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Pappy Q
06-17-2012, 06:10 AM
I've noticed several contest that are organized by a Team and that Team competes in the contest. Is that a normal occurance?

The_Kapn
06-17-2012, 07:48 AM
Don't know about KCBS or other bodies, but prohibited by the FBA.

From the FBA sanctioning rules:

"Contest organizer(s) may not cook as part of a cook team nor judge at their contest."

TIM

BC Squared
06-17-2012, 07:51 AM
Shouldn't be allowed

bignburlyman
06-17-2012, 02:28 PM
I believe there were some posts a while ago that the organizer is not allowed to cook and organize the contest. I don't think that means the organizers team can't cook without him(her).

CivilWarBBQ
06-17-2012, 03:12 PM
That is correct. KCBS policy is that if a member of a team is acting as organizer, he cannot be involved with cooking any entries for anyone. Back when I ran the old Georgia Barbecue Classic, my team entered the competition, but I did not participate in any way with the preparation of their entries. In fact, just to avoid even the appearance of any favoritism I avoided my team as much as possible during the event, to the extent that they received less attention than any of the other cook teams that weekend.

At the contest this weekend in Euharlee, we took it a step further and the Johnny Mitchell's Smokehouse team did not enter, even though the event was just across the street from our restaurant. Personally, I can't imagine why anyone would attempt to act as organizer and competitor at the same time, as both roles require your entire attention and energy. To attempt to do both at once is to guarantee failure at both.

Bourbon Barrel BBQ
06-17-2012, 04:03 PM
I've noticed several contest that are organized by a Team and that Team competes in the contest. Is that a normal occurance?

Are you talking about Jeff? I knew his son had a team but I didn't think the organizer was part of the team.

Pappy Q
06-17-2012, 04:08 PM
Are you talking about Jeff? I knew his son had a team but I didn't think the organizer was part of the team.

No not Jeff.

Cue's Your Daddy
06-17-2012, 04:17 PM
I never understood what the problem was about an organizer competing. If the KCBS reps at the contest are in charge of the cooking part of the contest then there shouldn't be any problems. Reps are paid to make sure that all rules are followed, so there shouldn't be any problem. I would think that contest organizers competing has less a chance of cheating ( which is what all these questions usually lead to) then any competitor using pork collar, parting pork, yada, yada, yada.

CivilWarBBQ
06-17-2012, 05:42 PM
I never understood what the problem was about an organizer competing.

There isn't a problem - unless the organizer wins money. When that happens, a crap-storm ensues, guaranteed.

Bourbon Barrel BBQ
06-17-2012, 05:51 PM
There isn't a problem - unless the organizer wins money. When that happens, a crap-storm ensues, guaranteed.

yep. If I ever organized a contest (which is very possible in the future) I wouldn't compete just because its not worth the headache if I do manage to do well. Its one contest. Just sit it out and spare yourself the drama. I couldn't imagine being able to concentrate on running a contest smoothly AND worrying about my food. One of the two is going to suffer.

jbrink01
06-17-2012, 05:51 PM
My wife, who IS NOT part of my team helped on the contest committee here in Washington MO. She was advised by the rep's to quit the committee prior to the event starting. She resigned, lo and behold I won the contest 2 years in a row WITHOUT her help in any manner. There were still grumblings. Human nature to suspect the worse I suppose.

Outnumbered
06-17-2012, 06:54 PM
My wife, who IS NOT part of my team helped on the contest committee here in Washington MO. She was advised by the rep's to quit the committee prior to the event starting. She resigned, lo and behold I won the contest 2 years in a row WITHOUT her help in any manner. There were still grumblings. Human nature to suspect the worse I suppose.

If they're not in the judging area, who cares. She didn't cook. She wasn't involved the day of event, right?

I said it before...fark 'em!

Kirk
06-17-2012, 07:26 PM
I have organized a couple of small comps (less than 10 entries each) at E-town and Cecil Dragways during a couple of their bigger events and I did cook in each one. These were far from a KCBS affair (more for bragging rights really) but we did adopt their scoring system. I can understand why this shouldn't happen at a real comp but nobody had a problem with it when we did it.

I picked the judges but they were approved by everyone involved. I printed up scoresheets and made sure that the contests and judges understood them clearly before we started. I kept everything on the up and up and it turned out ok.

The best part was the trophy girl we had. I guarantee you, the KCBS never had anything like her, LOL!

jbrink01
06-17-2012, 08:00 PM
If they're not in the judging area, who cares. She didn't cook. She wasn't involved the day of event, right?h

I said it before...fark 'em!

She actually helped another team that finished waaaaay deep in the field. She has no idea what I do at contests. She runs our catering business which is a completely different animal. I could care less what "they" think.

BBQchef33
06-17-2012, 08:23 PM
I don't see how its even possible. On the day of the events I'm am non stop tending to teams, crowds, vendors, staff, etc, there is absolutely no way there's any time to be prepping or cooking. Impossible... An if and organizer is, then something is going to suffer. That being said, if someone with a big S on their chest can pull it off the double blind and contest reps should ensure contest integrity. If someone questions it then they are really questioning the integrity of the reps and the system.

nthole
06-17-2012, 08:27 PM
My wife, who IS NOT part of my team helped on the contest committee here in Washington MO. She was advised by the rep's to quit the committee prior to the event starting. She resigned, lo and behold I won the contest 2 years in a row WITHOUT her help in any manner. There were still grumblings. Human nature to suspect the worse I suppose.

You also won all the other contests in the area the past two years...so maybe it's your meat and not Trish? :grin:

jbrink01
06-17-2012, 09:16 PM
Thanks Neil. Since it's fathers day, I'm hoping she takes an interest tonight.......

nthole
06-17-2012, 09:18 PM
You mean she's not gonna nag you all night right :grin:.

Missed you this weekend, but then again, Alaska over 100F on black top...yeah, I can understand that!!!

jbrink01
06-17-2012, 09:35 PM
Highest temp we saw was 68. I'm ready to move.

Kirk
06-18-2012, 06:40 AM
An if and organizer is, then something is going to suffer...
That's why I finished 2nd to last the first time I tried it. It was a nightmare. I did a couple more and decided it wasn't a good idea.

ParkAvenue_2
06-18-2012, 09:26 AM
This topic has been hashed out on these boards a number of times previously. Judging from those threads, in general, it seems that most feel that it is bad form for an organizer to compete directly in their own contest.

Regardless of how squeaky clean honest the organizer is, it is pretty difficult to avoid the bad taste left in someone's mouth after an organizer walks up on stage and walks away with the GC prize money from their own event.

Link 1 (http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-28610.html)

Link 2 (http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=28610)

Here are some of the links to earlier threads on this.

early mornin' smokin'
06-18-2012, 09:42 AM
This is a strange one. In all fairness, at least KCBS, this is a double blind judged contest. So where's the issue if an organizer competes. The reps do their job making sure everyone follows the rules. As long as all the rules are followed, what's the problem?