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Heath Hall
04-04-2012, 12:59 PM
I noticed that BBQ Bug looks like it has shut down. This is where I always used to go for KCBS Team of the Year rankings beyond the 25 places they post on KCBS. Anyone know of a good place to find the full rankings list?

Thanks!

musicmanryann
04-04-2012, 01:50 PM
The rankings may still be going on, but it sounds like they are currently transitioning back to thepickledpig. That is originally where the power rankings were located, then Paul merged with bbqbug people.

G$
04-04-2012, 02:18 PM
The rankings may still be going on, but it sounds like they are currently transitioning back to thepickledpig. That is originally where the power rankings were located, then Paul merged with bbqbug people.

I thought I read that the rankings were not being brought back, or at least no plans right now.

musicmanryann
04-04-2012, 02:23 PM
I thought I read that the rankings were not being brought back, or at least no plans right now.

Well darn.:ohwell:

Heath Hall
04-04-2012, 02:27 PM
That stinks. I've never understood why KCBS doesn't post full team rankings. Seems like something that would drive a lot more traffic to them.

G$
04-04-2012, 02:38 PM
I thought I read that the rankings were not being brought back, or at least no plans right now.

I went to find where I had read this. This is from the PickledPig forum. Let Paul know what you think I suppose:

3) The rankings, standings, event listings, widgets will be discontinued at this time. I appreciate everyone who has followed the site's rankings systems and used the widgets but will not be able to continue those features until a later date (if at all). Your feedback on these services is appreciated. I am going to be contemplating their current relevance and value as well as determining if I have the time resources required to service them.

Parts_Guy
04-04-2012, 02:58 PM
That stinks. I've never understood why KCBS doesn't post full team rankings. Seems like something that would drive a lot more traffic to them.

I agree. I know they have the full team rankings for the last couple years but nothing for the current year other than the top 25.

Rich Parker
04-04-2012, 04:21 PM
I enjoyed Paul's rankings and hope he reconsiders because this is a huge loss.

ThomEmery
04-04-2012, 04:50 PM
Yes Paul has done a wonderful service to BBQ
Rather time consuming for a volunteer
Great Guy

huminie
04-04-2012, 05:01 PM
I would imagine that keeping the stats updated just from the KCBS website information is quite a time consuming task. It would be nice if KCBS performed this service since they have all the information already.

Ford
04-04-2012, 05:26 PM
The FBA has their rankings on their website and they are updated weekly.

ThomEmery
04-04-2012, 06:14 PM
I would imagine that keeping the stats updated just from the KCBS website information is quite a time consuming task. It would be nice if KCBS performed this service since they have all the information already.


Maybe track the GCs for the Jack and the Royal also

;0) I know I know just teasin

DawgPhan
04-04-2012, 06:28 PM
I know a guy...

Scottie
04-04-2012, 06:28 PM
The FBA has their rankings on their website and they are updated weekly.



They also don't have over 5000 teams to keep track of... a little easier when its the same teams week after week.

RangerJ
04-04-2012, 06:35 PM
They also don't have over 5000 teams to keep track of... a little easier when its the same teams week after week.

I'm not a smart guy, nor an FBA cooker but it would seem that formulas to calculate stuff are the same regardless of amount of participants?

KCBS has names and scores every week of those 5k cooks should the all compete. Can this not be slapped into a program that stack ranks by overall and meat?

And I'm asking, not suggesting or telling, so if there are folks who do this stuff for a living, sound off.

huminie
04-04-2012, 06:45 PM
Last year I asked the very nice and friendly lady at KCBS what one of my rankings was and she responded right back with all of my rankings. It would seem to me that they have all the rankings on hand...likely fed into some sort of program that does the calculations based on the feeds from the reps. They would have to calculate for most teams to determine top 25. It would seem that the challenge here is getting the full results, which are presumably on hand already, loaded on to the website.

There may be technical reasons why this can't be done, but it sure would be nice to have it available.

Smoke'n Ice
04-04-2012, 07:24 PM
Spelling of the team name is one of the draw backs. If they would, perchance, utilize a team number, then any idiot could write the program. JUST SAYING!!!!

Rich Parker
04-04-2012, 07:30 PM
I used to find myself going to the team history page all the time looking at my scores over the last couple of years and comparing how my category placement has went one way or the other. I need to find a tissue....:cry:

daveinwestmont
04-04-2012, 07:35 PM
I use a fair amount of data bases at work and that is really all this is. If they get a KCBS numbering system per team along with a running calc it can be done quit easily. I would say force the event coordinators that want KCBS sanctioning to turn in a specific spreadsheet for consistency. Not hard just requires discipline.

ibrisky
04-04-2012, 08:25 PM
licence the widgets from pickled pig, add a few pages to a website, whallaha, we're on the road to a resolution for a short term fix.

I agree with daveinwestmont, a unique identifier (kcbs number) helps with a large part of the problem. I've built and supported many large databases, comes down to where you want to spend the $. MMA is missing out on an upsell opportunity if they have the resources to support a 'customer' database.

G$
04-04-2012, 08:29 PM
Spelling of the team name is one of the draw backs. If they would, perchance, utilize a team number, then any idiot could write the program. JUST SAYING!!!!

I'd love to see someone start up a team and just pick a random number and name it "Team # 57984". I apologize in advance to whoever has that random number:caked:

Bentley
04-04-2012, 09:21 PM
Each team has a head cook, to be in the TOY race you have to be a KCBS member, doesent that head cook have a KCBS member number...Must be my simple mind, can't be that easy...

CBQ
04-05-2012, 09:44 PM
Each team has a head cook, to be in the TOY race you have to be a KCBS member, doesent that head cook have a KCBS member number...Must be my simple mind, can't be that easy...

Ya, except our team (two couples) shares the cost of registrations. Each couple registers for half the contests. It's an easy way to split costs - and we are now completely farked with the new way TOY is calculated. (Already signed up for a lot of 2012 contests before we realized it changed.)

Not that we are going to win TOY, but watching us progress from WAAYY back to the top 100 over the last four years was nice. Now our ranking for 2012 will be meaningless. TY KCBS.

I am sure we are not the only team that does this. Assuming a team is ALWAYS a single head cook and a bunch of hanger's on is inflexible and short sighted.

Vince RnQ
04-05-2012, 10:55 PM
I'd love to see someone start up a team and just pick a random number and name it "Team # 57984". I apologize in advance to whoever has that random number:caked:

How about "Team 90125"?

Yes, I like that one!

SHBBQ
04-06-2012, 08:58 AM
I'd love to see someone start up a team and just pick a random number and name it "Team # 57984". I apologize in advance to whoever has that random number:caked:

I would love to be competing against 57984 teams!!!!!

worthsmokin
04-06-2012, 09:20 AM
I enjoyed checking out our rankings, since we will probably never going to be in the top 25 we won't see our name ranked any longer.

I believe Paul did this on his own time. Regardless of how easy it could be to create a program that could calculate the ranking, it probably takes up tons of space on the server and a lot of time. I hope he tries to get some sponsorship and reconsider. Or even make you pay a small annual fee to check.

Jorge
04-06-2012, 09:22 AM
My opinion only, not representing KCBS or the board....

I think you can expect to see something in place in the future. I'm not comfortable putting a timeline on it, because there are multiple things that need to be put in place.

What Paul did with the Pickled Pig was great. Doing it the same way would place demands on limited office staff, and impose additional costs that I can't justify personally. Beyond that, it's reasonable to expect that KCBS will be held to a higher standard of accuracy for OUR ToY program, and we would like to make sure we have everything in place to provide the most accurate and timely information possible.

Again, that's just my opinion based on the information that I have available at this time.