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Gr8adventure
08-03-2012, 09:56 PM
I have read that the instructions not the best, but still helpful, but I received my Tiger today and it came without any instructions. If there is anyway someone can scan the instructions and send them to me as a word document or pdf I'd be very grateful.

woodpelletsmoker
08-03-2012, 11:07 PM
operation manual at www.allchinas.com/probe/manual.htm
If you have anything unclear, please ask me

woodpelletsmoker
08-03-2012, 11:11 PM
I do not know what power you will use. Indeed 100 buyers may have 100 different powers.
The wire with ONE connector is power line for you. Attached connector is for MY controller. You need to connect your power to the other end

woodpelletsmoker
08-03-2012, 11:18 PM
The connector for fan is 2 pins.
The connector for power is 3 pins.
The connectrs for probe are smaller.
You will never make a mistake.

Gr8adventure
08-03-2012, 11:26 PM
operation manual at www.allchinas.com/probe/manual.htm
If you have anything unclear, please ask me

Thank you and I will!

woodpelletsmoker
08-03-2012, 11:33 PM
When did you place your order. Who are you.
I do not have cross link between your eBay ID, or eMail with BBE-Brethren.com. If you can please send me a PM

Gr8adventure
08-04-2012, 04:06 PM
Would Wang or one of the Brethren who own things unites assist. Thankfully my son knows how to solder so I was able to get need get the right connector for the power cord to work with my batter and my ac/dc converter.

Now my problem is I've been following the direction Wang provided via his website.

I was able to change from C to F. I have set the pit temp to 225F.

The next step in the instructions are for setting minimum fan speed. I have gotten to where the read out reads "UDS" as instructed, but mine actually says "UdS" and the "AUTO" light is green. However, regardless whether I press the "-" clear to "0" or the "+" to the maximum which is 255 the fan never comes one. So I'm stuck at this point.

I sure wish Wang would hire someone who speaks and writes English fluently to write a easier to read and follow set of instructions.

I'm really anxious to get this thing up and running, because I have a 9lb butt that has been waiting in the freezer for the arrival of this controller and I'd really like to put it on for dinner tomorrow.

thegizzard
08-04-2012, 05:07 PM
I have the Lion. I know its not too much help, but I would encourage you to be patient. Once you have the product up and running, you will love it.

I have my UDS set at 60. I could not get it to do exactly what the instructions said, but a setting of 60 works just fine for me.

colonel00
08-04-2012, 05:15 PM
I have never messed with changing the fan speed. For a typical cook, I just set the 1st pit set at the desired temp and set a long duration. I set the meat temp to 0 and turn it to auto. Sometimes it needs a little help "learning" the pit and I have to switch it to manualfor a bit to get the temps into the range they need to be. Once it is running it will hold forever. This is on a UDS by the way. Have you tried running it without messing with the minimum fan setting adjustments?

Gr8adventure
08-04-2012, 05:37 PM
I have the Lion. I know its not too much help, but I would encourage you to be patient. Once you have the product up and running, you will love it.

I have my UDS set at 60. I could not get it to do exactly what the instructions said, but a setting of 60 works just fine for me.

According to the directions when you are setting UDS you are supposed to press the "-" and "+" key until the fan turns on. The issue I'm having is the fan does not turn on anywhere between zero-255. However, the fan motor has gotten hot. Nevertheless, if I turn the controller off and back on the fan starts for about 1 second then quits.

**Edit**

Even though when I follow the directions for setting UDS above the fan does not start while in that set up mode as is suggested it will in the directions I've discovered it starts when I place the controller in manual and while in manual allows me to adjust the fan speed up and down. This leads me to believe that the manual incorrectly indicates that the fan will start when setting UDS.

The second issue I've discovered as it appears the battery I purchased from Ebay is either the incorrect battery or is no good. I double checked with Wang to see if the battery I was choosing would run the unit, but the fan will not run with the battery, but it will work when I plug it into an outlet via an ac/dc adapter.

The following is the description the Ebay Auction gave of the battery I purchased. Should this battery work?

Descriptions:
This Rechargeable battery is a 12 V 6800mah Li-ion Battery and it is specially designed for powering the system device which use 12V DC power. You can use this battery to power our powerful wireless transmitter, CCTV camera and so on . Suitable for your need

Specifications:
Color: Blue
Weight:162g
Capacity: 6800mAh.
Type:DC 12680
Size:90X62X19(mm)
Built-in ON/OFF switch to save power usage
Input voltage: 12.6V
Output voltage: 10.8~12.6 DC
Product life: Circulation charge and discharge ≥500 times

colonel00
08-04-2012, 05:44 PM
Pressing + and - in manual mode will adjust the fan speed. If you are in Auto mode, what other settings have you set? The fan will only come on when there is a target temp it is trying to reach.

woodpelletsmoker
08-04-2012, 07:42 PM
Answer to Gr8adventure
1.Bateery, if it is what it claims to be, it is GREAT! Obviously it is not
2.Min. fan speed. You can forget it! or Press "SET1" a few second till P appreaing, press "SET1" a few times till "UdC" appearing, Press left arrow "<" (I guess that you forget this step), and "AUTO" will blink, press "+", "-" to minimum speed of fan.
3.AUTO mode: please test it in your smoker, not on your desktop. What you mentioned is feature of P.I.D controller, a great feature than drawback

Gr8adventure
08-04-2012, 09:40 PM
IMO a hard copy manual should come with the unit and that the electronic copy should be in pdf rather than an HTML web page. I also was initially confused when I saw the online manual and the pictured controller is a different model than my Tiger. I saw nothing explaining the instructions are the same for all available models. That confusion may not make sense, but that did throw me off for a bit. A native English speaking technical writer should be hired to write a more thorough basic operation manual. Nevertheless after starting this morning around 9:00 a.m.. I think I've finally figured it out and look forward to my first butt cook, likely tomorrow.

Wang, thank you for your response to my questions. Now I need to find out if I either charged my battery incorrectly or if I got a bad one.

Good night all!

colonel00
08-05-2012, 02:14 AM
I am sorry that I tried to help someone with an honest question. Gr8tadventure, Pm me with any questions that I might be able to help with. It is obvious that this thread has degraded to douchebaggery and I will not submit myself to anything more. I am pretty sure I can get you up and running. Sorry to those that I may have offended, I am now done and on vacation from you ****s much like Guerry was. Thank you for making so difficult to help someone with a question.

thegizzard
08-05-2012, 10:40 AM
Wow. This is insane and upsetting.

I like this product. I am going to shoot a video. I will post it on my website. I will include a .pdf manual that I will write. I will do this all for free.

Why? Because I think pellet is getting bullied here.

If everyone understands that there are some language issues and this is a new product that is rough around the edges, then you know what you are getting into when you buy. At this moment the Lion is not plug and play, but when you have gotten through the learning curve you will be very very pleased at the value it offers.

I love the Internet. I have learned much from others. I have benefitted from the passion of others and have received much for little or no cost to myself. I am going to give back by helping Woodpellet out here.

Please ask me if you have questions about the product. I will set up a new thread for this.

Ron_L
08-05-2012, 11:16 AM
THIS THREAD HAS BEEN SCRUBBED!!!

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Any further posts that are not specifically related to the topic of this thread will be deleted.

Gr8adventure
08-05-2012, 12:04 PM
Wow. This is insane and upsetting.

I like this product. I am going to shoot a video. I will post it on my website. I will include a .pdf manual that I will write. I will do this all for free.

Why? Because I think pellet is getting bullied here.

If everyone understands that there are some language issues and this is a new product that is rough around the edges, then you know what you are getting into when you buy. At this moment the Lion is not plug and play, but when you have gotten through the learning curve you will be very very pleased at the value it offers.

I love the Internet. I have learned much from others. I have benefitted from the passion of others and have received much for little or no cost to myself. I am going to give back by helping Woodpellet out here.

Please ask me if you have questions about the product. I will set up a new thread for this.

thegizzard, I sent you a p.m.., before I saw that the mods cleaned up this thread. Until then I wasn't going to post anything in this thread again and just let it hopefully die a fast and painless death.:drama:

I agree with your every word and greatly appreciate your willingness to help.

I went into this purchase with my eyes wide open knowing of the difficulties. I'm personally thankful that Wang has made his product available to us. I'm confident with his continued obvious commitment to produce excellent product, to give great customer service, and with generously helpful Brethren like thegizzard the product and service will only keep getting better.

Well I woke up a little later than I planned today, so I won't be using the controller on my UDS to do my first butt as intended. I will instead use it to smoke my first Beer Can Chicken.

Pitmaster T
08-05-2012, 12:17 PM
Didn't see Ron's thing - Makes sense.

thegizzard
08-06-2012, 07:56 AM
Gr8adventure, were you able to test your unit with the UDS set at 60?

BTW, the way I got to 60 was by following the instructions, and as you said the fan never started moving, but I did start hearing an increasingly loud high pitched whine coming from the fan. This led me to believe the fan was trying to start. So I gave it a little nudge. At 60, it kept spinning after my nudge. So I've kept it at 60. Also, I have the HDC set at 97%.

Gr8adventure
08-06-2012, 12:27 PM
Gr8adventure, were you able to test your unit with the UDS set at 60?

BTW, the way I got to 60 was by following the instructions, and as you said the fan never started moving, but I did start hearing an increasingly loud high pitched whine coming from the fan. This led me to believe the fan was trying to start. So I gave it a little nudge. At 60, it kept spinning after my nudge. So I've kept it at 60. Also, I have the HDC set at 97%.

I miscommunicated when I said "UDS" set to 60. What I've actually done is set the maximum "UDC" (fan speed) to 60%. Now that I think about higher would likely be better to get the temp up quickly without have to use manual mode so maybe I'll set it to 80% or more.

Now that the directions have begun to make more sense to to me I realize now what I need to set is the minimum "UDC" (fan speed). This is the one that the directions say need to be adjusted until the fan begins running. That I'll do when its all attached to the UDS with a fire going.

I thing all this is beginning to make sense to me now. I've also begun to realize the part of my confusion has been that there seems to be some digital settings that come up on the display as I'm going through the settings I've not found explanations for in the directions.

Apparently I when it come to this stuff I belong on the Short Bus! :doh:

No, I never ended up firing up the smoker Sunday and now I will not be able to until this coming weekend. Hopefully by then I'll have this all figured out. However, I did cook my first beer can chicken using my Weber Kettle. It turned out well, but made me wonder how much better it would be on the UDS low n' slow. The goal for next weekend is Butts or Bust on the UDS running the controller.

I did get the fan attached to my UDS in a way that has it out of the way of feet and other hazards. I'll post a picture when I have more time.

dave2012bbq
08-06-2012, 11:48 PM
I have on of Wang's 12V DC fan. The Wang fan has a huge CFM output and will likely be able to handle a small commercial size smoker. The UDS is a home size smoke that would be an XX-small commercial size. All DC fans have a min. starting voltage needed. The 60% is likely too low to start your particular fan. You'll likely to get better results with a with a higher min. voltage (>60% setting). You may need to limit the amount of air blown to the UDS by adding a restrictor (something to partially block the air flow) or an air bypass (add a Tee fitting between the fan and smoker). Other brands of controllers have smaller output fans (lower CFM and run at near full CFM output, that is run at the higher settings.

I know of no smoker controller has used the PWM to control the fan speed. This would solve the stall and fail to start issues. The fan that Wang sold has 4 wires -- 2 wires for the DC postive and negative, a tach wire and a PWM speed controller wire. Much more expensive than the typical 2 wire computer fans. Using a Goolgle search, PWM controllers for temp. control are expensive, except when used for computer fan controllers. Unfortunately I don't know how to re-engineer one for the Q.

thegizzard
08-07-2012, 01:48 PM
To clarify, I do not have any fail to start issues. The only issue I see is that the stated instruction on how to set the minimum speed (UDC) do not operate as per the manual. Based on my experience attempting to follow the UDC setting instructions, I set the UDC at 60. The value of 60 for UDC (min speed) works fine for me and the value of 97% for HDC (max output power) also works fine for me.

With these settings and no other changes to any other values, I was able to control my pit temp for hours.

One of the reasons I purchased this unit was the ability to have a variable fan speed vs. simply on or off. I think this is an advantage for finer temperature control.