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JD McGee
02-23-2013, 02:07 PM
I have heard from a few event organizers that they would like to have their events sanctioned by KCBS but it is too expensive to bring the reps in from out of state. So...we need more reps up here in order to grow the KCBS community. From what I understand...this is the procedure for becoming one...please let me know if this is still the preferred way and hopefully a contact at KCBS to get the ball rolling...:cool:

"A candidate must train under qualified reps at a minimum of four sanctioned contests before earning his or her "wings". Under the
reps' supervision, a trainee is expected to satisfactorily perform all of the tasks both those behind-the-scenes and those in the public eye a rep would normally do during the course of a contest. After each contest, the
candidate's performance and knowledge of the rules are critiqued by the supervising reps. Ideally, a candidate will train under as many reps as possible in order to be exposed to a wider variety of reps' ways of managing a contest. "Reps in training" do not have expenses covered by the organizer."

JD McGee
02-23-2013, 02:09 PM
My follow up question is "Can a prospective Rep train AND compete in the same comp"?

CivilWarBBQ
02-23-2013, 02:26 PM
No.

Repping and competing are mutually exclusive. I would hope that is obvious?

kenthanson
02-23-2013, 02:49 PM
No.

Repping and competing are mutually exclusive. I would hope that is obvious?

Obviously not.

JD McGee
02-23-2013, 02:51 PM
No.

Repping and competing are mutually exclusive. I would hope that is obvious?

Obviously not.

Obviously not...or I wouldn't have asked the question! :rolleyes:

YankeeBBQ
02-23-2013, 03:47 PM
I have heard from a few event organizers that they would like to have their events sanctioned by KCBS but it is too expensive to bring the reps in from out of state. So...we need more reps up here in order to grow the KCBS community. From what I understand...this is the procedure for becoming one...please let me know if this is still the preferred way and hopefully a contact at KCBS to get the ball rolling...:cool:

"A candidate must train under qualified reps at a minimum of four sanctioned contests before earning his or her "wings". Under the
reps' supervision, a trainee is expected to satisfactorily perform all of the tasks both those behind-the-scenes and those in the public eye a rep would normally do during the course of a contest. After each contest, the
candidate's performance and knowledge of the rules are critiqued by the supervising reps. Ideally, a candidate will train under as many reps as possible in order to be exposed to a wider variety of reps' ways of managing a contest. "Reps in training" do not have expenses covered by the organizer."

First you have to get a current rep to recommend you. No you cannot not train to be a rep or be a rep at a contest you are cooking.

Then You must meet the following requirements:
REP PREREQUISITES:
1. Attend KCBS CBJ Class and become certified barbecue judge. Supply Date: _______

2. Establish 3 years tenure with KCBS sanctioned contests. Member since when? _____

3. Participate in a minimum of 5 sanctioned contests three consecutive years (minimum of 15 total contests) yes no (circle one) Approximate number: _________

4. Judge a minimum of 10 contests in three year tenure. Approximate number of contests in last 3 years: ___________

5. Table captain a minimum of 2 times during the three years: Name at least two contests where candidate served as a Table Captain: _____________________________

JD McGee
02-23-2013, 04:11 PM
That'll take forever up here...lol! Thanks for the info! :)

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Scottie
02-23-2013, 05:49 PM
We have a void in reps here as well. Have to bring them in from MN, IA, AR, OK and we supposedly live in a BBQ hot bed...

Rich Parker
02-23-2013, 05:54 PM
Same problem in MI our organizers have to pay to get reps from Alabama. :confused::confused:

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Rich Parker
02-23-2013, 06:04 PM
First you have to get a current rep to recommend you.

A current rep has to recommend someone to take work away from them..Are you serious?? That seems quite inappropriate.


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Scottie
02-23-2013, 06:21 PM
That is still part of the good ole boy network of KCBS.

wmaes47
02-23-2013, 06:56 PM
This is a map of current KCBS Rep locations...

http://goo.gl/maps/LVVJ4

1) The organize can choose whom they want on the sanctioning application
2) Most organizers stay with whom they used in previous years
3) If specific Reps are not choozen by the organizer, the KCBS office assigns Reps based on closeness to the event and availability
4) The closer to the event date an application is received in the office, the lesser chance of a close Rep being assigned

We needs Reps spread around the country...

YankeeBBQ
02-23-2013, 07:32 PM
A current rep has to recommend someone to take work away from them..Are you serious?? That seems quite inappropriate.


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I don't disagree but the reps are the ones that see the judges and teams that are most involved with KCBS comps. I know there are some areas we are actively seeking reps but I'm not on the rep committee and couldn't tell you where exactly those areas are.

musicmanryann
02-23-2013, 07:36 PM
You should do it JD! You'd be great at it!

Rich Parker
02-23-2013, 10:10 PM
OI don't disagree but the reps are the ones that see the judges and teams that are most involved with KCBS comps. I know there are some areas we are actively seeking reps but I'm not on the rep committee and couldn't tell you where exactly those areas are.

They do see the judges and cooks and usually know what is happening at every comp but that is a poor rule that needs to be changed. Nobody wants to recommend their replacement.

I just think it absurd that some of these events have to spend money to fly reps in when they can barely get money for a prize pool.

If KCBS wants to expand they need to consider how their rules effect these areas.

Don't get me started on why they are allowing two events on the same day in MI where we have to fight just to get enough teams to meet the minimums at almost all events. :mad:

JD McGee
02-24-2013, 10:27 AM
This is a map of current KCBS Rep locations...

http://goo.gl/maps/LVVJ4

Thanks wmaes...that map surprises me...I knew we only had one here (Mark Silver) but I thought there would be more reps in California.

[QUOTE=musicmanryann;2380524]You should do it JD! You'd be great at it!

I would love to but we only get 1 or 2 KCBS comps per year in WA State...and only 1 this year so it would take forever to meet the criteria. :tsk: Plus...we're not ready to give up cookin' just yet...:becky:

CivilWarBBQ
02-25-2013, 12:03 AM
Obviously not...or I wouldn't have asked the question! :rolleyes:

Sorry - I didn't mean to appear flippant.

I assumed you knew that the Reps are the only people who can "see through the blind" as it is their job to deal with the teams, judges and score cards. Participating or view the Rep's duties while competing at the same time would break the double blind system that is the cornerstone of KCBS.

Not to mention that it would be impossible to be in two places at one time: the Reps are working in the Judging tent at the same time the cooks are preparing their entries.

I agree that their is a shortage of *good* Reps at many times nationwide. On paper it appears that there are sufficient Reps, but there are only a subset that are in high demand. I think more Reps should be created, and the dead wood removed from the pool.

JD McGee
02-25-2013, 09:32 AM
No worries...it's all good! The responsibilities for PNWBA reps are very different in that it IS possible to be a rep and compete at the same comp.
Cheers!
JD

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bigdogphin
02-25-2013, 11:01 PM
No worries...it's all good! The responsibilities for PNWBA reps are very different in that it IS possible to be a rep and compete at the same comp.
Cheers!
JD



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I know who would have thought an organization for the cooks by the cooks was possible.. Looks like your stuck with us :-P

Iso
02-26-2013, 01:11 AM
KCBS has a couple of ECs up here John. The biggest hurdle is head judges. One event had to fly head judges from Arkansas. That means they had to pay for 2 head judges: round trip airfare, car rental, hotel accommodations, & mileage to/from the airport. This added thousands of dollars to the cost of the event.

tigerpaw
02-26-2013, 08:21 AM
I respectfully disagree with the comments on why would anyone expect a Contest Rep to recommend anyone for taking their job. Have you seen their job?? :) It isn’t really the greatest job in the world. The pay is not that great, they have to deal with any and all issues many of which have nothing to do with their job description, weather issues, travel issues, contest organizers overbooking judges and upset judges who now are not needed, hauling a half a ton of stuff around through own vehicle or rental not to mention getting it all through airports if flying to event - laptops and printers and all the needed paperwork through airports, time away from work and family for up to 4 ½ days per week, etc etc etc And yes I have asked about becoming a CR and been meet with enthusiasm by each current CR I have spoken to about this and their thoughts on the job. This would be three CR’s I have spoken to in past year. Each very enthusiastically said go for it and felt I should try to become one. Blowing smoke? Don’t believe that to be the case. I think some of them don’t like having to be on the road numerous weekends. I also think some are getting burned out for lack of additional people. I also see issues with more contests being added and not anyone stepping up to the plate to help. CR’s are not without a life expectancy. So there needs to be replacements for them coming up through the ranks. Having watched one in particular very closely at several events to get an idea of what I would be in for if I chose to go this route, there would be NO WAY POSSIBLE to rep and cook at same event. He is the energizer bunny. He’s finding power for a team that cannot get any, water for another team that is lacking a connection, filling forms, handing out replacement boxes as needed, assigning team numbers to teams, putting team number on each box, ( 100 team event x 4 boxes = 400 writing a team number on a box lid), then printing off dummy numbers to cover those number and connecting the dummy number to the team number in the system, checking in teams, verifying with each team the clock he is using and the time he has shown, verifying turn in times conducting team meetings, conducting judges meeting, conducting table captain meetings, helping with scoring entry into computer, confirming teams do not if at all possible land a second box entry onto a judges table already that has had an entry from them in another category, assigning judges to tables and dealing with those extra judges who were told to show by contest organizers, trying to please judges, teams and public – seen people come to him and complain to high heaven they are pissed off they can’t sample any of the bbq and blame him for this rather than contest organizers taking it all with understanding - and numerous other duties. Herding cats comes to mind when I think of this job.

big brother smoke
02-26-2013, 08:32 AM
[quote=wmaes47;2380447]This is a map of current KCBS Rep locations...

http://goo.gl/maps/LVVJ4

Thanks wmaes...that map surprises me...I knew we only had one here (Mark Silver) but I thought there would be more reps in California.



I would love to but we only get 1 or 2 KCBS comps per year in WA State...and only 1 this year so it would take forever to meet the criteria. :tsk: Plus...we're not ready to give up cookin' just yet...:becky:



California has two great Reps, that are not listed, Kelly and Kathleen Mcintosh.

wmaes47
02-26-2013, 09:03 AM
[quote=JD McGee;2381165]

California has two great Reps, that are not listed, Kelly and Kathleen Mcintosh.

I trained beside Kathleen and Kelly... They are very good

Zoom into the area where San Diego is located and click on the left flame...

They are on the list at the left, also...


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big brother smoke
02-26-2013, 09:07 AM
[quote=big brother smoke;2384483]

I trained beside Kathleen and Kelly... They are very good

Zoom into the area where San Diego is located and click on the left flame...

Yup, the zooming worked, thanks.

Prairie Smoke
02-26-2013, 11:02 PM
No worries...it's all good! The responsibilities for PNWBA reps are very different in that it IS possible to be a rep and compete at the same comp.
Cheers!
JD

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This isn't really true - "Rep" means different things between these two sanctioning bodies. PNWBA "reps" are just volunteers (typically board members) that assist the event organizer. KCBS "Reps" are equivalent to PNWBA head judges. In the PNWBA it's not possible to be a head judge and compete at the same event.
Hopefully I haven't misunderstood what you're getting at...

ThomEmery
02-27-2013, 07:55 AM
Amen on the K and K

JD McGee
02-27-2013, 08:19 AM
This isn't really true - "Rep" means different things between these two sanctioning bodies. PNWBA "reps" are just volunteers (typically board members) that assist the event organizer. KCBS "Reps" are equivalent to PNWBA head judges. In the PNWBA it's not possible to be a head judge and compete at the same event.
Hopefully I haven't misunderstood what you're getting at...

Nope...you got it Rob. H/J and rep are two different responsibilities for PNWBA I know. I did not know they were one in the same for KCBS.

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Rich Parker
02-27-2013, 11:54 AM
I respectfully disagree with the comments on why would anyone expect a Contest Rep to recommend anyone for taking their job. Have you seen their job?? :) It isn’t really the greatest job in the world. The pay is not that great, they have to deal with any and all issues many of which have nothing to do with their job description, weather issues, travel issues, contest organizers overbooking judges and upset judges who now are not needed, hauling a half a ton of stuff around through own vehicle or rental not to mention getting it all through airports if flying to event - laptops and printers and all the needed paperwork through airports, time away from work and family for up to 4 ½ days per week, etc etc etc And yes I have asked about becoming a CR and been meet with enthusiasm by each current CR I have spoken to about this and their thoughts on the job. This would be three CR’s I have spoken to in past year. Each very enthusiastically said go for it and felt I should try to become one. Blowing smoke? Don’t believe that to be the case. I think some of them don’t like having to be on the road numerous weekends. I also think some are getting burned out for lack of additional people. I also see issues with more contests being added and not anyone stepping up to the plate to help. CR’s are not without a life expectancy. So there needs to be replacements for them coming up through the ranks. Having watched one in particular very closely at several events to get an idea of what I would be in for if I chose to go this route, there would be NO WAY POSSIBLE to rep and cook at same event. He is the energizer bunny. He’s finding power for a team that cannot get any, water for another team that is lacking a connection, filling forms, handing out replacement boxes as needed, assigning team numbers to teams, putting team number on each box, ( 100 team event x 4 boxes = 400 writing a team number on a box lid), then printing off dummy numbers to cover those number and connecting the dummy number to the team number in the system, checking in teams, verifying with each team the clock he is using and the time he has shown, verifying turn in times conducting team meetings, conducting judges meeting, conducting table captain meetings, helping with scoring entry into computer, confirming teams do not if at all possible land a second box entry onto a judges table already that has had an entry from them in another category, assigning judges to tables and dealing with those extra judges who were told to show by contest organizers, trying to please judges, teams and public – seen people come to him and complain to high heaven they are pissed off they can’t sample any of the bbq and blame him for this rather than contest organizers taking it all with understanding - and numerous other duties. Herding cats comes to mind when I think of this job.

I understand that the KCBS reps do a lot of work but it is a bad policy that can lead to these cliques. It is definitely not a fair policy and brings down the integrity of the reps in whole.

Certain areas of the country have to pay thousands of dollars to fly reps in our pay for their fuel.

It would be nice to see KCBS adopt a policy where every event pays the same amount for reps and then they would be better at making sure there were reps within a reasonable distance or then not sanction the event.

CivilWarBBQ
02-28-2013, 04:32 PM
With all due respect, why is a Rep involving themselves with power and water issues? Infrastructure support is the job of the event organizer, NOT the Rep.

tigerpaw
02-28-2013, 09:47 PM
With all due respect, why is a Rep involving themselves with power and water issues? Infrastructure support is the job of the event organizer, NOT the Rep.

Because thats who teams come to complain to. I am not saying it's right but I have watched teams come again and again to the CR to complain they have not had their power hook up or water run to their site yet amoung other such items. CR is not responsible for suplying you are correct. But to try and help teams and make them happy with a KCBS event they go the extra mile to accomidate them.

CivilWarBBQ
02-28-2013, 10:18 PM
Any organizer that is relying on Reps to deal with such issues should be hung out to dry, and the teams making such requests along side them!

Reps are neither expected, nor capable of resolving such problems beyond the the basic common sense stuff along the lines of "cut my hose splitter in between yours and the next team". And frankly that kind of simple stuff should be resolved by teams cooperating and working it out without calling on anybody. If there is some sort of serious electrical failure or whatnot my contest Reps refer such issues to me as the organizer as I would expect them to. The issues get resolved more efficiently that way.

I don't know of any pro team beyond the total virgin stage that would expect a KCBS Rep to deal with such things as power and water. Sure, it's human nature to gripe to anyone within earshot when you're stressed, but the Pros know better than to lay that kind of trip on their Reps, at least in these parts. Can't say how things are in Virginia, but if that's the norm y'all need to set some boundaries!

Reps are there to supervise the competition, not service the campground.

wmaes47
02-28-2013, 11:36 PM
I believe there is a Creed among the KCBS Reps...

"Don't do everything, but do whatever it takes to make it work"

I don't know:
- If I heard this
- Read this in the manual

This does stick in my mind...

Other Reps need to ring in here...

ThomEmery
03-01-2013, 07:31 AM
Hijack Alert
How did running water become a team expectation in the South?
Just interested in the backstory

JD McGee
03-01-2013, 07:44 AM
Is there an official KCBS Rep duties and responsibilities guideline out there? It would lay to rest all these assumptions of what they are required to do. As a KCBS member cooking a KCBS sanctioned comp I would think the KCBS Rep would be the liaison between the organizer and the teams...

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bigdogphin
03-01-2013, 09:18 PM
http://www.kcbs.us/pdf/contest-rep-advisories-2010.pdf



Here is a manual.......

JD McGee
03-02-2013, 03:17 PM
Cool beans...thanks Jesse! :cool:

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