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woodpelletsmoker
09-09-2012, 12:31 AM
DOG is a degraded model of WOLF.
One probe, one output.
AC/DC Adapter 12 VDC 5 Amps.
Digital Programmable PID SSR output 12 VDC 2 Amps.
4 temperature stages,
high/low temperature alarm, C- F option.
Fan 10 CFM. Optional 50 CFM.
You can define maxmium and minimium speed of fan by changing parameters of UDC and HDC. This way you can use 50CFM fan as 10 CFM fan when used in a smaller smoker.
Dog is same kind as Auber except bigger Amps, flexible fan, and 4 temerature stages. Dog and Auber are one generation better than IQ 110 and Guru NANO.

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AC/DC adapter 12 VDC 5 A
10 CFM fan,
Flange A for Offset
US$99.Free SAL mail

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AC/DC adapter 12 VDC 5 A
10 CFM fan,
Flange C for Offset
US$99.Free SAL mail

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AC/DC adapter 12 VDC 5 A
10 CFM fan,
Flange B for Ceramic Pit
US$109.Free SAL mail

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AC/DC adapter 12 VDC 5 A
10 CFM fan,
Flange D for Weber series
US$109.Free SAL mail

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AC/DC adapter 12 VDC 5 A
50 CFM fan,
Flange A for Offset
US$109.Free SAL mail

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AC/DC adapter 12 VDC 5 A
50 CFM fan,
Flange C for Offset
US$109.Free SAL mail

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AC/DC adapter 12 VDC 5 A
10 CFM fan,
Flange B for ceramic pit
US$119.Free SAL mail

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AC/DC adapter 12 VDC 5 A
50 CFM fan,
Flange D for WSM
US$119.Free SAL mail


Set aside 10 sets of US$99 package at US$58 for BBQ-Brethren.com
3 sets have been sold.
If you want US$58 promotional offer, please follow posting here.
By accepting this price of US$58, you are expected to post testimonial on different BBQ Forums

pixcolor
09-10-2012, 05:32 PM
The probe in these photos looks like what the meat probe should be in your other models. Are the probes interchangeable? I would like to be able to use this as the meat probe on my Wolf model.

woodpelletsmoker
09-10-2012, 06:24 PM
yes exactly the same probe. US$10 for probe,$5 for SAL mail cost

landarc
09-10-2012, 06:36 PM
Here in the U.S., degraded might not be the best word. I might have used the term simplified, or budget-conscious.

woodpelletsmoker
09-11-2012, 09:01 PM
If you want to buy DOG package at US$58,Please post below.
First 10 buyers will get prmomotional price of US$58 . After that I will change back to normal price of US$99.
I am on fishing vocation (for silver bream and red snapper) and will be back Beijing later Spet.I will send then.
You can pay anytime as long as you are in top 10 buyers.
So far there are 3 buyers pixcolor, scottacious and chennemann.
The three packages have been sent out

Coughitup
09-16-2012, 08:24 AM
I would like to obtain a promotional priced unit if there are any available.

woodpelletsmoker
09-16-2012, 08:17 PM
I would like to obtain a promotional priced unit if there are any available.
You are the 4th buyer
6 sets are still available
I will be back office in about one week

scm1226
09-17-2012, 06:20 PM
Are the wires exposed like the one in the picture? Really want a PID but not sure.

woodpelletsmoker
09-17-2012, 07:29 PM
high temperature wires in the fan and controller

Toronto
09-18-2012, 10:02 AM
Hi I would like to buy one at the promo price if it is still available.

I live in Canada will that be an issue?

opp493
09-21-2012, 07:20 PM
I would like to buy a promotional priced unit if there are any available

woodpelletsmoker
09-22-2012, 03:28 AM
Hi I would like to buy one at the promo price if it is still available.

I live in Canada will that be an issue?
You are the 5th

woodpelletsmoker
09-22-2012, 03:28 AM
I would like to buy a promotional priced unit if there are any available
your are 6th

woodpelletsmoker
09-22-2012, 03:34 AM
I am back Beijing office today after fishing trip.
I catched 100+ silver bream in 3 days. Other days were big wind and I was kept at hotel in a small island.
You can place order now.

Dear Coughitup Toronto,opp493, you can place order now by making payment of US$58 to eBay@allchinas.com via www.paypal.com. Please leave me your BBQ-Brethren ID

jetfxr27
09-24-2012, 11:54 AM
Any pictures?

cowboyupbbq
09-26-2012, 08:39 PM
Are there any left at the $58 price?

woodpelletsmoker
09-26-2012, 11:27 PM
Are there any left at the $58 price?
To accept US$58 you need to post testimonials on different BBQ Forums

chambersuac
09-27-2012, 02:22 AM
Looks like quite a deal. If I had any money, one would be mine.

woodpelletsmoker
09-27-2012, 05:14 AM
Looks like quite a deal. If I had any money, one would be mine.

You are welcomed

chambersuac
09-27-2012, 05:28 AM
You are welcomed

Thank you, but I am in the hospital and just lost my job and house. IF I had money, I'd love one. I hope they all get good homes

pixcolor
09-27-2012, 08:57 PM
Got it
First off, I think there should be three separate plugs and jacks for probe, power and fan. The included plug is messy. Received mine with one wire not connected. I connected it with no problem, but shouldn't have to.
The piece on the back looks like it could maybe be used, either to connect to some kind of stand or something. Otherwise get rid of it. You could maybe print some instructions on the back.
I set it to 200 F and it goes to 227 F. When it gets back down to 205F, the fan is running. This is the third time I have tried it. What can I do? I really want this to work, but just don't think it is finished.

woodpelletsmoker
09-27-2012, 09:13 PM
Output is PID. What you mentioned is normal.
After LEARNING period, it will get more stable

woodpelletsmoker
09-27-2012, 09:19 PM
Fine tuning P,I,D.
Press "SET" for a few seconds till appearing "P", click "SET" will appear I, and D.
#1,set I=0, D=0 and try different P value. Draw grahping of temperature vs time for different value of P
You will find best value of P
#2, Using above P or a little smaller, set D=0, and try different I, drawing graph again
you will find best I
#3, Uing about P,I and try different D, drawing graph, you will find D.

By fine tuning PID, you will shorten "learning" period and less temperature swing

woodpelletsmoker
09-27-2012, 09:20 PM
In WOLF I use 4 plugs for power, fan and probes. I use one plg in DOG in purpose

woodpelletsmoker
09-27-2012, 09:21 PM
The plastic block on the back is for you to attach it to a metering box.
You can remove it if yu do not need it

moosesbbq
09-28-2012, 12:59 PM
I'm interested in two units at the promotional priced as we discussed on Ebay. I'll post feedback and suggestions if you can get them to me prior to Lambs Farm Oct 19-20.

pixcolor
09-28-2012, 04:18 PM
In WOLF I use 4 plugs for power, fan and probes. I use one plg in DOG in purpose
Why?

woodpelletsmoker
09-28-2012, 06:24 PM
I'm interested in two units at the promotional priced as we discussed on Ebay. I'll post feedback and suggestions if you can get them to me prior to Lambs Farm Oct 19-20.
I can send immediately after your payment.
But it is up to post office when it will reach you.
Usually SAL takes 3 weeks. One lucky ID here got in 2 weeks.
But unhappy buyers gt in 5 weeks.
You can also pay extra shipping cost for faster shipping
Say US$10 extra for air mail. Air mail usually takes 2 weeks
or US$60 for EMS which takes one week

woodpelletsmoker
09-28-2012, 06:27 PM
Why?
and cheaper

woodpelletsmoker
09-28-2012, 07:14 PM
Temperature swing depands on the controller and the smoker itsself.
Yesterday I smoked 2 lbs mutton together with potato, sweet potato, and corn
I set smoker temperature at 320F and meat targeted at 160F.
It took about one hour for meat to reach to 160F.
I kept the meat at 160 F for 3 hours.
It is well done and juicy too. NO wrapped, not watering.
In chinese tradition we eat meat always WELL DONE.
Personally I think that temperature effects less on mutton.
The smoker temperature jumped between 317F to 321F. In most time 319F to 321 F.
When keeping meat at 160F, smoker temperature dropped also and the corn was half done, OK I ate it. but the potato and sweet potato were nearly un cooked.
I used reverse flow offset grill with my gravity feed burner and controller of LION.
For the grill please visit www.allchinas.com and Model is Reverse 282
I add 1" of lining by stove mud inside, which is not shown in the web pictures
Even with reverse flow, and forced circulation inside the grill, temperature difference from left to right is as high as 10F.
Does anyone mearsure temperature difference at both ends on a common offset

pixcolor
09-28-2012, 07:21 PM
and cheaper

But you are comparing to Auber, which has separate plugs, yet you claim yours is better? The Auber also, I believe, has different programs, but works very well without the learning. I have used this Dog controller three times and still when I set it to 200F it goes to 225-230F before slowing down. And when jt gets down to 205F, the fan still turns on. And when I check P, I, and D settings,they are still at default settings. Should they change as it "learns"?

woodpelletsmoker
09-28-2012, 08:59 PM
But you are comparing to Auber, which has separate plugs, yet you claim yours is better? The Auber also, I believe, has different programs, but works very well without the learning. I have used this Dog controller three times and still when I set it to 200F it goes to 225-230F before slowing down. And when jt gets down to 205F, the fan still turns on. And when I check P, I, and D settings,they are still at default settings. Should they change as it "learns"?
You need to find out P,I,D by yourself on your own smoker.
If you use default settings of PID, you may need to wait some time then it will get stable.

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If you set P=0, it is just a common on-off thermostat.
When temperature reaches to 200F,it will be off, but your smoker may still get hotter and hotter, say to 220F and drop again.When it drops to 198F, the thermostat will be on, but your smoker may get colder and colder till 180F and it will rise again.

In P,I,D, mode, the thermostat will predict the "tendency" to act in advance.
Say even your pit is at 205F, it will still be on. After certain period, this "in advance" will be getting more and more accurate. By fine tuning the P,I,D, this "certain period" will be much short and temperature swing will be much less.

If all buyers want, in next production I will use seperate plugs again.

By the way Auber use 2 wires probe. I am using 3 wires probe.

woodpelletsmoker
09-28-2012, 09:06 PM
The Auber also, I believe, has different programs, but works very well without the learning.
By P,I,D , it must collect "history data" to predict tendency of changing
to collect "history data" is LERNING period.
(not exactly right, but as an explaination)
If you do not notice this learning period, which means that PID settings are good.Auber may use self-tuning. I am not sure.

pixcolor
09-28-2012, 09:26 PM
[B][/If all buyers want, in next production I will use seperate plugs again.B]
Yes, that would be much better. When I received my unit, one wire was disconnected. Tonight, another one disconnected. You don't need the heavy plugs that you use in the Wolf, but separate would be much better. Now the probe. Perhaps much smaller, maybe with a clip to attach it. I would like to clip it to the existing thermometer in the dome.

pixcolor
09-28-2012, 09:35 PM
You need to find out P,I,D by yourself on your own smoker.
If you use default settings of PID, you may need to wait some time then it will get stable.

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If you set P=0, it is just a common on-off thermostat.
When temperature reaches to 200F,it will be off, but your smoker may still get hotter and hotter, say to 220F and drop again.When it drops to 198F, the thermostat will be on, but your smoker may get colder and colder till 180F and it will rise again.

In P,I,D, mode, the thermostat will predict the "tendency" to act in advance.
Say even your pit is at 205F, it will still be on. After certain period, this "in advance" will be getting more and more accurate. By fine tuning the P,I,D, this "certain period" will be much short and temperature swing will be much less.

If all buyers want, in next production I will use seperate plugs again.

By the way Auber use 2 wires probe. I am using 3 wires probe.

Thanks for that. When you say
'In P,I,D, mode, the thermostat will predict the "tendency" to act in advance."
if I set p to 0. Then is it not in pid mode, or is it always in pid mode?

pixcolor
09-28-2012, 09:41 PM
The plastic block on the back is for you to attach it to a metering box.
You can remove it if yu do not need it

What is a metering box?

woodpelletsmoker
09-28-2012, 10:57 PM
Thanks for that. When you say
'In P,I,D, mode, the thermostat will predict the "tendency" to act in advance."
if I set p to 0. Then is it not in pid mode, or is it always in pid mode?
In certain circumstance I=0, D=0 may be better

woodpelletsmoker
09-28-2012, 11:20 PM
I'm interested in two units at the promotional priced as we discussed on Ebay. I'll post feedback and suggestions if you can get them to me prior to Lambs Farm Oct 19-20.

I guess that is you. please confirm
7 sets are sold by today.
There are 3 sets of US$58 left.
First Come, First Win!

Scottacious
09-29-2012, 03:24 AM
After doing a couple of smokes on a kamado i can say this product does what it says. Trying this on a bullet was a different story as there is definitely more end user time needed. Will post my full review later.

woodpelletsmoker
09-29-2012, 03:46 AM
After doing a couple of smokes on a kamado i can say this product does what it says. Trying this on a bullet was a different story as there is definitely more end user time needed. Will post my full review later.

I am anxiou to wait for first testimonial

woodpelletsmoker
10-05-2012, 10:29 AM
last 4 orders of DOG package were sent today. You shall receive in 2 to 3 weeks.
Sorry for later delivery due to lack of AC/DC adapter.
I just received the adapter yesterday while we are in national day holiday

pixcolor
10-06-2012, 01:16 PM
After doing a couple of smokes on a kamado i can say this product does what it says. Trying this on a bullet was a different story as there is definitely more end user time needed. Will post my full review later.

When using it on the kamado have you changed the PID settings, or left them are default? I find on my Visions Kamado, the temperature over shoots by 20-30 degrees with default settings.

woodpelletsmoker
10-06-2012, 08:20 PM
When using it on the kamado have you changed the PID settings, or left them are default? I find on my Visions Kamado, the temperature over shoots by 20-30 degrees with default settings.
Leave the job to controller.
please check my offset REVERSE 282 http://allchinas.com/offset/
I smoked beef yesterday at 106C. it stayed at 105-106 C, occassionally 107 C.
After starting the fire, I blocked flue. Smoke escaped from gaps of cover.
The fan creats FORCED ciuculation inside the smoker.
Temperature on left and right is just 1 C difference.

The BURNER is very important too to maintain a stable temperature.

Mapleleaf
10-10-2012, 08:44 AM
any left at $58? I'd like to try one on my offset smoker.

anyone used one of these on a medium sized offset?

woodpelletsmoker
10-10-2012, 09:14 AM
any left at $58? I'd like to try one on my offset smoker.
anyone used one of these on a medium sized offset?
I do not have competitors
DOG output is variable voltage.
Auber output is solid state relay.
You can buy 50 CFM fan, but define its real maximium capacity according to your own smoker, say 10 CFM, or 25 CFM, or 40 CFM.

Mapleleaf
10-10-2012, 09:38 AM
So..do you have any left at $58 for me to try? - I'd give it a go at that price. I'm looking at yours or an Auber instruments set up. I think a 10cfm fan would work.

How does your controller work in cold weather? Any problem in colder temperatures? This appears to be bit of an issue for other systems.

I certainly do not mind reviewing the product. Let me know if there are any left at the promotional price.

woodpelletsmoker
10-10-2012, 10:30 AM
'colder temperatures', How cold is it

Mapleleaf
10-10-2012, 11:13 AM
Winter temperatures regularly fall to -5 to -10C (Dec-March). I'd like to barbeque during these months, particularly during the holidays. I've read that the Auber system has had trouble in colder climates, although I'm not sure if this has not been corrected.

I've been able to use my old cheapo smoker for many years during the winter, but I would like to try a more automated system. I've picked up a Char-Griller knock off (side firebox)and would like to use it as a test bed. It will be quite an experiment for me, but as an avid all grain larger scale homebrewer, I'm used to adaptation and experimentation.:wink:

Sorry to be repetitive, but are there any $58 systems left? Just wondering as this would be a factor in the system I decide to buy and try.

Thanks

woodpelletsmoker
10-10-2012, 07:44 PM
Beijing winter also is as low as -10C. I do not meet any problem.
THREE US$58 packages are still available.
By the way I also have thermostat FOX for Sous Vide and Home Brewer, please check www.allchinas.com/probe

Mapleleaf
10-10-2012, 10:13 PM
I will take a unit. How do I complete the transaction? I have Paypal.

I do not mind documenting my experience with it. Looks like I will need adapter "C"

Please send me payment/shipping details

Thanks

Mapleleaf

woodpelletsmoker
10-10-2012, 11:34 PM
I will take a unit. How do I complete the transaction? I have Paypal.

I do not mind documenting my experience with it. Looks like I will need adapter "C"

Please send me payment/shipping details

Thanks

Mapleleaf

just make payment to eBay@allchinas.com and leave your BBQ-Brethren.com ID there too

Mapleleaf
10-11-2012, 06:51 AM
Done. I'll look forward to trying your system. I will also look at your controls for homebrewing.

Thanks

Mapleleaf

Mapleleaf
10-16-2012, 08:20 AM
Please let me know when it ships.

I will have questions as well regarding setup of the PID. I think I have a basic understanding of the math behind the process control. Had to break out the old calculus book to get an understanding of the relationship between P, I and D.

Thanks

Mapleleaf

woodpelletsmoker
10-16-2012, 08:38 AM
Please let me know when it ships.

I will have questions as well regarding setup of the PID. I think I have a basic understanding of the math behind the process control. Had to break out the old calculus book to get an understanding of the relationship between P, I and D.

Thanks

Mapleleaf
No, you do not need to make any calculation.
Just try different combinations of P,I,D
Try P=1,5,10,20,50 when I=0,D=0
Try fixed P, I=1,5,10,20,50,100 when D=0
Try fixed P,I and set D=1,5,10,20,50,100

Mapleleaf
10-16-2012, 11:48 AM
I was just interested to see what each equation actually does to control the process. Interesting stuff, reaching back to my university days.:wacko:

So..did it ship yet?

thanks

Mapleleaf

woodpelletsmoker
10-17-2012, 11:00 AM
I was just interested to see what each equation actually does to control the process. Interesting stuff, reaching back to my university days.:wacko:

So..did it ship yet?

thanks

Mapleleaf
sent by SAL no. RA464856233CN.You shall receive in 3 weeks

Hello everybody, 2 sets of US$58 package are available now.

Dyno-sore
10-22-2012, 04:46 PM
Thanx adapter plate is 5 1/4" by 3 1/4"

Will post results as discussed!:mrgreen:

woodpelletsmoker
10-22-2012, 07:19 PM
There is ONE set of $58 left.
First come first win
last chance for US$58

pixcolor
11-10-2012, 10:18 AM
Winter temperatures regularly fall to -5 to -10C (Dec-March). I'd like to barbeque during these months, particularly during the holidays. I've read that the Auber system has had trouble in colder climates, although I'm not sure if this has not been corrected.

I've been able to use my old cheapo smoker for many years during the winter, but I would like to try a more automated system. I've picked up a Char-Griller knock off (side firebox)and would like to use it as a test bed. It will be quite an experiment for me, but as an avid all gra6in larger scale homebrewer, I'm used to adaptation and experimentation.:wink:

Sorry to be repetitive, but are there any $58 systems left? Just wondering as this would be a factor in the system I decide to buy and try.

Thanks


Just tried it for about 20 min at 9F or about -13C and it seemed to be O.K., unlike the Auber which was useless below freezing

woodpelletsmoker
11-10-2012, 08:26 PM
Just tried it for about 20 min at 9F or about -13C and it seemed to be O.K., unlike the Auber which was useless below freezing
In Beijing we are having warmer weather and I expect it to be 0C in one week.
Usually the coldest in Beijing is -10C.

How many of you do BBQ in winter time.

jetfxr27
11-14-2012, 02:53 PM
I do. Well I think we all do :wink:

MD20AND
11-27-2012, 10:18 AM
IS there still one left? IF so I would like to purchase. Just need instructions on where to go and what to do. I will definetly post my opinions after use.

Thank you

woodpelletsmoker
11-27-2012, 06:29 PM
IS there still one left? IF so I would like to purchase. Just need instructions on where to go and what to do. I will definetly post my opinions after use.

Thank you
Last set is yours