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huminie
10-18-2012, 12:20 PM
Competition BBQ is a bit like college football with no playoff system to determine an overall champion. Add to that the fact that the sport is highly subjective from the get go and the logistics can make it difficult for teams to compete everywhere they would like to.

Just wondering what people's opinions are of who they consider to be "The Best".

Is it Big Poppa's Smokers for winning GC over 154 grand champions in the American Royal Invitational?

Is it Shiggin & Grinnin for winning GC over those 154 grand champions and the other ~350 additional teams at the American Royal Open?

Is it Lucky's Q for winning the tournament style Sam's Club National BBQ tour?

Is it whomever wins the upcoming Jack Daniel's World Championship?

Is it the top team in the KCBS ToY standings at the end of the year?

Or is it the top team in some other national ranking system?

Something else?

There are arguments for and against each one of these as they all have their merits and weaknesses in deciding who the true best is.

All these teams have risen to the occasion and proved they are among the very best, if not THE best, and deserve huge congratulations.

So, in your opinion, who should be considered the best and why?

Untraceable
10-18-2012, 12:21 PM
Ug Oh, looks like we need the BCS

Podge
10-18-2012, 12:57 PM
Very interesting subject!.. IMO, I would think right now, the Best is the Team of the Year, and/or The Sam’s series. This I think, states the best BBQ team of 2012. In my opinion, I think Mike Wozniac, QUAU, is the best BBQ’er of the 21st century. I want to emulate him. He does his own thing, thinks out of the box, and kiss major a$$ when he’s on!!!

The_Kapn
10-18-2012, 01:02 PM
If you limit your discussion to primarily KCBS, I think a lot of credit could be given to any or all of those winning teams.

If you include the rest of the BBQ events and sanctioning bodies, there is no way to make any valid statement of who is the best.

There are a heck of a lot of top-notch teams that do not play in the KCBS.

TIM

bigabyte
10-18-2012, 01:08 PM
:pop2:

huminie
10-18-2012, 01:12 PM
But the American Royal and The Jack do not limit to KCBS only. We went to the Royal and competed in both the Invitational and Open based on our (only) GC in a PNWBA event, not KCBS. I am pretty proud of how the team did there.

Are there other events that bring in "the big boys" that I am missing?

And just to be clear, the point of this thread is just to generate some friendly dialog based on people's opinions.

Hawg Father of Seoul
10-18-2012, 01:13 PM
If you really want the best (KCBS) you would get 18 of the best judges and take all the teams you have mentioned and every judge tastes everything. Then you would do it two more times for a total of three turn ins across three days.

That would tell more than anything we are doing now.

landarc
10-18-2012, 01:15 PM
Does it matter? In the end, even the winner of the AR or Jack or Sam's can still go out there and post a mediocre score the following week. Look at the teams that auto'd into the AR, 7 wins a piece, and no crown.

The_Kapn
10-18-2012, 01:17 PM
:pop2:

YUP :grin:

TIM

huminie
10-18-2012, 01:20 PM
Does it matter? In the end, even the winner of the AR or Jack or Sam's can still go out there and post a mediocre score the following week. Look at the teams that auto'd into the AR, 7 wins a piece, and no crown.

Of course it doesn't matter! It's just BBQ. But it is fun to ponder.

Teamfour
10-18-2012, 01:21 PM
If I may be politically correct :puke: There are no winners or losers. Can't we all get along? :puke:

SirPorkaLot
10-18-2012, 01:29 PM
No way to tell..

Best answer I can give you is who was the best any particular day at any particular contest.

With subjective judging and many different sanctioning bodies, there cannot be a declaration of "best", only "best that day"

pat
10-18-2012, 01:44 PM
It's an Iowa team for sure...has to be :drama::tongue:

Smokin' Joe
10-18-2012, 01:45 PM
They are all the best:-D

I've got an idea, just need someone with the sponsorship money to make it happen:crazy:

A national BBQ playoff/chase system:
A series of 5 events held in different "BBQ" parts the country using local "expert" judges
Winners of all the big events and the top 5-10 in each major sanctioning body invited
Cummulative points chase - the highest combined point total is the national champion.

There's the idea, just need $500,000 prize fund to make it happen:mod:

Jacked UP BBQ
10-18-2012, 02:14 PM
11 gc's from a team in MD and they are not cherry picking comps, they have put themselves out there against the best. For this year, there is no one more consistent. I say 3eyz for sure this year!

JayAre
10-18-2012, 02:19 PM
The cream always rises to the top., look at the last 4 years (a college career, since that is the analogy used by the OP) over the last 4 years who has consistantly been at the top of the standings, or who has most GC/RGCs. they would have my vote.

rookiedad
10-18-2012, 02:20 PM
Of course it doesn't matter! It's just BBQ. But it is fun to ponder.
if you consider competition bbq a sport it does. i not only want to know who is considered the best year by year but also who is considered the overall best of all time. there should be some designating system.

SirPorkaLot
10-18-2012, 02:29 PM
if you consider competition bbq a sport it does.

Only if bowling is a sport :mmph:

Competition BBQ is a great way to meet others that share your hobby, and win bragging rights, cheap trophies and occasionally a check.

A sport?
Not by my definition :wink:

I have been a spectator and a participant in both sports & BBQ competitions.

One is an athletic event, the other is a fun hobby.

YMMV

CivilWarBBQ
10-18-2012, 02:31 PM
Just wondering what people's opinions are of who they consider to be "The Best".

Is it Big Poppa's Smokers .... Is it Shiggin & Grinnin ... Is it Lucky's Q... Is it whomever wins the upcoming Jack Daniel's World Championship?...


Something else?



It's the people who epitomize what the BBQ community should be by always demonstrating good sportsmanship, eagerness to help fellow enthusiasts and just plain fun.

I nominate the late Sam & Diane Grogan of Jus-Fer-Fun Cooking Crew. For me, they will always be The Best.

big brother smoke
10-18-2012, 02:32 PM
It becomes a sport, when my fat arse is a block away from turn in with 30 seconds on the clock :shocked:

TheJackal
10-18-2012, 02:35 PM
If I may be politically correct :puke: There are no winners or losers. Can't we all get along? :puke:

Why else would they give out ribbons for 10th place? :biggrin1:

My son's little league baseball team doesn't even get that for a 10th place finish. :tape:

Big Poppa
10-18-2012, 03:48 PM
Good question...Its not us...we had a great cook at the Royal and won.... but the best has to do it always like 3 eyz pigskin joe and a ton others...I also think that the best doesnt necessarily have to be this year Thats why Im hosting the King Of the Smokers.

Hey after the Royal we cooked and had a very sluggish and lethargic cook and results to match...It was hard to go after the royal. THe guys who won deserved it big time....

Podge
10-18-2012, 05:32 PM
I've played sports.. BBQ ain't a sport.. It's more closely compared to a beauty pagent. Your scores are based on the OPINIONS of judges.

huminie
10-18-2012, 05:44 PM
It becomes a sport, when my fat arse is a block away from turn in with 30 seconds on the clock :shocked:

Next time you see Kelly McIntosh, ask him about the time his life flashed before his eyes and he nearly died behind the turn in table....let's just say that when this truck gets into 18th gear, there's no stopping on a dime! :shocked:

shares
10-18-2012, 06:38 PM
I vote for the upcoming winner of the Jack, hey, it could happen :wink:

Rich Parker
10-18-2012, 06:46 PM
Teams like Quau and the others that cook 25+ comps a year should have all of their points count to make it a true Team of the Year in KCBS.

Right now 3Eyz is the hottest team out there.

sdbbq1234
10-18-2012, 07:15 PM
What the heck! Depends on what your expectations are.

Money?

For the fun of it?

"It's all about the money"

"Heck, it's just a good excuse to get outta the house and party".

What's the reason?

BTW, the college system sucks.

wallace

Smokin' Hicks
10-18-2012, 07:37 PM
If you really want the best (KCBS) you would get 18 of the best judges and take all the teams you have mentioned and every judge tastes everything. Then you would do it two more times for a total of three turn ins across three days.

That would tell more than anything we are doing now.


EXACTLY......to get an honest answer on this i think the only way is to do it exactly like stated above because almost any team can get lucky and beat one of the better teams in a single comp. but doing a series of cooks over a few days would be a true measuring stick of consistency which IMO is the best measuring stick....i don't know how you could measure how "good" a judge is other than the number of comps. they have judged which really doesn't mean that they know their BBQ but, getting the top judges out there would be a HUGE factor in judging the top team

boogiesnap
10-18-2012, 07:50 PM
i don't think the judges "quality" would be a determining factor.

Dan - 3eyzbbq
10-18-2012, 08:00 PM
The best? Tuffy. The man is a machine. I hope he continues to judge bbq pitmasters instead of cook every week :-D

Smokin' Hicks
10-18-2012, 08:15 PM
I am way more likely to go do a comp. where they have all certified judges....now if you had all master judges that would be even better...i know it is very minimal what one has to do to become a certified judge but my thinking is if the judges were all master judges you would at least tend to put a little more legitimacy into the judging itself simply do to the fact you know that the judges have done this several times over...I don't know, just my 2 cents I guess

Pelkster
10-18-2012, 09:22 PM
I don't agree with using the Team of the Year as a judge of being the best. I can only cook 5 or 6 competitions a year, so I will NEVER finish near the top of that race even if I GC every competition. IMO (for whatever its worth) the best team in the land is the one that wins the Jack. It takes skill just to get there, and yes a lot of luck, but there you are competing against teams from around the world. The winner is called the World Champion after all :wink:

huminie
10-18-2012, 09:30 PM
The Jack is a good contest for sure and every team there is definitely good and probably lucky. But the way the system works a lot of good/great teams are not invited and therefore a lot of unknowns and what ifs are introduced.

Meat & Heat
10-18-2012, 09:30 PM
MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE:loco:

Dustaway
10-18-2012, 10:33 PM
I would say Ronnie Wade Blazen BBQ & when Michelle cooks I put my money on her.

Crash
10-19-2012, 05:24 AM
If I had a buck to throw down...it would be on 3Eyz.

Solid topic for discussion though Huminie.

boogiesnap
10-19-2012, 07:01 AM
I am way more likely to go do a comp. where they have all certified judges....now if you had all master judges that would be even better...i know it is very minimal what one has to do to become a certified judge but my thinking is if the judges were all master judges you would at least tend to put a little more legitimacy into the judging itself simply do to the fact you know that the judges have done this several times over...I don't know, just my 2 cents I guess

i can agree with that for sure. however, there are clearly a number of teams who can win consistently regardless of judging pool or region.

i.e. alexa just wrote in another thread how they went into texas and GC'ed.

Bourbon Barrel BBQ
10-19-2012, 07:35 AM
Best at KCBS or best all around comp cooker? My answer isn't going to be a popular one. If you gather up all these teams and told them to show up to an event and it could be from any sanctioning body KCBS, MBN, FBA, GBA, etc. I'm going to have my money on Myron. I think there are better KCBS teams than him right now but there are not many cooks that can walk into ANY sanctioning body and have a shot at winning like Myron does.