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smoke-n-my-i's
03-09-2013, 12:25 PM
Please bear with me on this one....

I am only putting this here as it is comp related, but also being the content, it could fit into a couple of other categories.

I was really reluctant to post this, but the more I think about it, and reflect back on it, this is a VERY serious problem

We had a practice comp this weekend. There are probably a few on this site that will know where I am talking abt. I am not going to mention names, teams, or location to keep this private due to the nature of the results.

There was some drinking involved... I got a call this morning before I was to head out and was told NOT to come to the site. There was an accident. At first I was thinking, oh no, someone got burned, cut seriously or something along that line....

It is more serious than that. A person had too much alcohol, took a piece of equipment without permission. Another person was riding on the equipment, it tip over and the rider was taken to the hospital... how badly hurt, at this point I am not sure so I am not going to say.

End results, the driver has or may have at least two charges against him. Theft of the equipment, and DUI.... The whole area was "roped" off as a crime scene, and nobody could leave or enter... that was why I was called, along with the "judges" to be.

My point is this... IF you have to drink, do so responsibly. If you see someone starting to do something "stupid", do your best to stop them, get help if needed, call 911... whatever it takes.

Let's keep these events a fun and safe time for everyone involved.

Thanks for taking the time to read, and listening... keep our two bbq friends in your thoughts and prayers. They will need it.

When I can find out more on the details and how the injured is, I will try to remember to pass it on. I sorta feel responsible, as I was asked to be in charge of the judging.... I just wish I had stayed all night, maybe I could have done something to prevent this....

Bill

nthole
03-09-2013, 01:11 PM
Bill, I hope the parties are ok and can come to a resolution, but even if you were responsible for the judging you aren't responsible for teams, especially individuals who can't control themselves.

Jason TQ
03-09-2013, 02:33 PM
So was the person who took the equipment not someone well known to the group? Like they didn't know how the person acts when drunk because they haven't been around them much when drinking? What kind of practice was this? One where random people were invited? Just wondering since you posted.

smoke-n-my-i's
03-09-2013, 03:50 PM
Thanks Neil.

Jason, this was a practice comp with several competition teams doing a practice comp before the season kicks into full gear around here. They are all grown men/women involved.

We were on a loaned business lot. How and where the piece of equipment was, I don't know at this time. All I know is an individual from one of the teams had been drinking. How much, I do not know. Had the other one been drinking? I do not know at this time either.

I am going to try and make a few phone calls later and try to find out more what went on and who was involved. They all were in a "private" business area that was "loaned" to another business owner to use. I sure hope that the two business are not held responsible as what I understand is the piece of equipment belonged to one of them and was being used to transport table, chairs, etc. earlier in the evening.... so my assumption is, the key had been left in it. That still doesn't make it right....

My point is, this probably would not have happened if the parties involved had not had so much alcohol and were thinking properly.... most likely they "were just having some fun"....

We all need to keep our eyes on others if we are going to keep this a fun and safe "sport". I hope this does not squash any future plans for this to continue.

smoke-n-my-i's
03-09-2013, 03:52 PM
Jason,

BTW, the ones chosen were a few of the ones invited. Yes, as a team member, they probably knew that, but if the team members had all been drinking, like they were when we were leaving last night, they were all kinda "brave" and not thinking clearly.

Scottie
03-09-2013, 03:53 PM
I am sure KCBS will ban them for life....



This is a joke and was said with tongue firmly planted on my cheek....

smoke-n-my-i's
03-09-2013, 03:57 PM
Scottie.... :tape:

Luckily this was NOT KCBS sanctioned.... just a fun get together and practice... some fun, huh???


All of the teams "roped" in and couldn't leave until cleared, all "judges" and others could not enter.... Hopefully everyone was notified in time before they got there. I was notified and didn't have to make the 35 mile trip one way... I was thinking of going down to see what I could do to help, but was told not to as they wouldn't let me in.... Guess it's time to make a few calls to make sure all is taken care of.

Jason TQ
03-09-2013, 04:29 PM
Gotcha. Sucks that happened. At comps they tend to stress not to get too crazy or they will throw you out. Without those boundaries/repercussions people can get a little too deep in the drink thinking nothing bad can happen. Hopefully it turns out as good as it can.

smoke-n-my-i's
03-09-2013, 04:46 PM
ok, a little update.

The one that got hurt is in stable condition. From what the info I got, a broken leg, and a smashed nose... no brain damage at last report....he did hit his head on the asphalt from a rather high place.... how far, I don't know.

I am to make another call tomorrow afternoon and will hopefully get more full details.

Ron_L
03-09-2013, 05:24 PM
It's a shame that this happened and I hope that is the extent of his injuries and nothing more.

I've seen some questionable behavior at competitions around here, but nothing truly stupid. The truly stupid things that I have seen happened when the parties were stone sober :-D Like having a 1 lb. propane container next to a charcoal chimney that was lit. Fortunately the only injuries from the resulting explosion was to some folks underwear :rolleyes:

Podge
03-10-2013, 10:55 AM
If this were a true BBQ contest, $250 entry, reps, the whole bit, I would think these people would have looked at this as not a party, but a competition, hopefully, drank about 18 beers less.

Sawdustguy
03-10-2013, 11:16 AM
Oh boy, does this hit home. My brother and the other half of the Two Fat Polocks has an alcohol problem. It is probably the main reason we do not do many contests anymore. He just doesn't know when to say when. In addition, he is a nasty drunk and has embarrassed us more than a couple of times. I guess I wouldn't care too much if he got drunk and just went to sleep, but when he has too much hes gets onwry. He was done his in front of his kids and other teams. It is embarassing for us and especially his wife and kids. It wouldn't bother me one bit if alcohol were banned from every contest and it was sternly enforced. To me drinking too much is a sign of immaturity and selfishness. It is truely a shame that we had to scale back our competing due to his problem, but it is better that he does not hurt himself or others because of his drunken rages at contests. My SIL, Wife and I are getting too old to become baby sitters.

TooSaucedToPork
03-10-2013, 11:33 AM
Just as anywhere...drunk people + something cool to play with = oh crap.

No matter what you are into, be it BBQ, mudding, snowmobiling, or underwater basket weaving, there will always be someone who takes it too far drinking. And there will always be a group of those that let them.

Sorry yalls cook went awry,

Neil

DawgPhan
03-10-2013, 12:15 PM
So what is the "VERY serious problem" that you think should be addressed? Drinking at contests?

because someone got drunk at a party that had nothing to do with sanctioned competition bbq? save me the hysterics.

MikeMSD
03-10-2013, 12:29 PM
It wouldn't bother me one bit if alcohol were banned from every contest and it was sternly enforced. To me drinking too much is a sign of immaturity and selfishness.

I think it is unfair to punish those of us that are responsible with alcohol because there are a few that can not control themselves. Yes, there will be a few that drink too much and do stupid things, but let's deal with them on an individual basis.

BKBBQ
03-10-2013, 12:37 PM
Under water basket weaving sounds cool. Is there a book for dummies or a class.

Sawdustguy
03-10-2013, 01:56 PM
I think it is unfair to punish those of us that are responsible with alcohol because there are a few that can not control themselves. Yes, there will be a few that drink too much and do stupid things, but let's deal with them on an individual basis.

Please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I don't want to spoil anyone elses fun but as I said, "It wouldn't bother me one bit if alcohol were banned from every contest and it was sternly enforced". The key words are "It wouldn't bother me". I am not suggesting that they ban alcohol at contests but it it certainly would not "Bother Me" if they did. KAPISH?????

Untraceable
03-10-2013, 02:00 PM
I don't think it's even possible to cook without beer

Alexa RnQ
03-10-2013, 03:22 PM
Really, cooking without alcohol would be SUCH a terrible punishment?? Clearly there are cooks that would have to be in serious stealth mode at events like Sam's. :mrgreen:

It's always regrettable when people hurt themselves or others through stupidity. *Most* contest cooks can handle themselves, but there always seems to be somebody who reads the word "contest" as "frat party".

Like it or not, when you've got fire and alcohol AND the public walking through, somebody somewhere is going to file a lawsuit one day. The question is whether to be proactive and address the handling of the relatively few bad apples, or just sit back and wait until something really awful happens.

Nordy
03-10-2013, 03:47 PM
Rule #1 - Don't be stupid
Rule #2 - If you even think "Is this stupid?" it probably is... see rule #1

Bentley
03-10-2013, 04:04 PM
to me drinking too much is a sign of immaturity and selfishness.


Those are traits, I am living proof of that...but sounds like he is an alcoholic...we drink, thats what we do, not an excuss, just a fact!

Pray for him, tell him there is always help when he is ready...Don't give up hope! Took me 14 years and several tries...But 5/1/13 with God's help will be seven years!

Hope he gets it one day!

MikeMSD
03-10-2013, 04:22 PM
Please refrain from putting words in my mouth. I don't want to spoil anyone elses fun but as I said, "It wouldn't bother me one bit if alcohol were banned from every contest and it was sternly enforced". The key words are "It wouldn't bother me". I am not suggesting that they ban alcohol at contests but it it certainly would not "Bother Me" if they did. KAPISH?????

I'm not attempting to put words into your mouth, or say that you are for banning alcohol. I apologize if it came off that way. I am just stating that it would bother me if they did ban it. The ban would be based on a minority that do not represent the responsible majority. I probably wouldn't cook at a contest that completely banned alcohol. There are so many contests available, that I would pick one that did not punish everyone with a zero tolerance policy.

smoke-n-my-i's
03-10-2013, 06:46 PM
Let's back up and read the posts I made.... I NEVER said he was drunk... nor insinuated it.... Yes, I did say alcohol was there, and I suppose it always will be.

I understand he was NOT drunk... why he did what he did, we may never know...

The point is, we all need to be more careful, and watch out for our "family". If you read my first post, I was reluctant to post, but thought of doing it only to bring a little information forward to our fellow brethren to be careful and let's be safe.

If we don't, then the drinks may be banned, and it will not be what it is today. I myself do not partake of it. Do I tell you not to? No, if you want it, you are all grown ups, legal age, adults, etc. You are in the end responsible for your actions and reactions.

Please do not put words into what I am trying to say, and make a mountain out of a molehill....

Just be careful, safe, and let's continue to have a good time at our comps.

BTW, the injured party is doing better and is going to undergo surgery. I am stepping out on this, and I am assuming it is to fix the broken leg. Let's keep him in our prayers, thoughts, and mojo.... he and the family is going to need it in the upcoming weeks as he is most likely going to be out of work for a while...

Red Valley BBQ
03-10-2013, 09:08 PM
Let's back up and read the posts I made.... I NEVER said he was drunk... nor insinuated it.... Yes, I did say alcohol was there, and I suppose it always will be.

I understand he was NOT drunk... why he did what he did, we may never know...

Then why in your original post did you state...


There was some drinking involved...

It is more serious than that. A person had too much alcohol...

End results, the driver has or may have at least two charges against him. Theft of the equipment, and DUI....

That sounds to me like someone was DRUNK.

What has happened here is you have started a thread based on a potential powderkeg topic with little or no knowledge of what actually happened. While I have no doubt that your intentions were honorable, you may have been better off to make this thread more of a public service announcement and left out the details which you had little knowledge of to begin with.

Limp Brisket
03-11-2013, 06:15 PM
It sounds like he thought he was an invincible forklift operator.