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Mike - CSBBBQ
02-18-2012, 10:30 AM
Recently we have had a banquet in the East and the West. Several negative and positive comments have come with each loaction. With the move to regional representation I'm sure there will be a move to have in each region. Although it can be cold I'm a fan of having in Kansas City. Having in one location should allow KCBS to negotiate a multiyear deal and allow for prior proper planning for all concerned. Let the discussion begin :grin:

4 smokin butts
02-18-2012, 11:33 AM
KC HAS HALLS FOR RECEPTIONS WITH POWER agreed,kc central location,attendance would be greater,althouygh i liked raffle out on coast:wink:

ThomEmery
02-18-2012, 11:46 AM
Guys going on the road every other year isn't too much to ask
KC next year Then the South is due then KC then the East then KC then VEGAS ;0)
I know SD was difficult for many to do
But they did organize a fine event
Deals can be made with hotel chains not just one location

Muzzlebrake
02-18-2012, 12:54 PM
I don't mind the rotational idea, but I think the actual dinner that is served can certainly be improved. Be nice to not have to eat before the banquet.
I also really liked the trade show idea that was rolled out at the last KC banquet. That was cool.

Rich Parker
02-18-2012, 01:06 PM
They need to come North.

The_Kapn
02-18-2012, 01:24 PM
Questions for those of you who regularily attend.

Are the attendees normally the same crew?
Or, are there a lot of new members there every year?

At San Diego, any idea how many total attendees and how many of those were there only because it was on the West Coast?
Any idea how many members from the Central US did not attend only because of the distance?

Just Curious

TIM

sweetracks
02-19-2012, 12:49 PM
They need to come North.

Read my mind Rich :clap2: :thumb:

Big George's BBQ
02-19-2012, 01:02 PM
There are many who will travel to this. Then there are members like myself who will be able to go when it is in the area

Matt_A
02-19-2012, 02:06 PM
There's a 964 room hotel and convention center (Managed by Marriott) connected to my workplace in Norman, OK. 60,000 sq. ft of recreational area including heated saline pool, gymnasium, high-end weight room, sauna, Route 66 Lounge and much more. Bring the meeting there and I can probably work a deal on rooms for around $75 per night, and big discounts on meeting/banquet space.

Leatherheadiowa
02-19-2012, 02:06 PM
I would like to see some of the state or regional bbq associations bid for it or have some type of rotation and let the locals, with local knowledge assist MMA & KCBS with organizing an event that is educational, entertaining, and economical event. Just my 2 cents worth.

Diva
02-19-2012, 02:45 PM
This was the first banquet I've missed since 1999. Granted, they had been held exclusively in KC until recently. In 2008 there were over 400 people in attendance, in KC. If my memory serves me, I believe there were almost 200 attendees in San Diego. The numbers seem to go down when its out of KC. Think of the expense for KCBS when its out of town: airfare, meals, car rental, accommodations for the office staff.....that's a lot of cash. There may be a scouting trip involved as well, I don't know. When the banquet was held in Nashville, there were a lot of first time attendees, I may have seen a few of them the next year when it was back in KC and Nashville's only 8 hours away.

nukenight
02-19-2012, 05:24 PM
KCBS has 15000 members and growing. I think we need to first figure out how to bring a bigger fraction of members to the yearly annual meeting and dinner. A dinner for a few hundred people can be done anywhere. Unless you are in the TOY hunt, a contest rep, or board member, why would the average member want to come? The whole concept of an awards dinner was designed when KCBS was relatively small and centered in the middle of the country. Now with good cookers and lots of judges spread out everywhere, the whole idea of an awards dinner being the centerpiece for an annual meeting needs some re-working. The KCBS board should have one 2-5 hour long open public meeting every year at the location of its annual meeting. At this meeting, anyone who is a member can talk. You want open meetings? Fine, then have one! Let the members present vote on things like real organizations do at their annual meetings. Decide the future of your group right there at the meeting. Board members are more accountable this way! Make the dinner awards one of the big components of the weekend. However, don't make it the only thing. I'd consider going to a KCBS weekend like this is the awards dinner was NOT the only activity open to members. Make this weekend more like a convention rather than the TOY awards dinner. I would also try real hard and NOT have it in KC for awhile. There are lots of members outside the KC area that would attend a KCBS convention and not just a KCBS awards dinner. You want to find ways of being more inclusive and bring in judges. This is 2/3 or your money base who rarely attend because there is nothing for them at your yearly awards program. KCBS needs to learn how to get hotels and other travel needs that cost less too. SD was just too expensive for a road trip. A total of 200-400 persons attending out of 15000 members is not good. We need to find away to have the KCBS convention as I am going to call it in a vacation hotspot, where it is warm and sunny and costs are low. I know the FL/AL gulf coast in Jan is a good spot for a meeting. This is just one example of a place that would work. I have attended one KCBS dinner in KC a few years ago. My wife and I will not go back until there are more things on the schedule that relate to us. I like going to conventions. However, with money tight everywhere, KCBS needs to re-think its mission and try to bring more people to an annual meeting, rather than an awards dinner.

Sledneck
02-19-2012, 05:33 PM
I say Gaylord palms convention ctr in Orlando fl

Matt_A
02-19-2012, 05:47 PM
Hold a convention with exhibitors, lectures, discussion panels and classes. Somewhere in the middle have an open annual meeting. A lot more interesting tan an awards dinner.

Scottie
02-19-2012, 06:11 PM
Keep it in KC every year. No region deserves it more than anyone. Everyone e feels slighted if they don't get it. But to pay $55 for a dinner, served on paper plates, no beverages, no bathrooms, banquet not in the hotel and have to walk to get to the tent, I think might be pushing it. That is no slam on the folks at KCBS or the folks that catered. That was not a $55 meal though. San Diego was nice. The whole trip was overpriced though. I've been going since 2006 and have gone to all the new cities. I have fun and enjoy seeing all my peeps..... But... Not seeing a TON of regulars not in San Diego is telling.

Keep it in KC. It is the KANSAS CITY Barbeque Society.

Slamdunkpro
02-19-2012, 07:20 PM
How many of those 15,000 members are active other than taking a judging class and judging one or two comps? You have to have a destination that offers more than a crappy dinner and a meeting (I suspect some of the drop off in attendance this year is due to the sub-par banquets of the last two years). January is tough because all the Christmas bills are coming due and most businesses are ramping up for the new year. In addition most cooks don't want to waste 3 days of vacation to attend the meeting when they're going to need them for competitions later in the year.
Think of the expense for KCBS when its out of town: airfare, meals, car rental, accommodations for the office staff.....that's a lot of cash. There may be a scouting trip involved as well, I don't know.
If KCBS is going to travel it why is MMA always the point? KCBS pays $5,000 to each Sam's event director. If you're going to host the meeting in the South East, hire a member or a travel planner that actually lives in the area. KCBS has cash reserves, use a little for the members.
Hold a convention with exhibitors, lectures, discussion panels and classes. Somewhere in the middle have an open annual meeting. A lot more interesting tan an awards dinner.
MABA ran a trade show / exhibit / classes / meeting / awards event for a couple of years. The logistics are daunting. One of the big problems is that you need an outdoor exhibit area where cooked food can be served. Most hotel / meeting facilities have a requirement that any and all F&B be purchased through them. Then you need to get people that are willing to teach classes that would appeal to a large cross section of members. What you really need is a destination city where people have access to some kind of entertainment. KCBS did contact MABA (the regional organization) prior to the Philly meeting but they pretty much ignored our advice. We suggested Atlantic City (something else to do, shows, restaurants, casinos, BARS, shopping, public transportation, cheap rooms, parking) or Washington suburbs (something else to do, airport hub, restaurants, BARS, shopping, public transportation, semi cheap rooms, parking) and they selected a somewhat out of the way hotel in Philly where they had trouble parking pick-ups and vans with limited facilities and little access to other areas of the city.

But to pay $55 for a dinner, served on paper plates, no beverages, no bathrooms, banquet not in the hotel and have to walk to get to the tent, I think might be pushing it. That is no slam on the folks at KCBS or the folks that catered. That was not a $55 meal though.
It should be a knock at KCBS, they set it up, they're responsible. I'd really like to know what the actual banquet budget vs what they charged members was for the last three meetings. The Philly banquet was terrible in addition to running out of food. It's telling when the big after dinner activity is finding which sub shops are still open.
They ran out of food again the next year and then this year was, well, see above. Where is the money going? Once again, KCBS isn't short of cash.

SHBBQ
02-19-2012, 08:14 PM
I have absolutely no interest in attending the KCBS annual meeting, so, I think there is the main issue, not where they hold it.

Scottie
02-19-2012, 08:37 PM
I guess I should have said not a knock on the office staff at KCBS. The girls caught some flak for other things. But when your hands are tied and forced to a plan that might not have been the best laid out from the beginning.....

Keep it in KC.

Jeff_in_KC
02-19-2012, 08:51 PM
This has not been discussed yet in all of my ONE board meeting so I'm speaking strictly for myself and no one else but I'm in favor of holding it at least in the Midwest area every year. There were 187 people who signed up for the San Diego event. Not many more than that in Philly two years before. Last year in KC, it was over 400. I understand Nashville was also a big draw. I would like every other year in KC with alternate years in areas from Denver to maybe Indianapolis and most points north and south between there. Not a knock on anywhere else but it just doesn't make sense to go to areas where attendance is below 200 for an organization of close to 15,000 people. Then I think the whole idea of what the annual meeting entails should be overhauled. Why not have a trade show every year? I'm looking at the NBBQA convention and trade show I'll be attending this coming week and thinking "Wow!" They have a LOT to do, including some great classes, the trade show, a people's choice BBQ event and many other activities. I would really love to see the KCBS event stack up similarly! And the idea of a member meeting for everyone to be able to speak is something I think needs a good look. Again, all my own opinion!

Diva
02-19-2012, 09:03 PM
Doesn't the NBBQA charge a fee to attend each specific class, activity and trade show? The peoples choice bbq event...how many people that live outside of San Diego will be able to do that without their gear?

Jeff_in_KC
02-19-2012, 09:05 PM
Doesn't the NBBQA charge a fee to attend each specific class, activity and trade show? The peoples choice bbq event...how many people that live outside of San Diego will be able to do that without their gear?

Yep, there is a fee for some of these things. I have not yet seen who all is cooking the people's choice thing but I imagine if people outside of SoCal are doing it, some are borrowing equipment like we do for other events we cook that are a long ways away.

ThomEmery
02-19-2012, 11:20 PM
The Nashville meeting was well attended as I recall

Candy Sue
02-20-2012, 10:38 AM
My opinion only -- I like the regional involvement idea. I think that whereever it's held it needs to be close to a major air travel hub. I think that weather in January is a concern, though obviously in San Diego weather was not a draw for folks to attend. I think that member numbers in a geographic area should be a factor. Why should KCBS banquet be somewhere that has low member numbers?

Best new idea at the SD banquet -- contest entry raffle held before the banquet! Lots of time to trade and mingle.

Jorge
02-20-2012, 10:44 AM
Best new idea at the SD banquet -- contest entry raffle held before the banquet! Lots of time to trade and mingle.

My opinion only, but...

If you don't ban Mai Tai's a certain member will have a huge competitive advantage, allegedly:razz:

carlyle
02-20-2012, 10:52 AM
I have been to Philly, KC, and SD and enjoyed all of them.
Regarding the banquet meal and ticket price - Philly was not good , but not complaining,I actually got some food to eat - unlike some others. KC was some better, but again ran out of food . SD was best food by far and did not run out - but would have been more comfortable inside somewhere.

Banquet price: This is a labeling mistake on KCBS's part in my opinion. Call it a registration fee with a banquet ticket included. It is obvious to me that there is more built into the price than the actual food cost.

Location - KC is the easiest for me living here in Minnesota. A quick 6 hour drive and I am there. I really liked the trade show in KC and missed that this year.
With the extra time and expense involved in going to either coast, KC is my choice.

I know that KCBS is trying to get regional people who do not go to KC to come to the other locations, but there is significant fall off of attendance when they leave KC.

Rich Parker
02-20-2012, 11:32 AM
If the mission/objective of KCBS is to include BBQers across the country or the world, why would you stay in Kansas City every year? We already know they are popular there.

ThomEmery
02-20-2012, 12:15 PM
Yes that trade show was a lot of fun

ThomEmery
02-20-2012, 12:16 PM
Maybe time to look at a hub city in the Great Lakes

Muzzlebrake
02-20-2012, 12:18 PM
I have absolutely no interest in attending the KCBS annual meeting, so, I think there is the main issue, not where they hold it.

the main issue is you have no interest in attending? Well I guess they should cancel the whole thing

Mike - CSBBBQ
02-20-2012, 12:28 PM
As expected lots of valid points have been brought up on both sides of the fence. No surprise as with selecting a location for the banquet or selecting the menu. Folks will disagree no matter the decision. My hat is off to the KCBS office staff for all of their repeated hard work and receiving mostly negative comments. I believe KC has a draw for folks from out of the area as it is KC and you can go check out several BBQ related things. I traveled most of the year for almost 20 years and visiting the same place can grow old. However seeing friends and making new ones never grows old :-D

Ashmont
02-20-2012, 12:39 PM
Okay I have only been to one banquet so I have no room to speak but I thought I add this tid bit. What about having regonials for all regoins at a different time and have the big all encompassing in KC.JMY2cents

Scottie
02-20-2012, 01:46 PM
My opinion only, but...

If you don't ban Mai Tai's a certain member will have a huge competitive advantage, allegedly:razz:


I don't know what you are speaking... It was strange doing the trading sober though...

Scottie
02-20-2012, 02:03 PM
Maybe time to look at a hub city in the Great Lakes

Nah, Chicago has too many hotel rooms (which are discounted on weekends because they are built to handle weekday conventions), not enough major airports, no tent rental businesses to put up a banquet tent, no KCBS members, no volunteers, no good restaurants or good food to eat, nothing cultural.

So why have it in the Great Lakes region when we can have it in regions that won't be well attended and we can eat in a park, under a tent with homeless people working the bathrooms that we had to walk a block down to go to the bathroom... we probably wouldn't have paper plates either to have our $55 meal on either. :mmph:

ThomEmery
02-20-2012, 02:14 PM
LOL Scottie
when the West was mentioned as a target site
I thought Vegas would be a natural
Oh well KC next year

Slamdunkpro
02-20-2012, 03:10 PM
Maybe time to look at a hub city in the Great Lakes
Detroit?

Rich Parker
02-20-2012, 04:40 PM
Nah, Chicago has too many hotel rooms (which are discounted on weekends because they are built to handle weekday conventions), not enough major airports, no tent rental businesses to put up a banquet tent, no KCBS members, no volunteers, no good restaurants or good food to eat, nothing cultural.

So why have it in the Great Lakes region when we can have it in regions that won't be well attended and we can eat in a park, under a tent with homeless people working the bathrooms that we had to walk a block down to go to the bathroom... we probably wouldn't have paper plates either to have our $55 meal on either. :mmph:

Glad Sam's doesn't see this considering two years in a row our region filled up first and produced quite a few of the top ten including the champion.

Scottie
02-20-2012, 05:08 PM
The whole upper Midwest gets no respect Rich. The whole region is always the first to fill up with Sam's contest. But we can't get a banquet? Its ridiculous some of the places that we have gone and/ or KCBS considered going, but we get nothing, not even a mention. I realize each region thinks they deserve it. We truly do and I guess its because we don't get representation or a voice to speak up. I'd say a bunch more, but I don't want to piss off BOD members or regions with facts.

Slamdunkpro
02-20-2012, 05:10 PM
The whole upper Midwest gets no respect Rich. The whole region is always the first to fill up with Sam's contest. But we can't get a banquet? Its ridiculous some of the places that we have gone and/ or KCBS considered going, but we get nothing, not even a mention. I realize each region thinks they deserve it. We truly do and I guess its because we don't get representation or a voice to speak up. I'd say a bunch more, but I don't want to piss off BOD members or regions with facts.

Draft Scottie for BoD in 2013!

Scottie
02-20-2012, 05:12 PM
No thanks. I just recruit others... I have enough on my plate.

I'm just trying to be real. Not trying to take personal swipes on anyone.

SHBBQ
02-20-2012, 08:07 PM
the main issue is you have no interest in attending? Well I guess they should cancel the whole thing

Clearly not what I was saying. Please allow me to clarify.

If I, Mr. member, have no interest in going, should KCBS do anything at all to try and make it enticing for the members other than the 200 members that went this year? Do they want members like me, Mr. member, to actually go, or do they just want to vacation for a week outside of Kansas City every other year? I believe they do want me to go. Make it attractive for me, Mr. Member, to go. Make me, Mr. Member, care about the annual meeting. Hell maybe I'll volunteer myself one day. But right now, I have no interest. Is that my fault?

For the record, I refered to myself as Mr. Member 4 times during that paragraph, and I giggled each time I typed it.

ThomEmery
02-20-2012, 08:37 PM
as did I

Muzzlebrake
02-20-2012, 08:59 PM
For the record, I refered to myself as Mr. Member 4 times during that paragraph, and I giggled each time I typed it.

well I'm glad that's the kind of person you are! I was being a smart ass when I said that, I knew what you meant.



But now you do realize that you will forever be Mr. Member!

YankeeBBQ
02-20-2012, 09:50 PM
The whole upper Midwest gets no respect Rich. The whole region is always the first to fill up with Sam's contest. But we can't get a banquet? Its ridiculous some of the places that we have gone and/ or KCBS considered going, but we get nothing, not even a mention. I realize each region thinks they deserve it. We truly do and I guess its because we don't get representation or a voice to speak up. I'd say a bunch more, but I don't want to piss off BOD members or regions with facts.

What the hell are you talking about ? Isn't Mike Lake from your region ? Wasn't he president of KCBS when they started moving the banquet around ?

Jorge
02-20-2012, 09:59 PM
What the hell are you talking about ? Isn't Mike Lake from your region ? Wasn't he president of KCBS when they started moving the banquet around ?

I gave him respect for the Mai Tais.....

Diva
02-20-2012, 10:08 PM
The whole upper Midwest gets no respect Rich. The whole region is always the first to fill up with Sam's contest. But we can't get a banquet? Its ridiculous some of the places that we have gone and/ or KCBS considered going, but we get nothing, not even a mention. I realize each region thinks they deserve it. We truly do and I guess its because we don't get representation or a voice to speak up. I'd say a bunch more, but I don't want to piss off BOD members or regions with facts.

Quit back-peddlin' bro. Say what you mean and mean what you say. It doesn't always have to be an ass kissin' party.......

Scottie
02-20-2012, 10:40 PM
There was no consideration when Lake was president. It went to Nashville prior to Mike being president the way I recall. You may recall that Tony Stone was president prior to Mike. Dors that sound familiar? And I'm not back peddling, just as I don't have a problem calling folks out. And my last statement was out of respect and no need to single folks out. No need to do that, Ill stick with what I have stated. It should be left in KC. And if it moves around it needs to be in locations that will draw or attract folks. Never has the upper Midwest been mentioned. There are a hell of a lot of members and teams up here. I believe the Sam's series the last 2 years proves that.

SHBBQ
02-20-2012, 10:42 PM
well I'm glad that's the kind of person you are! I was being a smart ass when I said that, I knew what you meant.



But now you do realize that you will forever be Mr. Member!


Tell all your lady friends!!! :laugh:

The_Kapn
02-21-2012, 08:22 AM
I have watched this discussion for the last several years.

My opinion is that it should just stay in KC.

It is the Kansas City BBQ Association afterall.
And, it seems to be a small number of folks that attend anyway. Not a lot of appeal to the majority of the membership.

No matter what they do, some will object loudly.

Just put it in KC and get it over with.

JMHO

TIM

Jeff_in_KC
02-21-2012, 05:49 PM
Man, this "my opinion only" disclaimer is getting time consuming and I still have 35 months to go! :shocked: ANYWHO... being that it's my opinion only, I will say that I agree with you, Scottie - keep it in KC but if it has to go somewhere, make it more centrally located and in areas where there's a high concentration of KCBS members.

ThomEmery
02-21-2012, 06:04 PM
As long as it is a Southwest Airlines hub