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wsm
01-17-2006, 07:10 PM
anyone know anythiing aaobut this contest?

they say they already have their fill of judges. VERY STRANGE

smokincracker
01-17-2006, 08:02 PM
The hottest place on the face of this earth.
I thought FL was Hot.
Man I was drippin gravy.
Flew out to that contest last year and had a blast with Belly Bros & the Spicewine crew.
Great contest.
I can't tell you about the judges situation.

spicewine
01-17-2006, 08:35 PM
Rich: This is a hot ticket!!! The Best of the Best have come through here.Johnny Trigg , Josh & Tom, Great Grills-O-Fire ( American Royal Invitational Champ 2005 ) 3 Men & a Pig ect. ect ect. You have to be on a "Who's Who list to be a judge at this contest!! I know the promoter, I will see if I can get you squeezed in on next years judging staff.Spice

Solidkick
01-17-2006, 08:58 PM
Yep, that's how we pulled out a 1st in pork, we knew the "Who's Who list".........just kidding......the pay out could be better, but it is a state championship and AR qualifier, so it generally draws a few big names....this is Jay's and our backyard and I think we feel more pressure to do well in this contest.....but it don't stop us from having a good time....look for us to be side by side again this year....

As far as the judges....the annual Boone County Fair ham breakfast is held in the morning, quite a drawing card of celebs, and some CBJs....

Jeff_in_KC
01-17-2006, 11:04 PM
I have this one on my schedule. And I know Wayne is considering it. Gary or Jay, how many teams were in this last year? It didn't seem overly large but then again, I was sweating profusely so who the heck knows? I think my brain was steamed!

spicewine
01-18-2006, 07:52 AM
I think there were about 48 teams last year and you are right , it was 102 in the shade:|

kcpellethead
01-18-2006, 09:14 AM
There were 41 teams at this event last year. "Hot" is an understatement.

The reason Mike McMillen says he's full on judges is because he does not want CBJ's at his event. He uses his judging seats to reward those that contribute or help him with that event.

wsm
01-18-2006, 11:50 AM
Brings up the question - Do cooks want to be judged by CBJs??

Jeff_in_KC
01-18-2006, 01:59 PM
Brings up the question - Do cooks want to be judged by CBJs??

In my limited experience, I'd say probably a good split of 50/50 works well. However, it seems to me that it is up to the organizer how he or she chooses to go with this issue. If cooks prefer it differently, I suppose they won't compete in that contest. Columbia seemed to me to be an outstanding contest regardless of where the judges came from.

smokincracker
01-18-2006, 07:07 PM
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The reason Mike McMillen says he's full on judges is because he does not want CBJ's at his event. He uses his judging seats to reward those that contribute or help him with that event.[/QUOTE]
Wow
Never considered that a organizer would do that.

The_Kapn
01-18-2006, 07:35 PM
I'd say probably a good split of 50/50 works well.

Jeff,
I am really curious as to how you came up with that observation.
Would a Police Dept, Fire Dept, Retail Store, or Hospital with 50% trained officers (or employees) and 50% political appointees work well?????
That would be interesting.

When I am cooking, I like to think I have trained and practiced as hard as I can to do my best.
When I am Judging, I like to think I have trained diligently and try to do the best I can with a full understanding of the rules.
When I am cooking, I hope the Judges have trained diligently like I have and also try to do their best.
When I am Judging, I like to eat and score the product of those who have trained and practiced to do their best.

To me, non-certified judges are a fact of life since we can not field enough trained judges. But, only after the pool of judges fails to meet the requirments, not as a matter of policy.

But, that is just "silly ole me".

TIM

kcquer
01-18-2006, 08:42 PM
With non trained judges, you're less sure what they're looking for. To a non certified judge, a slice of brisket that we would consider perfectly done, is probably not quite done and a little tough yet.
I think Phil ran into this problem with non certified judges near the end of the season this year.
Having judges that are looking for what we are shooting for is surely the desired model of a good event, not having celebrity judges.

Jeff_in_KC
01-18-2006, 09:24 PM
I'd say probably a good split of 50/50 works well.

Jeff,
I am really curious as to how you came up with that observation.
Would a Police Dept, Fire Dept, Retail Store, or Hospital with 50% trained officers (or employees) and 50% political appointees work well?????
That would be interesting.

When I am cooking, I like to think I have trained and practiced as hard as I can to do my best.
When I am Judging, I like to think I have trained diligently and try to do the best I can with a full understanding of the rules.
When I am cooking, I hope the Judges have trained diligently like I have and also try to do their best.
When I am Judging, I like to eat and score the product of those who have trained and practiced to do their best.

To me, non-certified judges are a fact of life since we can not field enough trained judges. But, only after the pool of judges fails to meet the requirments, not as a matter of policy.

But, that is just "silly ole me".

TIM

Like I said, Tim... my limited experience. I just seem to recall a couple of people at a contest mentioning that from what they understood that there were about equal numbers of certified and non-certified judges and they agreed that was good. Maybe that was from a perspective of having been in contests where there were few, if any, certified judges and 50/50 was good comparatively speaking. But I'm not sure that you need to be certified to do a good job as a judge. Before you point out the inconsistencies and the fact that it is a crap shoot to have a lot of non CBJ's, I just want to say that there are a lot of people out there who may have been associated with BBQ, BBQ teams, contests and even the KCBS and therefore have at least some idea of what it is they're supposed to be doing as a judge. However, I guess being in the heart of KCBS's home, it's conceiveably more likely that there will be "qualified non-certified" judges available than in areas of the country where BBQ is less popular or where contests haven't become an every weekend occurance like they have here.

kcpellethead
01-18-2006, 09:29 PM
Wow
Never considered that a organizer would do that.

Niether would I, but I got that info straight from the horse's mouth when he rep'd the contest in Glascow, MO the following weekend. But, something else that isn't known about this event .. . . in the past couple years, he raffles off the left over meat in the turn-in containers to the judges between categories.

BrooklynQ
01-18-2006, 10:06 PM
Now why is this contest so popular with the big guns?

Mel
01-18-2006, 10:10 PM
50/50

good ideal

Three CBJ's

Three off the streat ---Tom--Dick--and --Harry>>

Now Tom is a charter member of P.E.T.A

then theres Dick who's a vegaterian

But then theres harry who is the bigest sponsor he's jewish and kosher

If there all cbj's cook comp style, if all of the street cook back yard style, if it's a mix--good luck

BBQchef33
01-18-2006, 10:17 PM
wow.... thats a concept thats somewhat shocking. I thought that at a sanctioned event, KCBS would required as many certified judges as possible, and only then hit the public pools. Personally, i prefer to be judged by a qualified/certified judge, that is looking for the same specific goals that me, as a cook tries to hit. If I know that i am feeding a judging tent of regular joes, my ribs WILL fall off the bone, and the brisket will fail the rubber band test. Never knew the organizer can assign whoever they wanted. Thats somewhat disappointing.(my opinion, to me, just me, dont jump it).

wsm
01-19-2006, 07:04 AM
I call myself a KCBS CBJ - and that is my main link to the world of BBQ. I think it is a shame if non-CBJs are alklowed to judge, but in this case, we are not talking about "average joes" - we are talking aobut friends/aquantences of the organizer/KCBS Rep. I suspect that those volunteers have been around KCBS BBQ long enough to have "learned the ropes" as a CBJ does, NOT IN CLASS, but by judging.

Maybe that is why the "Heavy Hitters" like the contest.

drbbq
01-19-2006, 07:14 AM
My guess would be that he's using that excuse to weed out disruptive judges as he sees fit.

Why must we talk about this over and over like being a CBJ is some great accomplishment. All you have to do is have $30 and a few hours. Nobody has ever failed the course. After the class you are never tested or questioned. I like the program as a promotional tool and a fundraiser, but to assume these CBJ's are all "Looking for" the same anything is kind of ridiculous.

CharlieBeasley
01-19-2006, 07:24 AM
Yea Doc but at least they cared enough to spend the 30 and the hours. They also found one near enough to spend the time an $ to get to and I am having a problem with that none withen a 10 hour drive.

wsm
01-19-2006, 07:34 AM
My guess would be that he's using that excuse to weed out disruptive judges as he sees fit.

Why must we talk about this over and over like being a CBJ is some great accomplishment. All you have to do is have $30 and a few hours. Nobody has ever failed the course. After the class you are never tested or questioned. I like the program as a promotional tool and a fundraiser, but to assume these CBJ's are all "Looking for" the same anything is kind of ridiculous.
Ray's post brings up a question - Are there DISRUPTIVE judges that an organizer or Rep might know about in advance? Knowing in advance rules out the First-timer who loudly demands "I WANT SAUCE" or some other foolishness.

I do agree with Ray that sitting thru a 4 hour seminar does not insure that the person will follow the rules, but it does show a committment to the rules that is not shown by someone who does not attend.

IMHO being a CBJ does not say a great deal, but having judged several contests in the last year, becomng a Master Judge does.

kcpellethead
01-19-2006, 07:44 AM
Now why is this contest so popular with the big guns?

That has been said, but not by me. That time of year, there aren't very many contests in the area. This is because of the heat.

As for the judging, I can see where a contest organizer might use an "excuse" to selectively weed a few bad apples out. However, that is not the case at this event.

jt
01-19-2006, 07:55 AM
I think it is a shame if non-CBJs are alklowed to judge, but in this case, we are not talking about "average joes" - we are talking aobut friends/aquantences of the organizer/KCBS Rep. I suspect that those volunteers have been around KCBS BBQ long enough to have "learned the ropes" as a CBJ does, NOT IN CLASS, but by judging.

Maybe that is why the "Heavy Hitters" like the contest.
I know of someone who called up the Rep the day before and got 2 judging seats - one for himself and one for someone else - I know for a fact that he thinks brisket done in the oven and smothered in sauce is BBQ. So yes, we are talking about average joes. And we're talking about average joes with a wide range of likes and with little or no judging experience.

Jeff_in_KC
01-19-2006, 08:07 AM
This thread's starting to get to that point.... :biggrin:

wsm
01-19-2006, 08:24 AM
LMAO Jeff

thanks

drbbq
01-19-2006, 11:10 AM
Master judge = guy who ate 30 free meals.
No one has ever been denied this classification either.

Why would judging more make you a better judge?
I tend to think that many of the Master Judges have spent years picking up bad habits from each other.

wsm
01-19-2006, 11:28 AM
Master judge = guy who ate 30 free meals.
No one has ever been denied this classification either.

Why would judging more make you a better judge?
I tend to think that many of the Master Judges have spent years picking up bad habits from each other.
So why do you parctice cooking?

BBQchef33
01-19-2006, 11:39 AM
ADMIN NOTE:

The Topic is:


Boone County Fair:

anyone know anythiing aaobut this contest?

they say they already have their fill of judges. VERY STRANGE


Back on Topic.. Lets put out the potential war thats beginning.

Please Keep it civil.

drbbq
01-19-2006, 11:41 AM
Not biting.

wsm
01-19-2006, 12:04 PM
Has the bell been unrung?

BrooklynQ
01-19-2006, 12:06 PM
Yup. Fight's over. Take it outside.

spicewine
01-19-2006, 12:55 PM
Mike insists on not having ANY certified judges at ANY contest that he promotes. Why??? Well I guess you would have to know him to find the answer to that question. He is a little DIFFERENT to say the least. I personally don't agree with this policy but he will be the first to tell you that if you don't like it---don't come back. He has a way of pissing people off and has lost a few good cooks in the process.

willkat98
01-19-2006, 02:05 PM
So I guess you guys aren't voting for him. Mike McMillan, I think, is running for the board of directors. Wonder if he can bring people in off the street to vote for him.

Jeff_in_KC
01-19-2006, 02:27 PM
I'm voting for some New Yorker named Phil.

CharlieBeasley
01-19-2006, 02:36 PM
MIKE McMILLEN
for KCBS Board of Directors
http://www.kcbs.us/articles/images/mike_mcmillen.jpg• KCBS Rep
• Certified Judge
• Contest Organizer
• KCBS Member Since 1995
Previous board experience includes:
Girl Scout Council (Board Member)
Fire Training Institute (Board Member)
Mo. Insurance Coalition (Chairman)
Beta Beta Que Society (President)

Short Bio Phil still gets my vote

Jeff_in_KC
01-19-2006, 02:43 PM
MIKE McMILLEN
for KCBS Board of Directors
http://www.kcbs.us/articles/images/mike_mcmillen.jpg• KCBS Rep
• Certified Judge
• Contest Organizer
• KCBS Member Since 1995
Previous board experience includes:
Girl Scout Council (Board Member)
Fire Training Institute (Board Member)
Mo. Insurance Coalition (Chairman)
Beta Beta Que Society (President)

Short Bio Phil still gets my vote

Buck Creek?? Sweet Heat and Gourmet Sauces from Spice are 10x better! :wink:

willkat98
01-19-2006, 02:59 PM
Wonder how many boxes of Girl Scout cookies you get strong armed into buying if you wanna judge his comps

(sorry, thats the last I'll post. Seems like an arse)

spicewine
01-19-2006, 05:13 PM
Buck Creek?? Sweet Heat and Gourmet Sauces from Spice are 10x better! :wink:

He comes by the shop every now and then and I call him Butt Cheek BBQ Sauce:mrgreen: He doesn't like it very well to say the least, but it's still funny.

He does make a raspberry sauce that is very popular and has won Best Sauce on the Planet for one of his sauces.

He can't cook worth a s**t though and has never competed in any contests.

Smoker
01-19-2006, 07:02 PM
Let me get this straight. This guy is running for the board and yet he won' allow CBJ's at anything he promotes? Does the board know this?

willkat98
01-19-2006, 07:13 PM
To answer two questions with one, I agree Jay, the raspeberry is pretty good. I also agree with (was it e, kick, or one of their OL's) that the mesquite is crap.

And Smoker, my sources (this is not a B.S. post) tell me the board is aware of this action, and this is really one of the few, it any, contests that this occurs.

Reason, simply stated above, hot as hell's ass in the middle of Missouri in late July, no one's competing much, and they get great turnout from all of MO (Columbia is mid state, I reckon)

So it is what it is, and that's that. (chit, I posted again here!)

spicewine
01-19-2006, 08:13 PM
Columbia and the 13 mile proximity has about 13 teams or more!! And about 7 to 10 more that only do Backyard. The bad news is that we only have 2 BBQ Joints in town, and neither one is great Q. The good news is that we all get along really well and would do just about anything to help each other out.It's the MOFO way!!

willkat98
01-19-2006, 08:48 PM
. The good news is that we all get along really well and would do just about anything to help each other out.It's the MOFO way!!

And I think that Beta Beta Que Society thing you guys do, to help people out like that police officer in the past, is farking top notch!!

Solidkick
01-19-2006, 08:50 PM
Jay's right, for a bunch of competitors, we're a pretty tight bunch, kinda like I like to think the Florida boys are.... I think we've all learned to overlook or accept what we don't agree with and focus on our passion and camaraderie.

And yes it usually is hot.....but I'd personally like to invite anyone that would like to compete at this one to a cold one, a 'rita, or a gatorade.....Jay's buying......:twisted: Just kidding, JT will pick up the tab......:shock: ......OK, I'm buying......:rolleyes:

kcquer
01-19-2006, 09:36 PM
And yes it usually is hot

But not always!!

Jeff_in_KC
01-19-2006, 11:56 PM
I wouldn't miss Columbia, devil's ass hot or not. I get the same sense of commraderie with the teams local to KC and have already made some good friends around here. Thankfully through this place, I've gotten to know the central MOFOs and you farkers are good humans too! Looking forward to hooking up at a few comps this coming season!

smokincracker
01-20-2006, 05:08 AM
wow.... thats a concept thats somewhat shocking. I thought that at a sanctioned event, KCBS would required as many certified judges as possible, and only then hit the public pools. Personally, i prefer to be judged by a qualified/certified judge, that is looking for the same specific goals that me, as a cook tries to hit. If I know that i am feeding a judging tent of regular joes, my ribs WILL fall off the bone, and the brisket will fail the rubber band test. Never knew the organizer can assign whoever they wanted. Thats somewhat disappointing.(my opinion, to me, just me, dont jump it).

with you on this Phil, we talked about this in Key Largo!
I would rather have cert Judges every day!

smokincracker
01-20-2006, 05:10 AM
My guess would be that he's using that excuse to weed out disruptive judges as he sees fit.

Why must we talk about this over and over like being a CBJ is some great accomplishment. All you have to do is have $30 and a few hours. Nobody has ever failed the course. After the class you are never tested or questioned. I like the program as a promotional tool and a fundraiser, but to assume these CBJ's are all "Looking for" the same anything is kind of ridiculous.
Experience is what would be important to me.
Bad habbits? Cool Ray now we have a talk topic for 1am next weekend in Lakeland.

ButtrubberBBQ
01-20-2006, 11:25 AM
Yea, That place is hot, I went last year to eat some Q and this brother liked to die. My old lady was having to fan me and pour water on my ass, Damn it was hot. Then I got hold of some spicy Q and liked to have locked up. They need to do that in the spring

kcquer
01-20-2006, 12:48 PM
Yea, That place is hot, I went last year to eat some Q and this brother liked to die. My old lady was having to fan me and pour water on my ass, Damn it was hot. Then I got hold of some spicy Q and liked to have locked up. They need to do that in the spring


No dispute here on last year. However, in true midwest fashion, you can NEVER count on the weather, not even in late july. 2 yrs ago it was farking cold!! 50's, windy and then it rained, and rained and rained. We needed truck loads of briq and parkas.
You never can tell!!