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rxcellentq
05-23-2012, 07:30 PM
We did a comp this weekend and got our heads handed to us by the cheesecakes. They won 3 of the top five spots! I thought we made a rocking dessert of bread pudding with an Ameretto cream sauce but we came up short. What are you guys doing or should I just convert and enter cheesecake too?

jeffry1970
05-23-2012, 07:51 PM
wow that looks really good!

CivilWarBBQ
05-23-2012, 08:04 PM
Cheesecake is the atomic bomb of dessert comps. It doesn't always blow everything else away, but to stand up to even an average cheesecake your "other dessert" entry must be very, very good.

Like all things competition, not saying it's right, but that's just how it is.

jeffry1970
05-23-2012, 08:14 PM
just last weekend i made baked apples stuffed with cheesecake and topped with a salted caramel sauce. everyone that tasted it loved it, been perfecting it for weeks. 7th place.....
but i will keep tweaking and try it again

Smokin Hebrew
05-23-2012, 08:44 PM
The bread pudding never made it to my table. The cheese cake, lemon bar and baked apple were very good.

I didn't taste the bread pudding. The ramekins are attractive but you are not judged on the cookware. A strawberry swirl cheese cake is pretty with a lovely sliced strawberry on top and gets points for appearance. The baked apple was delicious but it lacked in presentation.

I hope this helped a little. I'm very new at judging, and this was my first comp as a judge.

jeffry1970
05-24-2012, 06:37 AM
it did help, thank you! my presentatinon was weak all around but i'm working on it.

rxcellentq
05-24-2012, 07:32 AM
I am not questioning the scores, I tasted one of the cheesecakes and it was great. Im just trying to decide if you can't beat them join them. It seems that cheescake is a judges favorite and the rules don't say it has to be cooked do they?

Balls Casten
05-24-2012, 07:33 AM
What were your tenderness scores. :-)
We recieved a 7 on tenderness once with anglefood cake!

Goddahavit
05-24-2012, 09:16 AM
I am not questioning the scores, I tasted one of the cheesecakes and it was great. Im just trying to decide if you can't beat them join them. It seems that cheescake is a judges favorite and the rules don't say it has to be cooked do they?


Most will say prepared or assembled on site, if cooked that done on site as well, I would hope the cheesecake was cooked on site but id have to review the rules for that event again. If they can bring premade, then i wouldn't bother entering, that's not a cooking contest, its who can buy the best desert.

mclancey
05-24-2012, 11:57 AM
What were your tenderness scores. :-)
We recieved a 7 on tenderness once with anglefood cake!

When judging dessert the tenderness score is changed to a creativity score.

Goddahavit
05-24-2012, 12:16 PM
When judging dessert the tenderness score is changed to a creativity score.

feel free to pm me any of your recipes, lol you have been on a tear with deserts!!

Not to mention nice job on the brisket and ribs!!!:clap:

OtisT
05-24-2012, 01:31 PM
You don't have to do cheesecake... at least not in the ST. Louis MO area comps. I have done very well in the dessert categories and I don't (and won't) do cheesecake. Most recently I had a 2nd place finish in a field of about 100 and i'm pretty sure the winner turned in bread pudding.

my two cents... The judges eat with their eyes first. The first thing I noticed when I looked at the pic was the lids. They are a bit of a distraction. Make it all about the food they are going to eat. You may want to "brighten" up your presentation with fruit or other garnish that works with your flavor profile and use a basic white lid.

Ford
05-24-2012, 02:29 PM
I know a team that did real well with homemade ice cream. Of course you need a freezer. Chocolate and berries are also a winner as part of a dessert entry.

I also agree with the wow factor on presentation. If you don't get all 9's then the other 2 scores will be down. A cobbler with fruit on top will get attention as will that cheesecake. It's the toppings that usually make the difference.

BurninTree BBQ
05-24-2012, 03:38 PM
feel free to pm me any of your recipes, lol you have been on a tear with deserts!!

Not to mention nice job on the brisket and ribs!!!:clap:
I second that!!!!!

NBBD
05-24-2012, 04:14 PM
no help here but bread pudding is my all time favorite and it looks damn tasty...

rxcellentq
05-24-2012, 09:01 PM
I considered ice cream using one of those soccer ball style freezers with ice and salt but was afraid the judges wouldn't consider it cooked. I do cook the ice cream base but it is not evident.
Do the rules say the entry must be assembled or prepared on site or cooked. If no heat is reqired that opens a whole new list of possabilities, ie instant pudding pie, trifle, ice box cake.

Chenernator
05-24-2012, 09:08 PM
When were desserts judged? After the four categories? If so, there's a pretty simple reason why cheesecake trumps bread pudding. After four warm categories, judges are ready for something cool, refreshing, and smooth. (Even more so in summer). Cheesecake fits the bill, and it survives turn-in better than ice cream.

jeffry1970
05-25-2012, 05:33 AM
When were desserts judged? After the four categories?

dessert and anything butt was judged on saturday night.

mclancey
05-25-2012, 06:33 AM
feel free to pm me any of your recipes, lol you have been on a tear with deserts!!

Not to mention nice job on the brisket and ribs!!!:clap:

It's not going to be until New Holland that I do a competiton with a Chef's Choice or Dessert Category again, but I'll show you (or any Brethren) exactly what I do for my dessert. I've strayed a little away from what I was doing the last 3 competitions before Middletown and was landing 3rds and 4ths with it. but all 4 times I've done the dessert that I did in Middletown it has come in first.

Goddahavit
05-25-2012, 06:55 AM
It's not going to be until New Holland that I do a competiton with a Chef's Choice or Dessert Category again, but I'll show you (or any Brethren) exactly what I do for my dessert. I've strayed a little away from what I was doing the last 3 competitions before Middletown and was landing 3rds and 4ths with it. but all 4 times I've done the dessert that I did in Middletown it has come in first.


your not cooking bbq for a cure in hatfield?

mclancey
05-25-2012, 07:47 AM
your not cooking bbq for a cure in hatfield?
I was actually just looking at that thread and saw they have 2 spots left. I've been thinking about it, but I'd have to run a generator the whole time. Maybe.

Sawdustguy
05-25-2012, 08:28 AM
I am a firm believer in Cheese Cake. At last years Battle of the BBQ Brethren in Manorville we beat two Professional Pastry Chefs with our Cheese Cake entry. We were just short of a perfect score. Smoke in da Eye brought 2 pastry chefs for the desert entry and we smoked them.

musicmanryann
05-25-2012, 08:42 AM
There were about 300 perfect scores in dessert at the American Royal last year and the year before, and the year before, and almost all of them were cheesecake. Just sayin'...:roll:

ique
05-25-2012, 09:04 AM
I am a firm believer in Cheese Cake. At last years Battle of the BBQ Brethren in Manorville we beat two Professional Pastry Chefs with our Cheese Cake entry. We were just short of a perfect score. Smoke in da Eye brought 2 pastry chefs for the desert entry and we smoked them.

That must have been satisfying. :)

Gadragonfly
05-25-2012, 09:04 AM
When judging dessert the tenderness score is changed to a creativity score.

In every KCBS contest that I've ever judged that had a dessert category (including American Royal) tenderness score becomes texture. I've never heard anyone instruct us to change tenderness to creativity. You might want to confirm this statement.

Julie

ique
05-25-2012, 09:06 AM
In every KCBS contest that I've ever judged that had a dessert category (including American Royal) tenderness score becomes texture. I've never heard anyone instruct us to change tenderness to creativity. You might want to confirm this statement.

Julie

Texture, hhm. I've seen the tenderness score become best in table (best gets 9, 2nd best 8 etc) and creativity.

Texture would tip the scales even further to cheesecake

BC Squared
05-25-2012, 09:53 AM
I vote for a Anything But Cheescake category.....

Gadragonfly
05-25-2012, 11:08 AM
Texture, hhm. I've seen the tenderness score become best in table (best gets 9, 2nd best 8 etc) and creativity.

Texture would tip the scales even further to cheesecake

This would be similar to sauce categories - texture of the dessert presented - is it the proper consistency for that dessert. If cheesecake, is it moist, creamy, not dry or crumbly. If you present ice cream is the texture consistent with ice cream - not melted, no ice crystals, if molten chocolate cake is the texture consistent with what you would expect of molton chocolate cake. I've never ranked desserts.
Julie

rxcellentq
05-25-2012, 11:39 AM
So it looks like the answer is to work on my no bake cheesecake recepie. If the results heavily favor cheesecake I better try to make the best one. seems odd to have a grilling contest and not require heat.

rxcellentq
05-25-2012, 11:42 AM
There were about 300 perfect scores in dessert at the American Royal last year and the year before, and the year before, and almost all of them were cheesecake. Just sayin'...:roll:

how do they decide the winner if 300 entrys receive perefect score

mclancey
05-25-2012, 12:44 PM
In every KCBS contest that I've ever judged that had a dessert category (including American Royal) tenderness score becomes texture. I've never heard anyone instruct us to change tenderness to creativity. You might want to confirm this statement.

Julie

This is from the rules from the comp last weekend -


Appearance and Taste will be judged in the usual KCBS format.
Instead of judging on tenderness, the Judges will be instructed to judge
CREATIVITY of the entries presented.

Sledneck
05-25-2012, 01:38 PM
This is from the rules from the comp last weekend -


Appearance and Taste will be judged in the usual KCBS format.
Instead of judging on tenderness, the Judges will be instructed to judge
CREATIVITY of the entries presented.


choosing a great bakery is creative

Gadragonfly
05-25-2012, 04:06 PM
This is from the rules from the comp last weekend -


Appearance and Taste will be judged in the usual KCBS format.
Instead of judging on tenderness, the Judges will be instructed to judge
CREATIVITY of the entries presented.


I stand corrected. I've never heard this before - thank you.

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Jorge
05-25-2012, 05:44 PM
That must have been satisfying. :)


I heard something similar from Muzzle in Lynchburg:wink:

ique
05-26-2012, 07:36 AM
I heard something similar from Muzzle in Lynchburg:wink:

Between Jack Chefs choice and the Giants that guy is killing me. I will find a way to whoop his ass soon