron doesn't cancel this event......:oops: oops I didn't say that

Big Poppa
03-14-2013, 11:48 AM
They both are a little different. Having cooked at both last year I will go to Laughlin

big matt
03-14-2013, 12:20 PM
Yep this is a no brainer for us..Hmm let's see GC is a truck with 100,000 payout and KCBS points Vs chance for 10,000,no points,turn ins drug out over two days and an almost zero chance to win the whole thing..SOTW all the way.

Smoke'n Ice
03-19-2013, 06:43 PM
with a $100,000 purse in laughlin, i don't think the quality of competitors will be an issue.

Where is this posted?? Looked at the KCBS website and nothing of interest is there. Do we take Ronnies word that he has the big bucks? Hopefully he will have a NV business license by then!

arrowhead
03-19-2013, 08:04 PM
Where is this posted?? Looked at the KCBS website and nothing of interest is there. Do we take Ronnies word that he has the big bucks? Hopefully he will have a NV business license by then!

on their facebook page. enjoy vegas.

Smoke'n Ice
03-19-2013, 08:50 PM
on their facebook page. enjoy vegas.

Actually, I was looking at doing this one because of the money. Just doing a bit of looking and really did not find anything on verifiable web sites. So do the judges, cooks and guarantees come from facebook? Did facebook do the one cancelled at the end of the month as well? Man, anything can be said on facebook but! I need a bit more than this to invest money and time.

ThomEmery
03-19-2013, 08:57 PM
Thom I am at business dinner.


Can somebody reply that Ronnie's word is Golden.
We have produced two $100,000 events one $125,00 events and multiple $50,000 events. We had one bad experience and have never canceled an event before. In fact, at Michigan during a NASCAR event I went in knowing I was going to lose $50,000 but against everybody's advice I did not cancel. We have not sanctioned the event because I'm producing several. $350 for each adds up. We pick and choose when it's time to spend that money.

Thanks for your interest

Ron Cates

JD McGee
03-19-2013, 09:54 PM
We are going to Laughlin as well! We cooked the WFC last year...not our idea of what a bbq competition is all about.

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Hawg Father of Seoul
03-19-2013, 10:34 PM
I want to thank Ron and every organizer out there. I am hoping to make in to Laughlin. Yeah I want a shot at winning big.

ThomEmery
03-19-2013, 11:29 PM
So the World Food Championships (Las Vegas) have posted their dates as Oct 31-Nov 3. Those are essentially the same dates (Oct 31-Nov 2) as Smoke on the Water's USA BBQ Championship at the Riverside Casino (Laughlin).

Doesn't this seem like an unnecessary conflict, especially considering the overlap in potential competitors? Which one would you go to?

My hope is the schedule can be worked out so cooking BOTH is a available option

WhiskeyBentBBQ
03-20-2013, 10:50 AM
We also hope that things get worked out to where we can cook both as we are fortunate enough to have already qualified for the WFC and we like to cook as many SOTW events as possible especially with the $100k payout.

As far as the shots taken at Ronnie and the Cates family, I personally think that they are very off base. I don't see many contest organizers spending the time and resources to put the planning and logistics in place to run these type of world class events multiple times a year. Ronnie is the first and only one to bring these type of payouts to the BBQ world on a consistent basis. In the event management business....SH*T happens. Haven't you never heard of a concert or conference being cancelled due to unforeseen circumstances. As soon as they knew of the issue, they owned it, cancelled it and returned everyone's money. Seems pretty much on the up and up to me. In the future, why not judge a person's whole body of work before taking one incident and tearing at their credibility!

Ron Cates
03-20-2013, 11:47 AM
To clarify, Smoke on the Water did not cancel Silverton. They did. We do not post anything until we have an executed contract, which we had back in January.

This is all new to us. We have given away over a million dollars since our first competition and have never canceled an event. Nobody has ever questioned our integrity.

The USA Barbecue Championship is at Don Laughlin's Riverside Resort November 1 - 2. You do not need a Nevada business license to promote. This will be our fifth event in the state without a license. For whatever reason, the Silverton decided we needed a license two weeks before the event and it takes 45 days to process the paperwork.

As far as the WFC goes, we do our homework. I personally spoke with the organizers and we both decided our dates do not conflict. In fact, the barbecue for WFC is over on Thursday. Teams will have the option and convenience of just traveling an hour from Vegas to compete at the USA Barbecue Championship. That and the fact after an extensive survey of teams, we found the WFC format does not appeal to the majority of them. Que is all we do! So the date was never an issue with us.

The 2014 Silverado Twin Cab Pickup Truck is being donated by our presenting sponsor, Findlay Motors, which is located across the river in Bullhead City, AZ.

The USA Barbecue Championship will be sanctioned next month. We promote several events and are well known in the barbecue world. As a business, we are like everybody else, we want to hold onto our money as long as we can. $350 to sanction an event that does not take place until November 11 months out is not necessary.That's why you do not see the event on the KCBS website. Our Facebook page along with our website has been sufficient for making announcements before the sanctioning process is completed.

If anybody ever has questions about an event, please feel free to contact me at anytime. Our website is www.smokeonthewaterbbq.com (http://www.smokeonthewaterbbq.com) and includes all the contact information you need to reach me. We are very easy to get in touch with and you can get the word straight from the horses mouth instead of reading gossip on a forum.

We appreciate all the teams out there and have tried to grow this sport to have big pay days for all the effort and expense those that compete go through. Good luck to everybody on the barbecue trail and hope to see you all in Laughlin.

big matt
03-20-2013, 12:04 PM
Thanks for the info Ron..it's much better coming from you than from Tarzan..thank you.

Muzzlebrake
03-20-2013, 12:17 PM
My biggest complaint about Ronnie and SOTW is they don't do anything here in the Northeast........( and since things get distorted on the net, please understand that was a joke)
still working on the courage to see if the wife would like to spend our anniversary in Laughlin this year! Sounds like another great Smoke On The Water event.

Ron Cates
03-20-2013, 12:38 PM
LOL.....we get the joke brother! We are working on the Northeast for 2014 season.

WarPigBBQ
03-20-2013, 01:07 PM
Ron I think Texas should be your next stop! Houston to be exact ;)

JD McGee
03-20-2013, 02:21 PM
My biggest complaint about Ronnie and SOTW is they don't do anything here in the Northeast........( and since things get distorted on the net, please understand that was a joke)
still working on the courage to see if the wife would like to spend our anniversary in Laughlin this year! Sounds like another great Smoke On The Water event.

Or the Northwest...:D. Lot's of casinos up here Ronnie...hint...hint! :cool: see ya in Laughlin!

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Pig Headed
03-20-2013, 04:38 PM
LOL.....we get the joke brother! We are working on the Northeast for 2014 season.

Ron, does this mean AC is off for June?

Ron Cates
03-20-2013, 05:53 PM
Atlantic City is still working on the date. June was their first choice but now they have a PBR event they would like us to partner with. We're still discussing options. More details to come soon.

JeffMorris
03-20-2013, 09:35 PM
Just wanted to pop in here real quick to clarify a couple things about WFC. While I'm sure intentions are all good, there's a bit of misinformation here about our event. Yes, we're excited about coming back to the Vegas Strip this year and looking forward to putting on another fun event with some new exciting opportunities as well. We made our official announcements on the dates last week, keep an eye out over the next 10 or so days for even more details about this year's competition. You can always find updates on worldfoodchampionships.com

Ron we'll reach out to you offline and clear up any confusion.

Big Poppa
03-20-2013, 10:02 PM
Ronnie I had two problems with Laughlin...first one was Quau...(they got GC) Second problem is the RGC trophies didnt fit too well in the mobile command center they were to big...... we had to have one stick out the window into the other lane....other than that we are good! hahahaha

speers90
03-20-2013, 10:11 PM
Ronnie I had two problems with Laughlin...first one was Quau...(they got GC) Second problem is the RGC trophies didnt fit too well in the mobile command center they were to big...... we had to have one stick out the window into the other lane....other than that we are good! hahahaha

Must suck to have those problems! :grin:

Iamarealbigdog
03-21-2013, 10:40 AM
The USA Barbecue Championship is at Don Laughlin's Riverside Resort November 1 - 2...<snip>

As far as the WFC goes, we do our homework. I personally spoke with the organizers and we both decided our dates do not conflict. In fact, the barbecue for WFC is over on Thursday. <snip>


It appears that the WFC official dates are scheduled Thurs Oct 31 - Sunday Nov 3, same as last year. Does that not still make a conflict between the two events. :doh:

While the schedule has not been posted, I can not see the entire bbq division starting Thursday and finishing Thursday but what the heck do I know. As a reference it was Thursday/Friday and Friday/Saturday last year with a winner announced Saturday evening.

I have cooked events under both organizers and BOTH do a top noch job.


Mike

Ron Cates
03-21-2013, 12:07 PM
Mike, You are correct on dates. I'm actually speaking with the WFC organizers now after it was brought to my attention. They are supposed to get clarification on actual dates and times for the barbecue competition today or tomorrow. I misunderstood our earlier conversations and in no way speak for the WFC. This issue will be worked out to benefit both organizations. Announcements to be coming soon.

benjet
03-22-2013, 01:23 PM
Quote from Mike McCloud (MMA) on FB -

WFC has MOVED our championship dates by ONE WEEK. We are now going to kick off our 2013 event on Nov 6 and produce our Final Table on Nov 10th.

We believe this is a very important change for numerous reasons. First, our weekend will no longer coincide or conflict with the other big events in Terlingua, TX, or Laughlin, NV. We understand (and want to support) the fact that many teams want to participate in those great events as well as ours. So we have worked hard to make the necessary arrangements for our event to be moved by one week, and we hope our competitive friends will be supportive and happy about that development.

Iamarealbigdog
03-22-2013, 01:46 PM
Ok so might as well do both if the opportunity arises, that makes the 2,000 mile trip a little more cost effective


Good job on co-operation between events.....


Mike

Black Pig BBQ

Ron Cates
03-22-2013, 02:19 PM
That was the announcement we were holding up on. Guess it's official now. We worked together with the WFC organizers in trying to find a solution that was best for everybody. They very generously offered to move their event date. Our goal now is to have all the WFC competitors come to the USA Barbecue Championship for the big money and 2014 Silverado Twin Cab Pickup and one last practice round before shuffling down to Vegas the next week. Let the flames begin.

CBQ
03-22-2013, 08:14 PM
Or the Northwest...:D. Lot's of casinos up here Ronnie...hint...hint! :cool: see ya in Laughlin!

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Ya, but I am not sure they want to have the contest at a bowling alley or Chinese restaurant. :becky:

(Washington will give ANYONE a casino license...lol)

landarc
03-22-2013, 08:18 PM
No, Chris, in the NorthWet, all the casinos are on reservations. All manner of special rules apply.

CBQ
03-22-2013, 09:48 PM
No, Chris, in the NorthWet, all the casinos are on reservations. All manner of special rules apply.

I lived in Seattle for year. There are (were?) about 150 casinos in WA, and about 20 are Native American. You can't turn around without hitting a casino. Eighteen in Seattle, 3 in tiny (pop 20,000) Mountlake Terrace (http://mltnews.com/mini-casino-reopening-soon-in-mlt/), where I worked.

My examples sound fake, but they aren't. The Great Wall in Tacoma was a Chinese Restaurant that turned themselves into a restaurant with gaming tables. Paradise Bowl and Casino in Tacoma was a bowling ally with 10 different table games and live poker.

The Great Wall folded, and Paradise has gone back to only bowling, but WA was handing out licenses to everyone. They made gambling online a felony to protect all these small businesses. Many should never have been in the casino business, and eventually folded, but many still operate (http://www.red-dragon-casino-mountlake.com/).

CBQ
03-22-2013, 09:56 PM
Anyway, back on topic. If SOTW has a northeast contest, we are in :-D