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rolfejr
06-04-2012, 07:35 PM
Have an opportunity to get some Cambro's and one is the heated model.
Is this legal in competition? It only runs +/- 150 degrees and states it does not cook. Do not want to run afoul of the rules.

smoke-n-my-i's
06-04-2012, 07:43 PM
just off the top of my head without going and getting the rules and read up on it.... I would say no. If you want, send an email to rules@kcbs.us and we will discuss it.

Podge
06-04-2012, 07:46 PM
Ain't worth it.

YankeeBBQ
06-04-2012, 08:28 PM
Have an opportunity to get some Cambro's and one is the heated model.
Is this legal in competition? It only runs +/- 150 degrees and states it does not cook. Do not want to run afoul of the rules.

For KCBS comps it would not be legal.

6) Fires shall be of wood, wood pellets or charcoal. Gas
and electric heat sources shall not be permitted for cooking
or holding. Propane or electric is permitted as fire starters,
provided that the competition meat is not in/on the cooking
device. Electrical accessories such as spits, augers, forced draft
are permitted. No open pits or holes are permitted, except at
the election of the contest organizer. Fires shall not be built
on the ground.

motoeric
06-04-2012, 09:07 PM
Would it be legal if you never plugged it in? If so, it works perfectly fine to keep your food at temp without the heating agent. Just tape up the cable and don't use the electric aspects.

We will be reviewing the UPCH400 in the next issue of Smoke Signals. It was used both plugged in and not plugged in and excelled at both.

Eric

swamprb
06-04-2012, 09:57 PM
Heat it then unplug it.

dmprantz
06-04-2012, 10:55 PM
don't plug it in, cover it with tape, and tell the rep if you're really concerned.

AZScott
06-04-2012, 11:45 PM
I wouldn't do take an electric cambro to a comp. That's just opening yourself up to other teams "talking".

rolfejr
06-05-2012, 06:05 AM
Ain't worth it.

$150.00 , Worth it!

Thanks for all the reply's, as usual good advice.

dmprantz
06-05-2012, 06:53 AM
I wouldn't do take an electric cambro to a comp. That's just opening yourself up to other teams "talking".

You care about what other people say about you behind their back? If they're saying something bad about you behind your back in stead of to your face, they're probably not good people. That's my take on it.

dmp

NRA4Life
06-05-2012, 07:37 AM
It's not legal for comps, but $150 is too good of a deal to pass up.

va92bronco
06-05-2012, 07:49 AM
I haven't seen a heated Cambro, but there has to be a way to service the heating elements and wiring. If it has a service cover, can you remove it to pull the plug wire off the wiring? Might just be a couple of screws and the whole plug wire can be removed. Then you can use it at comps with no worries. If you want to use it for something else later, then you just reattach the plug wire.

CivilWarBBQ
06-05-2012, 07:53 AM
Illegal if powered while meat is inside, ok if not.

Be prepared to defend yourself though.

Alexa RnQ
06-05-2012, 08:29 AM
You care about what other people say about you behind their back? If they're saying something bad about you behind your back in stead of to your face, they're probably not good people. That's my take on it.

dmp
There must be a plethora of bad people in BBQ then, because they gossip like a bunch of old women.

When cooks are left to police themselves and other teams, the appearance of impropriety can cause nearly as many problems as a genuine transgression.

dmprantz
06-05-2012, 09:27 AM
I consider it to be neither your job nor mine to look for reasons to call other competitors cheaters. None of my friends from the BBQ trail sit around and insult the character of other teams behind their backs. I'm guessing we just hang out with different crowds of people or maybe it's regional? I've only seen that here on The Brethren and honestly don't consider myself friends with those who do.

Cast Iron Chef
06-05-2012, 09:45 AM
If it's the same heated cambro I looked at, the heater in the door, it can be removed with just a few screws. I was going to remove for comps and use for catering. Asking price was $300 so was too rich for me.

Balls Casten
06-05-2012, 09:49 AM
You care about what other people say about you behind their back? If they're saying something bad about you behind your back in stead of to your face, they're probably not good people. That's my take on it.

dmp

I say "if people are talking behind my back ... they are in the perfect location to kiss my arse!" :-) Old quote from someone that I dont remember who

Jorge
06-05-2012, 09:51 AM
1) The decision and interpretations of the KCBS Rules
and Regulations are at the discretion of the KCBS Contest
Representatives at the contest. Their decisions and
interpretations are final to the extent consistent with the
rules.

6) Fires shall be of wood, wood pellets or charcoal. Gas
and electric heat sources shall not be permitted for cooking
or holding. Propane or electric is permitted as fire starters,
provided that the competition meat is not in/on the cooking
device. Electrical accessories such as spits, augers, forced draft
are permitted. No open pits or holes are permitted, except at
the election of the contest organizer. Fires shall not be built
on the ground.


This can be debated here, as long as you like. At the end of the day you better be sure that your contest Reps are on board with it.

AZScott
06-05-2012, 12:11 PM
You care about what other people say about you behind their back? If they're saying something bad about you behind your back in stead of to your face, they're probably not good people. That's my take on it.

dmp

I care greatly what other people say about me or my team. Every single thing we do is legal and we don't hide a lick of what we do. At the end of the day, our reputation will either raise me up or bring me down. Personally, I wouldn't want anyone questioning a single thing I do so I would pass on the great deal.

I also strongly feel that if people are talking about something illegal or possibly illegal that a team is doing they respect the competition, the commitment teams make, the resources it takes to compete, and they want a level playing field. That's not a bad person in my mind. If they are saying my logo is stupid, I like my pork butts a bit too much, that I'm ugly, etc to other people behind my back that's a different matter entirely.

dmprantz
06-05-2012, 03:55 PM
I care greatly what other people say about me or my team. Every single thing we do is legal and we don't hide a lick of what we do. At the end of the day, our reputation will either raise me up or bring me down. Personally, I wouldn't want anyone questioning a single thing I do so I would pass on the great deal.

I think we're just gonna have to disagree here. Everything I do is legal too, and I go to lengths to discuss things with the KCBS office and reps to verify questionable decisions. That said, if a disrespectful cry-baby is going to insult me and my integrity behind my back, I have no intent on changing my decisions to apease that person. If you have an issue, talk to me about it.

I also strongly feel that if people are talking about something illegal or possibly illegal that a team is doing they respect the competition, the commitment teams make, the resources it takes to compete, and they want a level playing field. That's not a bad person in my mind.

I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying above, but I'll try to explain my opinions succinctly:

I do not walk around a competition looking for rules infractions.

If I think I happen to notice a rules infraction, I would tell the organizer or the rep.

I think it's innappropriate for people to say "I think team X is bunch of cheaters" unless they have been caught doing it or you have pictures. Otherwise, your being slanderous.

dmp

early mornin' smokin'
06-06-2012, 08:49 AM
100% legal as long as it's not plugged in while the comp meats are in it. We put a pan of boiling water in ours to heat it up. In my eyes, it's exactly the same.

rksylves
06-06-2012, 11:00 AM
I would just cut the plug off before going to the comp. That way there's no question that it wasn't plugged in. I would even be tempted to show it to the officials just so no question even comes up. You could always put a replacement plug back on it later.

Russ

early mornin' smokin'
06-06-2012, 12:12 PM
cut the plug? take the thing apart? are we being serious? this is bbq! if someone is so worried about you plugging in a cambro, they're probably hiding something themselves. Show the comp organizer, the rep, if necessary, and go about your business!

ParkAvenue_2
06-06-2012, 01:51 PM
100% legal as long as it's not plugged in while the comp meats are in it. We put a pan of boiling water in ours to heat it up. In my eyes, it's exactly the same.

Interesting thread here.

If a pan of boiling water generating heat inside a Cambro is legal, then what if a team were to put a metal bucket full of lit coals into a Cambro and let the coals turn the heat up inside.

Would that be legal? Seems that it would. . . .

dmprantz
06-06-2012, 02:06 PM
what if a team were to put a metal bucket full of lit coals into a Cambro and let the coals turn the heat up inside

That would be perfectly legal, as long as you didn't have parted pork in your Cambro at that time. You'd essentially be turning your Cambro into a smoker. You'd run into problems though, because the Cambro is plastic and may melt. On the other hand, the Cambro is sealed with no exhaust, so you'd suffocate your coals if you dind't open the door. It might be a race to see what happens first, but I bet you'd damage the plastic before the fire went out.

This isn't ghospel, but from what I've read and learned from talking to reps and members of the board (past and present) you can place whatever you want in your cooker or Cambro (or cooler, etc) that is hot, as long as it is not actively producing heat through electrical, petrolium gas combustion, or other chemical means. retained heat from any source is okay. I'd love to pick at the chemical means, but I'll wait till January ;-)

dmp