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Mike in Corpus
01-09-2013, 09:17 PM
should the head cook who started/built team decide if someone should be kicked off team, or should there be a vote taken? As head cook I feel that if I make decision, no one will have to explain which way they voted. I feel like as far as everything else, what contest we will enter,what we need to buy, who will cook what etc. is up for a vote. But, someone who considers sponsors money is to feed his family reunion, at every event and doesn't contribute has to go.

Boshizzle
01-09-2013, 09:19 PM
I have a great team but, as the head cook, I decide who is on it. It's my team and I make the executive decisions. While some activities may be voted on, that part (who is on the team) is not subject to Democracy.

It's the golden rule: He who pays the gold rules.

thenewguy
01-09-2013, 10:22 PM
If you have to ask then you need to start a new "team"...

slammmed
01-10-2013, 03:54 AM
If you have to ask then you need to start a new "team"...

I agree. Design/Decision by committee never works long term, sure it works for the short term because there is usually a general idea and people are easy going but eventually someone will feel their opinion isn't being valued/listened to and downhill it goes. There needs to be a final decision point, for conflict resolution, for unified direction, etc..

Untraceable
01-10-2013, 05:58 AM
$$$$$

you should always listen to your team members and not be an ahole but the signature on the check rules

Full Draw BBQ
01-10-2013, 10:22 AM
I think you should always listen to your team members, and take input and suggestions, but at the end of the day, on my team, the final decision on anything is mine.

fnbish
01-10-2013, 10:55 AM
If you fund it, then it is your decision. You said there is sponsor money so of that came about because of everyone then more of a discussion may need to take place. But if the guy isn't acting in the teams best interest for the future then it should be an easy decision.

scm1226
01-10-2013, 12:49 PM
Each member pays towards the contest. We currently have 4 members. WE go by who has been practicing the most on which cut of meat. Currently I am working on Brisket for comps, if I like a new recipe or try something different I let everyone know and they can practice too. When I make pork I tell the pork guy to try what I did and if he does he does if not its their call. My father and I started the team and have since got other people to be on the team. Its not easy but we make it work, If by any chance we win $ its either divided up or put towards the next contest.
The only say they don't have is the team name. If it was up to everyone we would be called the
Smokin' IrishPuertoRicanJewsihItalian (didn't flow) hahaha

JS-TX
01-10-2013, 12:58 PM
Well if it's your equipment and money, then it's obviously your team which is something they all need to understand. From there you make the final call. Either way if this guy isn't contributing to the team, he can hardly be considered a team member and apparently is just there to hang out. Somehow he thinks it's ok to invite all his family w/out chipping in. Not cool.

Podge
01-10-2013, 01:11 PM
The man with the money makes the decisions. Or the man who puts in the most money makes the final decision. I provide all the money on my 'team'.. but the wife makes the decisions :)

indianagriller
01-10-2013, 02:17 PM
I will listen to the input, but ultimately its my call... now that being said there have been times where i was wrong, but usually we are on the same line of thinking.

Patrickkva
01-10-2013, 03:16 PM
Each member pays towards the contest. We currently have 4 members. WE go by who has been practicing the most on which cut of meat. Currently I am working on Brisket for comps, if I like a new recipe or try something different I let everyone know and they can practice too. When I make pork I tell the pork guy to try what I did and if he does he does if not its their call. My father and I started the team and have since got other people to be on the team. Its not easy but we make it work, If by any chance we win $ its either divided up or put towards the next contest.
The only say they don't have is the team name. If it was up to everyone we would be called the
Smokin' IrishPuertoRicanJewsihItalian (didn't flow) hahaha

Our team has a similar setup (except for the father part) and it's worked so far. Any issues we have, like behavior at a certain comp for example, is talked about openly until it's resolved. Brutal honesty if you will. Same goes for trending meat scores and what we can do to improve them if they start falling. At the end of the day our Captain makes the final call and we've come to understand that I think :wink:

dmprantz
01-10-2013, 03:21 PM
It doesn't matter who started the team. It doesn't matter who puts his name down as "head cook" on applications. It doesn't matter who stays up all night feeding logs into the fire, nor who cuts the meat. It comes down to what you, as a team, think is right.

Does any one else on the team have any assets? Are you willing to lose them and the assets if you make decisions without them?

Does any one else on the team contribute money to pay for things besides personal food and drink? Are you willing to lose them and that money if you make decisions without them?

Does any one on the team help with the work in any way? Are you willing to lose that help if you make decisions without them?

At the end of the day, very few teams are legal entities and membership on them can be incredibly fluid. If your teamates chip in and want a say, then they should have it. If you don't want to give it to them, kick them all out and fight over who gets to use the name. It really only matters in KCBS for TOTY and competing on the same day or at the same comp.

dmp

DawgPhan
01-10-2013, 04:10 PM
You know if it is your team or not. If you dont, it isnt.

TooSaucedToPork
01-11-2013, 11:10 AM
We had people get a little power hungry, so we took away dictatorship.

Our team elects a Pres, VP, Treasurer, and Sec every year...They handle all the regular contests throughout the year. We vote as a team on big things but the officers pretty much handle the decisions

We also have a "Founders Council" that is comprised of the 4 people that started the team, plus the current president. This council runs Memphis in May since it is so expensive and involved.

This has worked for 8 years.

We have suspended members, booted members, and put members on probation. All by majority rule.

Of course our team is bigger than most...

timzcardz
01-11-2013, 11:44 AM
We had people get a little power hungry, so we took away dictatorship.



We have that same problem on our team, but since I'm in charge they really can't do anything about it! :biggrin1:

That's just one of the privileges that comes with being the team's sole sponsor.

A quick related real-life story: A friend of my brother's and mine was going to hang with us a competition last year and lend a hand. He may have been a little hesitant and asked my brother ahead of time "What will I have to do?" My brother's response? "All you have to do is remember to not do anything until Tim tells you to, and then do it the way he tells you." He's since been with us for a few comps, and it has become a running joke, with me constantly asking him "Did I TELL YOU to do that?"




Our team elects a Pres, VP, Treasurer, and Sec every year...They handle all the regular contests throughout the year. We vote as a team on big things but the officers pretty much handle the decisions


I'm happy for you that it works for you. For me personally, if it ever got to a point that was needed, I would be done because that would be polarly opposite to the reason that I do this, which is really spending quality time with my son and family.


should the head cook who started/built team decide if someone should be kicked off team, or should there be a vote taken? As head cook I feel that if I make decision, no one will have to explain which way they voted. I feel like as far as everything else, what contest we will enter,what we need to buy, who will cook what etc. is up for a vote. But, someone who considers sponsors money is to feed his family reunion, at every event and doesn't contribute has to go.

Every circumstance is different, and you provide far too few details of the situation for me to offer any suggestion to your circumstances.

There are lots of individual circumstances and opinions above already. At the end of the day though, it will be up to you to decide. Just make sure that whatever your decision is, when you look back at it that you will have no regrets about it.

Good luck.

NRA4Life
01-11-2013, 12:29 PM
should the head cook who started/built team decide if someone should be kicked off team, or should there be a vote taken? As head cook I feel that if I make decision, no one will have to explain which way they voted. I feel like as far as everything else, what contest we will enter,what we need to buy, who will cook what etc. is up for a vote. But, someone who considers sponsors money is to feed his family reunion, at every event and doesn't contribute has to go.

If you alone built it, then you alone can tear it down.

dhuffjr
01-11-2013, 12:42 PM
The man with the money makes the decisions. Or the man who puts in the most money makes the final decision. I provide all the money on my 'team'.. but the wife makes the decisions :)
I was going to say more or less the same thing :becky:

BruceB
01-11-2013, 01:23 PM
Here's the way I look at it; if you were asked to join a team then it's not your team. You may call it "my team" in conversation, but it's not really your team. I was invited to join "my team" but if the man who invited me decided to un-invite me, that would be his decision, regardless of what I contribute.

shares
01-11-2013, 03:24 PM
I make the final decisions - after my wife tells me what they are.

Boshizzle
01-11-2013, 06:26 PM
It doesn't matter who started the team. It doesn't matter who puts his name down as "head cook" on applications. It doesn't matter who stays up all night feeding logs into the fire, nor who cuts the meat. It comes down to what you, as a team, think is right.

Does any one else on the team have any assets? Are you willing to lose them and the assets if you make decisions without them?

Does any one else on the team contribute money to pay for things besides personal food and drink? Are you willing to lose them and that money if you make decisions without them?

Does any one on the team help with the work in any way? Are you willing to lose that help if you make decisions without them?

At the end of the day, very few teams are legal entities and membership on them can be incredibly fluid. If your teamates chip in and want a say, then they should have it. If you don't want to give it to them, kick them all out and fight over who gets to use the name. It really only matters in KCBS for TOTY and competing on the same day or at the same comp.

dmp

You make some good points. It seems that there are a lot of things to consider when it comes to decision making.

My team is made up some some of my closest friends. They are not seasoned KCBS BBQ guys. They know what they like but they are not CBJs or seasoned BBQ cooks. That kind of puts me in the drivers seat when it comes to quality decisions.

Also, I like to invite KCBS judges who are on their way to becoming MCBJs to volunteer to help out. They use it as their cook experience in order to qualify for MCBJ. I have two joining my team for a comp in May. They will have a say in what BBQ I turn in. It makes sense. They have the experience to help make that decision.

But, when it comes to who is actually on my team, I have the last say. I have to. I have had no less than 15 people ask to "help out" for the comp in May. I can't have that many people around and have no need for that much help. So, I have to step up and make the decision.

I feel that one of the key attributes of a leader is the ability to carefully listen. That is something I practice. When the team has a good idea or an idea that I may not be thrilled about but they love it, I work it in.

But, a decision has to be something the team member is best qualified to participate in. That's why KCBS quality decisions are between me and the MCBJ candidates on the team while other decisions may be between me and others who are most suited to offer valuable input on the decision.

We all have a great time and no one is left out or discounted. Everyone's strengths are used in the best capacity.

Tack
01-11-2013, 08:30 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhh the pleasure of being a one man team!!!!

New Pal Frank
01-12-2013, 04:27 AM
Our team runs very efficently. I make final call on what contests we go to( if that ok with her). I buy, trim, season and cook all the meat at all the contest. She writes the checks, does parsley and dishes and keeps the camp nice and tidy. But she does get a major say in when and how the meat goes in the box.:grin:

rolfejr
01-12-2013, 08:28 AM
Even though Robyn is an integral part of the team, I am in charge. I ask for input and consider that input important.
We make financial decisions together, ie... new smokers, trailers, contest schedules, but on game day I am the captain.

We routinely have friends who "want to help", but that seemed to be a reason to party and get in the way. We have adopted a policy of "No Guests" until 2PM on turn in day. That way we can share the left overs and possibly the good news of a call.

We are entering our second full season and we are very serious about our comps. You cannot win when you have distractions and a lack of focus. As head cook I provide the focus for the entire contest.

Wampus
01-12-2013, 11:35 AM
I will listen to the input, but ultimately its my call... now that being said there have been times where i was wrong, but usually we are on the same line of thinking.

Only if you decide to kick anyone off of the team, then you don't have a team and you're on your own. :laugh:



We COULD armwrestle for it, although I don't want to make you cry. :pound::boxing:

indianagriller
01-12-2013, 11:59 AM
Only if you decide to kick anyone off of the team, then you don't have a team and you're on your own. :laugh:



We COULD armwrestle for it, although I don't want to make you cry. :pound::boxing:

Dont you have gold to pan?:crazy:

Red Valley BBQ
01-12-2013, 03:22 PM
Ahhhhhhhhhh the pleasure of being a one man team!!!!

Not this year!!! I plan on shigging from you this season!! :becky:

Theresa B
01-12-2013, 04:55 PM
We are a married team...it has been firmly established that I make the final decisions!