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El Pistolero
01-30-2012, 06:12 PM
So I'm a newly minted CBJ, ready to judge my first competitions, and I'm wondering what I should or shouldn't be doing on Friday nights. I know there is no fraternization with teams on Saturday, by I'd like to take the opportunity on Friday evening to meet up with some brethren, maybe make some new friends, and in general learn as much as I can about the whole process.

So, is it proper for a judge to mingle with the teams on Friday night? Should I identify myself as a judge right up front, or keep that to myself? Can I quaff a few if it's offered, or should I bring along some brews to share?

Should I wear my kevlar vest?

Any insight offered will be greatly appreciated.

KingRanch450
01-30-2012, 06:17 PM
Interested in some of the responses to come.

Rich Parker
01-30-2012, 06:29 PM
Absolutely, you can come out Friday night in fact it is encouraged. You can bring your own beer or not but you won't be thirsty for long. You can let teams know you are a judge but it really doesn't matter to me.

Bbq Bubba
01-30-2012, 06:35 PM
Absolutely, you can come out Friday night in fact it is encouraged. You can bring your own beer or not but you won't be thirsty for long. You can let teams know you are a judge but it really doesn't matter to me.

I agree. At least up here, we try to promote the judges to join us Friday buy hosting pot luck dinners & what not.

Friday your a BBQ friend. Saturday your a judge. :thumb:

TooSaucedToPork
01-30-2012, 06:36 PM
You can fraternize after the judging on Saturday, just not before:thumb:

PLEASE come hang out with us teams...One of our biggest complaints about judges is that more don't come hang out with us cooks...

Makes ya'll seem all uppity and chit:heh:

big matt
01-30-2012, 06:40 PM
I say come on out Friday or even Saturday after the judging is done..out here I have made many friends that are judges..I think there needs to be more interaction between teams and judges.

ThomEmery
01-30-2012, 07:11 PM
Yep Friday is great time to visit
Just a thought
if the team site you are entering is someone you don't know very well
a "permission to come aboard" makes for a better reception

Helping teams with set up on Friday really makes you some friends

Ford
01-30-2012, 07:25 PM
So long as you visit multiple teams and don't spend all evening with one it's ok. If they are prepping meat leave and come back later.

El Pistolero
01-30-2012, 07:48 PM
Helping teams with set up on Friday really makes you some friends

I'll definitely keep that in mind...never could stand around when there's others working.

Butcher BBQ
01-30-2012, 08:11 PM
I have some very good friends that are CBJ's. I say bring it all you want on Friday. Saturday after the judging is always great to visit with those that judged and talk. Stop by and say hello.

jbrink01
01-30-2012, 08:34 PM
Come on by anytime Friday. I'll tell you when I'm going to bed and I'll go in my trailer if I have to work on something you shouldn't see. Don't be put off, I'll come back out. Saturday after judging is great too!

luckyduk
01-30-2012, 09:37 PM
Agreed with all that was said above....one of my favorite judges even brings his own smoked cheeses and templeton!!!!

Just Smokin' Around
01-30-2012, 10:04 PM
I would say Friday evenings, after dinner, is a good time to float around and introduce yourself to folks. As a cook, that is when I usually have time to walk around a see folks. Most teams will have their meats preped and will be relaxing, waiting to get started. Look to see who's going to be there from the Brethren so you have an idea of who you might run into. You'll see roll call's here. Saturday, after turn ins, many teams are packing up, so social time is usually limited to a few minutes to take a break and chat (that's been my experience when visiting teams I know after judging). But, everyone is still social and tired - and possibly wondering what that judge was thinking giving me a 6 on my brisket.

4 smokin butts
01-30-2012, 10:53 PM
we had an instance.... last year in cape,h and w came by fri eve,judges,wanted us to give them go containers sat after turn ins,so they could try good bbq......begging??not satisfied with what they get.......we blew them off couldnt beleive they asked for go containers,o i forgot they broght there own containers,so it would be easier on us..........:crazy:

Rookie'48
01-31-2012, 12:00 AM
You can fraternize after the judging on Saturday, just not before:thumb:

PLEASE come hang out with us teams...One of our biggest complaints about judges is that more don't come hang out with us cooks...

Makes ya'll seem all uppity and chit:heh:

Yep - most teams want to find out just what the judges are looking for in the turn-in box. And once you get to know a few of the cooks it brings a whole new outlook to the awards show :clap2:.

Agreed with all that was said above....one of my favorite judges even brings his own smoked cheeses and templeton!!!!

:icon_blush: :icon_blush: :icon_blush:

But then again, I know a lot of cooks who might be hungry or thirsty :becky:.

mobow
01-31-2012, 07:57 AM
we had an instance.... last year in cape,h and w came by fri eve,judges,wanted us to give them go containers sat after turn ins,so they could try good bbq......begging??not satisfied with what they get.......we blew them off couldnt beleive they asked for go containers,o i forgot they broght there own containers,so it would be easier on us..........:crazy:

Maybe they read on here the various cooks complaining about coolers in the judges tent and many of those cooks on here that do the complaining say they will give them food after turn ins are over. Just saying. keith

Bunny
01-31-2012, 08:25 AM
There's absolutely nothing wrong with judges visiting teams Friday night. But if you are found totally wasted with that team, you'll probably get ousted out Saturday. Just go have a decent good time. Don't be asking for judges to fill any type of box. If they offer you a rib, great. Enjoy. Only on Friday!

ThomEmery
01-31-2012, 08:25 AM
we had an instance.... last year in cape,h and w came by fri eve,judges,wanted us to give them go containers sat after turn ins,so they could try good bbq......begging??not satisfied with what they get.......we blew them off couldnt beleive they asked for go containers,o i forgot they broght there own containers,so it would be easier on us..........:crazy:


;0) Most of the teams have a home for the left overs
My trash company customers smile real big
when I walk in with a freezer bag and a sauce jar on Monday

gooose53
01-31-2012, 08:27 AM
I've always welcomed judges who come by on Friday night. I've had judges ask me for a little to take home from time to time. I don't mind that and I'll give them a sandwich bag or quart bag with some. Depends on how they ask.

carlyle
01-31-2012, 11:02 AM
As others have said, it is great to mingle on Friday night.
It is great advice to not spend all the time with just one team, don't get sloshed,
and offer to help.

Organizers and reps are observing as they go around doing their own jobs.

What I really love to see in this thread is the welcoming attitude of a lot of the teams
for having cbj's visit on Fri nights or Sat after judging.

TooSaucedToPork
01-31-2012, 10:58 PM
[QUOTE=Rookie'48;1932606]Yep - most teams want to find out just what the judges are looking for in the turn-in box. And once you get to know a few of the cooks it brings a whole new outlook to the awards show :clap2:.QUOTE]

Honestly, unless they bring it up, I try not to talk about judging and boxes with CBJ's that stop by...that way they don't feel uncomfortable. The few that come by are already walking on eggshells thinking they are gonna get in trouble for hanging out with us teams...Hopefully we can break down that wall:thumb:

Rookie'48
01-31-2012, 11:19 PM
That "eggshell" thing is something that we have to change! I have personally introduced over a half dozen CBJs to cooks so that the judges could cook with a team. Imagine - they've judged close to or just over 30 contests and have yet to meet one cook :cry: :mad:.

I'm starting to invite judges to "come out & play" on the Friday evenings that I'll be at a comp. Most of those will be just a simple meet & greet, maybe some finger food & then wander around & talk to some of the teams. Seeing as I'll probably know at least 10% to 30% of the teams at most of the comps that I judge we won't be walking in blind :grin: when we talk to the cooks.

I'm going to spend the next three years doing my very best to get the cooks and the judges to know, understand and respect each other.

bam
02-01-2012, 09:09 AM
Friday is the best time before and after the cooks meeting. Sat. after the awards most are trying to pack up and go home.

Jorge
02-01-2012, 09:22 AM
Great question, and great answers!

TooSaucedToPork
02-01-2012, 11:48 AM
So I propose this to the Brethren...feel free to refine this to a working model or throw it out all together

What if we come up with some kind of "Mixer" template that organizers can use.

An informal, volunteer, progressive mixer for judges held on Friday night at contests, held by teams that want to participate.

You have a check box on an application to the contest.

Checking yes means you want to participate in the mixer.

Judges are sent an email, or given a list of the teams that are participating

Judges then visit with the teams on the list and have fun.

We as participating teams welcome our new judge friends, and we break down barriers contest by contest...

You could even make it more fun by creating a "barbecue passport" that has a finger food recipe from each team. Each team could serve that finger food and sign the passport on their page. The judge then gives the completed passport to the organizer and receives a prize. (this is just an example, but an interactive game will make uncomfortable people more talkative)

The_Kapn
02-01-2012, 01:25 PM
Some really great thoughts above.

My observation and thoughts.
These are not bashing--just a small thing I see.

Most of the judges are not as fully involved in the comp as many of the teams are.
I normally see (talk with) only 5-8 judges at any time during the event.
Those 5-8 stop by and visit on Fri night and many times check in after judging on Sat to wish the team well.
And, this is the same folks--not random individuals.
I have judged with each of these folks and they seemed really focused on rendering a proper score.

There are only 2 or 3 judges that I see hang around for awards.

At the FBA "Fun Cook" each Sep, the vast number of folks are cooks with only a few judges in attendance.

Put all that together, and it paints a picture of a divide.
Two groups of individuals who do not interrelate with each other.

Now, there are some great ideas above to integrate the judges with the teams and the contest overall.

I really, really, like the idea of making sure the judges are encouraged to come out on Fri night and share the "pot lucks" with the teams.

I also encourage any judge I meet to come cook with, or just hangout with, us whenever they want and are not judging.

Would it effect scoring---no. Or at least it shouldn't.
But it would at least make the whole weekend a lot more enjoyable.

Just my nickle.

TIM

BBQ Bandit
02-01-2012, 03:23 PM
There's a sticky on top of the Comp forum entitled "Judging; Among the Brethren".

Its a bit old... (2005) however does expose a few aspects of etiquette, protocal, and perception.

http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14263

Smokin' Hicks
02-01-2012, 06:17 PM
fraternization with the enemy (judges).....NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

it was just a joke :becky:

Sawdustguy
02-01-2012, 07:47 PM
Man, this topic brings back memories of the last BBQ on the River. Vinny (Millitant Squatter) helped us out at that contest. Willie B was judging and visited us on Friday Night with two cases of beer. When I awoke at 6 AM my brother was getting nervous because he thought we would be disqualified because Willie had passed out on a chair in our site and spent the night with us.

TooSaucedToPork
02-01-2012, 08:17 PM
And just to put it out there and clarify...ANY Judge is welcome in our booth anytime the rules allow, just like ANY Brethren is welcome in the Too Sauced To Pork BBQ Booth.

Maybe thats what we need to start...a judge-friendly team thread or sticky. That way there is no excuse for a divide but peoples own opinions and actions.

Just like Rookie48 said...you gotta start somewhere, so this is our "Come out and Play" pledge

4 smokin butts
02-01-2012, 09:38 PM
we woulfd always enjoy judges comming by on friday eve,weve had 6 or 8 do the weekend with us working on there masters........they see every aspect of the cook,cleanup,and turn in dennis:wink: mayby we need some new signs JUDGE FREINDLY:thumb: