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Pigs on Fire
10-16-2012, 03:57 PM
The second year of the Sam's Club Series has come and gone. Some teams through the two years have had poor experiences, some have had great and most have had 'normal'.

There is no doubt that what they are doing is good for Competition BBQ. I don't want to get into their provisions for utilities. What's expected in the Southeast seems to be a gold-plated luxury item in the Midwest, so there's no need to delve into that aspect of their contests.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that they laid out roughly $1M for the 2012 year in prize money, operational expenses, salaries, generator rental, etc. There is no other company even on the radar as far as what sort of cash is being fronted by Sam's for this series. Well, they acquired several more sponsors this year than last, so I'm sure Tyson, Reiser's, etc., footed a good bit of that bill, but still, Sam's took the wheel and rolled with it.

I have to wonder how long it is going to take the marketing drones at other national retail chains (we all know who they are, there's not that many of them) to come up with something like this.

It would only be a good thing. The marketing and advertising people (man, I am having a tough time holding my tongue, but I'm making it...mostly) at the large companies will have to wake up and take notice.

So....who is going to be next? And no, it's not a matter of if, but who and when...

pat
10-16-2012, 04:23 PM
I would think it would be a store based out of the Midwest, so we can have another unfair advantage when it comes to cooking. :wink:

Scottie
10-16-2012, 05:26 PM
Im thinking Maytag Blue Cheese... Or Smokey D's BBQ....

bearnakedbbq
10-16-2012, 06:09 PM
I'm ready for 2013 Sams Events. Any clue when these dates will be released?

Rich Parker
10-16-2012, 06:17 PM
Dollar General is rumored to be putting a large purse.

Brew-B-Q
10-16-2012, 07:29 PM
Rumor has it it will be bigger next year. I was told they were adding a sixth regional in the midwest. Maybe it is so all of the IA teams can battle it out before getting to the final.

I do have to question the money making side of this from Sam's Club. I'm sure they make money on it, because they charge all of the sponsors who are already in way deep with the clubs and Wal-mart stores. But, I really don't think there was much of a draw at any of the events that would satisfy a ROI on $1m if that's what they put out. It's not like it was picked up on ESPN or anything. I really hope it continues and I love the tournament style. Would like to see more like that, even if they were more regional than national to attract more teams unwilling or unable to travel great distances. Just wonder how long the sponsors will continue to make this profitable for Sam's.

DawgPhan
10-16-2012, 08:13 PM
I am a little torn on the Sam's Club thing. On the one hand, more money, more attention, never a bad thing, but the marietta contest is the exact opposite of what I love about bbq competitions.

It's been fun to compete and dream about moving on, but that hasnt happened yet and I am sure I will be signed up for next year.

It's great that they do it and I love that they are spending other people's money in competition bbq.

jaestar
10-16-2012, 08:23 PM
They said at the DSM contest that it significantly increased meat sales not just that weekend but all summer. They said it tracked that way at every store they had an event and stores really wanted to be selected to have contests.

Hawg Father of Seoul
10-16-2012, 09:34 PM
Rumor has it it will be bigger next year. I was told they were adding a sixth regional in the midwest. Maybe it is so all of the IA teams can battle it out before getting to the final.

I do have to question the money making side of this from Sam's Club. I'm sure they make money on it, because they charge all of the sponsors who are already in way deep with the clubs and Wal-mart stores. But, I really don't think there was much of a draw at any of the events that would satisfy a ROI on $1m if that's what they put out. It's not like it was picked up on ESPN or anything. I really hope it continues and I love the tournament style. Would like to see more like that, even if they were more regional than national to attract more teams unwilling or unable to travel great distances. Just wonder how long the sponsors will continue to make this profitable for Sam's.

Dude, it is advertising. A million bucks goes nowhere in a national campaign.

What's the cost of 1 superbowl ad these days?

CBQ
10-17-2012, 07:06 AM
I do have to question the money making side of this from Sam's Club.

Troy Black was asked this at our local. He said Sam's had two business objectives for the contests. They wanted to increase the number of club memberships, and increase sales at the clubs hosting the contests.

He said the series is meeting both of these objectives. Clubs typically get a 25-30% boost in sales on the weekend of a contest.

Other things we learned:


Public draw to the event isn't the point, getting people inside the club and shopping is. Some events don't seem to have a lot of public attention, but if they are going to Sams to have a look, and shop while they are there, mission accomplished.
They don't widely advertise the contests. Ads are always local (in the club, local papers and radio) because most clubs can't handle a large number of the general public showing up.
Location of the contests is mainly based on the performance of the club. Only high performing clubs participate.
Our experience was that while the general public wandering through and asking questions was lower than at most contests, we seemed to get more thoughtful questions about BBQ. People that did have a look were curious about BBQ and not there for beer or bands (because their aren't any), and the Sam's series has sponsors giving out free samples, so that cut down on the usual requests for food.

CBQ
10-17-2012, 07:17 AM
I would think it would be a store based out of the Midwest, so we can have another unfair advantage when it comes to cooking. :wink:

How about Staples, Dunkin' Donuts, or EMC? :becky:

Pack-A-Smokes
10-17-2012, 09:17 AM
I have said this very thing. It's just a matter of time before some other national company catches on.

Patrickkva
10-17-2012, 09:24 AM
IMHO the Sam's Club series is a very well run event. We did get a good number of people asking when we were giving out samples and had to tell them when the "Sam's Club BBQ Series" event/demonstrations were going to take place. But it was really no big deal. I did like the fact that the demonstrations started an hour before turn-in, perhaps in an attempt to keep folks away from teams getting their meat done.
My humble suggestion for next year is to give teams brochures to hand out to the curious people about what is taking place. I don't mind being a BBQ Ambassador, but it got kind of repetitive :wink:.

dmprantz
10-17-2012, 09:43 AM
I think an emphasis for 2013 should be integrity and rules compliance. It's been said that at least one team was caught breaking the rules at a local in 2012 and allowed to advance to the regional level.

dmp

Muzzlebrake
10-17-2012, 12:17 PM
I think an emphasis for 2013 should be integrity and rules compliance. It's been said that at least one team was caught breaking the rules at a local in 2012 and allowed to advance to the regional level.

dmp

"It's been said"?

Is that innuendo, rumor or something that you know for fact? That's a pretty serious accusation

dmprantz
10-17-2012, 12:40 PM
It was documented and discussed here on The Brethren, and no on refuted it. Since I wrote the above post, I've been notified that a team with similar circumstances, perhaps the same team, made it all the way to nationals and got a call. It was known because the person in charge of the series mentioned that fact when calling the team name and explained that the team was DQed and then allowed to buy more meat and start over. I did not personally hear it said, but any one who as at awards is welcomed to refute me.

dmp

EDIT: Just to clarify. I was not at the original competition, nor was I at nationals, but I've heard it said from three different sources, one of which was quoting the person in charge. That is why I said "It's been said" rather than "I know for a fact." If any one in a position to know corrects me on this, I'd be glad to listen, but to date, no one has said that.

NRA4Life
10-17-2012, 12:53 PM
It is true, it was said by Troy Black at the finals awards. I was there.

Slamdunkpro
10-17-2012, 01:01 PM
I'm not sure we'd do it again unless they fix the judge shortage problem. At two events (one a regional) they were pulling people off the street / out of the store to judge.

Rub
10-17-2012, 01:02 PM
It is true, it was said by Troy Black at the finals awards. I was there.

Ditto.

Sent from deep in the swamp.

Pigs on Fire
10-17-2012, 01:38 PM
So much for a little serious discussion on this.

stan
10-17-2012, 03:57 PM
My understanding is the team in question took there meat off the premises after it was inspected (heard it was just chicken) and when returned they took the meat and told them that they could get new meat if they wanted. Troy called it a DQ but not sure how the rules read on that or not but with a short amount of time (9 am) going purchasing new meat, trimming, seasoning it and cooking it I don't have a problem with it. They penalized them by taking the meat in question.

This was our first year competing and we had a great time and will definitely try to return to Bentonville next year!

Pigs on Fire
10-17-2012, 04:03 PM
Thank you dmprantz for jacking up this thread.

dmprantz
10-17-2012, 04:10 PM
I'm not really trying to have a long drawn out thread on the issue (again). I thought this was a discussion, at least in part, as to the future of the Sam's event and changes or improvements people would like. That is my thought on a change for improvement. As for the question on what the rule says:

7) All competition meats shall be inspected by the Official Meat Inspector during the times established by the contest organizer but not prior to the day before judging. Once the competition meat has been inspected, it shall not leave the contest site...Competition meat not meeting these qualifications shall be disqualified; given a one (1) in all criteria by all six judges.

When this first came up I researched past years of KCBS rules to see if perhaps the DQ portion was applied just to pre-seasoned meat, but as I recall, the note on a DQ and leaving the competition site were added the same year, so it would not appear so. While it's possible based on the type of DQ (1 in all categories) it's only meant to apply once the meat is turned in, it has been pointed out that other teams in other comps have been DQed on the spot and not given a chance to purchase new meat.

dmp

dmprantz
10-17-2012, 04:13 PM
Thank you dmprantz for jacking up this thread.

Please see my previous post, but if I misunderstood the intent of this thread, I apologize. I can't help it if people asked for more information on my post, can I? I guess we should all just pretend that things like this don't happen and hold flawed items up on pedestals.

dmp

stan
10-17-2012, 04:38 PM
- There were are lot more brands that were at the Sams Club nationals showing off there stuff spice companies, grill companies, etc so I bet you will see several more companies come on board to help make this bigger but I can see that with the National BBQ Cup in Georgia, What the FBA is doing and other sanctioning bodies that their will be some more big companies coming out to hit BBQ. The thing will be if it is companies outside of general retail, bbq and food related that get involved! I think you will start seeing those companies as well.

Pigs on Fire
10-17-2012, 05:28 PM
I thought this was a discussion, at least in part, as to the future of the Sam's event and changes or improvements people would like.


It would probably benefit you to re-read the Original Post. This thread wasn't intended to be a gripe-fest on what did and what didn't go right at any particular Sam's Club Series event.

It appears you weren't the only one that the intent skipped over, so I guess it's ok.

It was my intent to have an intelligent conversation with some of the Comp BBQ community about the (hopefully) bright future that is on the horizon with regards to the growth of the sport (or whatever the cool word is this month).

I couldn't care less about what happened when someone took a probable contest meat off-site and was later discovered to have done so and purchased new meat and started over. You probably haven't noticed, but I don't engage in the nit-pick threads where a gaggle of folks might be analyzing exactly what went down at a contest they weren't even at.

If anyone wants to pick this thread back up on the original subject, let's roll with it.

Sauced!
10-17-2012, 05:39 PM
I hope they redo the regions or add some additional regions. Having NC in with PA, NJ and NY makes no sense.

Rub
10-17-2012, 06:30 PM
I enjoyed every aspect of the contests and the series and made it a point to tell Troy the same in an email. I encourage others to do the same. I did add some feedback which he made a point to tell us he encouraged.

columbia1
10-17-2012, 06:36 PM
I hope they would add the Pacific Northwest!!!

CBQ
10-17-2012, 08:48 PM
I hope they redo the regions or add some additional regions. Having NC in with PA, NJ and NY makes no sense.

Having Long Island be the only New England contest, and having the regional in Virginia makes for one long drive.

Muzzlebrake
10-17-2012, 08:57 PM
I apologize if I inadvertently steered the thread away from your intended direction. I missed the discussion about what had happened and that was the first I heard about it.

As far as the Series, I'm a big fan. We've competed both years so far and while we haven't cooked well enough to advance, I'll be back signing up own the first day again next year.

Muzzlebrake
10-17-2012, 09:13 PM
It would probably benefit you to re-read the Original Post. This thread wasn't intended to be a gripe-fest on what did and what didn't go right at any particular Sam's Club Series event.

It appears you weren't the only one that the intent skipped over, so I guess it's ok.

It was my intent to have an intelligent conversation with some of the Comp BBQ community about the (hopefully) bright future that is on the horizon with regards to the growth of the sport (or whatever the cool word is this month).

I couldn't care less about what happened when someone took a probable contest meat off-site and was later discovered to have done so and purchased new meat and started over. You probably haven't noticed, but I don't engage in the nit-pick threads where a gaggle of folks might be analyzing exactly what went down at a contest they weren't even at.

If anyone wants to pick this thread back up on the original subject, let's roll with it.

You know maybe I'm just a dumb knuckledragger, but I did what you suggested and now I'm more confused.

It seems to me after rereading the original post that after you offered your observations on what was expected in various regions, the experience most of the teams had and your feeling about marketers and advertisers, you were asking which of the unnamed national brand name stores were going to sponsor a similar series.

The second year of the Sam's Club Series has come and gone. Some teams through the two years have had poor experiences, some have had great and most have had 'normal'.

There is no doubt that what they are doing is good for Competition BBQ. I don't want to get into their provisions for utilities. What's expected in the Southeast seems to be a gold-plated luxury item in the Midwest, so there's no need to delve into that aspect of their contests.

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that they laid out roughly $1M for the 2012 year in prize money, operational expenses, salaries, generator rental, etc. There is no other company even on the radar as far as what sort of cash is being fronted by Sam's for this series. Well, they acquired several more sponsors this year than last, so I'm sure Tyson, Reiser's, etc., footed a good bit of that bill, but still, Sam's took the wheel and rolled with it.

I have to wonder how long it is going to take the marketing drones at other national retail chains (we all know who they are, there's not that many of them) to come up with something like this.

It would only be a good thing. The marketing and advertising people (man, I am having a tough time holding my tongue, but I'm making it...mostly) at the large companies will have to wake up and take notice.

So....who is going to be next? And no, it's not a matter of if, but who and when...

so I'm not confused again would you mind letting me know who the other national retail chains are? I'm not sure what the retail market is in your area but I have seen an increasingly large number of national chains. In fact, in most of my travels I've come across malls full of them.

Thanks

nycbbq
10-17-2012, 09:57 PM
For what it is worth, the samples being handed out in Medford, LI ( Tyson chicken and some flank steak) were inedible.