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Teamfour
07-30-2012, 04:18 PM
I think it is allowable, but is it brethrenly to only cook two of four meats at a comp. I want to do my first comp but not be completely overwhelmed the first time.

boogiesnap
07-30-2012, 04:23 PM
sure. wouldn't suggest it though.

you'll be overwhelmed anyway, might as well swing for the fence.

Red Valley BBQ
07-30-2012, 04:27 PM
Your first time out you should only cook what you are comfortable cooking. My first time out I was only going to cook chicken and ribs, but got talked into cooking pork and brisket as well by one of the organizers and haven't looked back since. If you get a price break on the entry fee to only enter two categories then go for it. If you have to pay the full entry fee, you might as well take a shot at the other two.

Gowan
07-30-2012, 04:51 PM
Since KCBS events rarely give you a discount for cooking less than 4 meats, I'd go for it. If you don't want to take on more than two, I'd suggest finding another person who is willing to do them on a separate cooker. Just split the entry fee down the middle and you each cook your own 2-entry contest. Whoever's entry gets a call keeps the loot!

early mornin' smokin'
07-30-2012, 05:00 PM
go for the gusto, you'll be fine!

Shiz-Nit
07-30-2012, 05:19 PM
I did my 1st comp last year and did darn good. I did the comp with no help it was just me and I was my own box runner. Did all 4 meats 50 some teams I think and ribs were my best that day 6 over all and the other meats were all in the top 20.

I advice go for it get a time sheet and stick to it. Do a few practice runs at home 1st and have fun.

Teamfour
07-30-2012, 05:52 PM
OK, none of this "diary of a wimpy Q'er" stuff. I'm going for it. Thanks for the vote of confidence!

Buckshot Malone
07-30-2012, 08:22 PM
90% of the time I compete solo. PM me with e-mail address and I'll send you my comp timeline. It will give you an idea of how times work with no help and may help you create your own timeline.

Jeff
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didisea
07-30-2012, 10:03 PM
I'd cook the pork and the brisky and skip the chicken and ribs! The big meats are much easier and forgiving than the chicken especially. Go for it. Get a time line together and you can do it.

BBQ Church
07-30-2012, 10:45 PM
I had this same thought, only cooking two meats, for my first competition. I've since decided to jump in and go for it... 4 meats, no experience, too much information(thanks to this site) and one tempermental offset smoker. We shall see what happens...

Butt Rubb'n BBQ
07-30-2012, 10:51 PM
I think it's a great idea. You probably won't win grand champion your first time out. No need to spend that much money on first cook. My first comp I only entered ribs and pork and placed second in pork.

swamprb
07-31-2012, 12:26 AM
Lets just say you are one of only 25 teams registered for a qualifying event (Jack draw-American Royal) and you only cooked 2 meats and did not bother to turn in the others. I'm pretty sure that the event would be declared a non qualifier.

And if a Brethren was the overall GC and was competing for a shot at one of those events, that would be a chitty thing to happen IMO. Better to turn in all 4 meats or stay home.

Teamfour
07-31-2012, 07:22 AM
Lets just say you are one of only 25 teams registered for a qualifying event (Jack draw-American Royal) and you only cooked 2 meats and did not bother to turn in the others. I'm pretty sure that the event would be declared a non qualifier.

And if a Brethren was the overall GC and was competing for a shot at one of those events, that would be a chitty thing to happen IMO. Better to turn in all 4 meats or stay home.

Good point!

fnbish
07-31-2012, 07:44 AM
Lets just say you are one of only 25 teams registered for a qualifying event (Jack draw-American Royal) and you only cooked 2 meats and did not bother to turn in the others. I'm pretty sure that the event would be declared a non qualifier.

And if a Brethren was the overall GC and was competing for a shot at one of those events, that would be a chitty thing to happen IMO. Better to turn in all 4 meats or stay home.

I don't think this comment is the best way to promote/grow competition bbq. If someone is just starting out and doesn't want to cook everything then they shouldn't feel like they have to or they will be shunned by the bbq community especially because there is nothing in the rules that says only entering a few meats is not allowed.

I'm not sure if what you stated about it could potentially declare an event a non qualifier is true or not, but even if it is "all the stars would have to align" for this to occur. And even then if it did occur would the one time a year it might happen be worth telling lots of new teams they shouldn't compete in a few categories because it is "bad taste" or however you want to phrase it and then have all those teams not begin competing?

Just seems silly.

columbia1
07-31-2012, 11:00 AM
If you cooked your big meats earlier then normal, you could let them rest for 3-4 hours, giving you plenty of time to worry about ribs and chicken.

Podge
07-31-2012, 11:37 AM
I don't cook 4 meats at a time.. I cook 2 meats at a time, twice. plan on getting your big meats done and in a cooler/cambro before your chicken and ribs go on the smoker.

Alexa RnQ
07-31-2012, 12:23 PM
I don't think this comment is the best way to promote/grow competition bbq. If someone is just starting out and doesn't want to cook everything then they shouldn't feel like they have to or they will be shunned by the bbq community especially because there is nothing in the rules that says only entering a few meats is not allowed.

I'm not sure if what you stated about it could potentially declare an event a non qualifier is true or not, but even if it is "all the stars would have to align" for this to occur. And even then if it did occur would the one time a year it might happen be worth telling lots of new teams they shouldn't compete in a few categories because it is "bad taste" or however you want to phrase it and then have all those teams not begin competing?

Just seems silly.
Yes, all 25 teams must turn in all four meats in order to be a qualifier. It's unnecessarily dramatic to declare that "lots" of new teams would be dissuaded from competing -- it's easy enough to find contests that aren't sitting right on the button at 15 or 25, whichever is required.

It's also bad form to denigrate the concerns of those shooting for invitational events as "silly". Cooking a couple dozen events per year, and having the dedication and skill to win enough to get drawn, is far from silly.

As far as the OP: We jumped right in with all four meats, had never been to a contest before, had no background information whatsoever. Honestly, most of your big expenses don't change whether you're cooking two meats or four, and as mentioned above, the big meats can be safely resting by the time you turn your attention to cooking the short meats. Having each meat on a reliable timeline, and cooking a four-meat practice at home will go a long way toward getting you into the swing of it.

Good luck!

big matt
07-31-2012, 12:55 PM
Yes, all 25 teams must turn in all four meats in order to be a qualifier. It's unnecessarily dramatic to declare that "lots" of new teams would be dissuaded from competing -- it's easy enough to find contests that aren't sitting right on the button at 15 or 25, whichever is required.

It's also bad form to denigrate the concerns of those shooting for invitational events as "silly". Cooking a couple dozen events per year, and having the dedication and skill to win enough to get drawn, is far from silly.

As far as the OP: We jumped right in with all four meats, had never been to a contest before, had no background information whatsoever. Honestly, most of your big expenses don't change whether you're cooking two meats or four, and as mentioned above, the big meats can be safely resting by the time you turn your attention to cooking the short meats. Having each meat on a reliable timeline, and cooking a four-meat practice at home will go a long way toward getting you into the swing of it.

Good luck!I couldn't agree more..if your going to compete why not go for the whole enchilada..cost really wouldn't be that much more your already there anyway..and as far as team count being filled by people half stepping just to make it hit a qualifier is "silly" and degrades the integrity of the comp and takes away from the people that are serious..in the end just cook them all theres nothing to be afraid of.

Gowan
07-31-2012, 01:25 PM
Better to turn in all 4 meats or stay home.


That makes no sense. The only thing this would do is eliminate another entry fee, making it harder for the organizer to fund the event. If a contest is hurting for teams, their status as a qualifier would be exactly the same if this hypothetical 2-meat entrant shows up or stays home.

fnbish
07-31-2012, 03:19 PM
Yes, all 25 teams must turn in all four meats in order to be a qualifier. It's unnecessarily dramatic to declare that "lots" of new teams would be dissuaded from competing -- it's easy enough to find contests that aren't sitting right on the button at 15 or 25, whichever is required.

It's also bad form to denigrate the concerns of those shooting for invitational events as "silly". Cooking a couple dozen events per year, and having the dedication and skill to win enough to get drawn, is far from silly.

As far as the OP: We jumped right in with all four meats, had never been to a contest before, had no background information whatsoever. Honestly, most of your big expenses don't change whether you're cooking two meats or four, and as mentioned above, the big meats can be safely resting by the time you turn your attention to cooking the short meats. Having each meat on a reliable timeline, and cooking a four-meat practice at home will go a long way toward getting you into the swing of it.

Good luck!

"Lots" is a relative term. I'm not saying thousands, but "some" could be. Many people are saying do the whole shebang or don't come at all. I completely feel that that is a "silly" statment. I don't want anyone to get hose out of a draw, but if the team entering doesn't have intention of hosing anyone yet chooses to enter just 2 categories then so be it. Sometimes that is how the cards may fall in life.

I'm no seasoned competitor, but trying to get there and I wouldn't want anyone else starting out to feel pressure from me or anyone that they have to do the "full monty" or other they will be looked down upon or thought of as not worth as much as other teams in terms of contributing to a competition. That's not good sportsmanship. It is fully within to rules to only enter whatever categories you want.


I couldn't agree more..if your going to compete why not go for the whole enchilada..cost really wouldn't be that much more your already there anyway..and as far as team count being filled by people half stepping just to make it hit a qualifier is "silly" and degrades the integrity of the comp and takes away from the people that are serious..in the end just cook them all theres nothing to be afraid of.

Not everyone feels this way. You can't speak for how other teams will feel their first time out and how they will feel competing or how much money they have to spend to compete. It is different for everyone. And yes if teams are half stepping just to make it hit a qualifier that is silly, but if they are doing to "ease into competition" with no ill intention so they don't feel overwhelmed or to keep cost down then that is fine by me.

Podge
07-31-2012, 03:46 PM
I don't buy the keeping costs down theory. (no pun intended).. it'll cost around $500 or so for 2 catagories, not including time off of work, etc.. might as well spend another $100 on two more catagories. If you're going into a competition to get some experience, might as well do a backyard one first if you're just going to cook 2 catagories. For that extra $100 and a bit of extra work, you now have 4 shots of getting a call instead of just 2.

besides, I've never heard a first time team cooking all 4, only to come back after a contest saying "man, I wished I just cooked 2"...but someone else might have.

Teamfour
07-31-2012, 06:20 PM
Wow, I didn't mean to create such a debate.:oops:

My goal is not to save money. It was simply to participate in a manner that would not be overwhelming.

However, thanks to a few great folks here, I now have sample timelines that give me an outline on how to cook all four meats and manage the complexity.

Butt Rubb'n BBQ
07-31-2012, 07:34 PM
Good luck. Let us know how you did.

swamprb
07-31-2012, 10:32 PM
A few years ago, I signed up to judge a KCBS contest in Albany, OR, when I showed up the KCBS Reps and Head Judge approached me and said that two teams had backed out at the last minute and they needed one team to make it a 25 team and a State Qualifier. Teams threw together meats and cookers for myself and another recruit to cook on, the organizer waived the entry fee and we pulled it off, came in third overall and my current teammate won GC and it was his ticket to the Jack and I got to cook with his team.
2009/2010 Left Hand Smoke set a goal to gain an Automatic invite to the Jack. JD and myself won 8 GC's but only 5 were Qualifying events, one was a Rib Cook and two were deal killers due to lack of teams and we got a lone Oregon bung that took us to the Jack. That just seems to be the way it is here on the Left corner of BBQ Land, contest saturation, the cost of competing and the lack of teams cooking as frequently. And every KCBS or PNWBA event I've ever cooked ever charged a per meat fee unless they were side categories. Maybe thats how they do it in other parts of the country with different sanctioning organizations, so go for it if they do, and have fun doing it.

I suppose my poor choice of words "or stay home" could be construed as being harsh, but the gist of my diatribe was to try to put things in perspective and give you a bigger overall picture of the comp scene and your not wanting to be overwhelmed cooking the 4 meats and the impact it could have on the other competitors who are out there trying to grab that ring. It was truly not my intention.