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Zombie Barbecue
01-04-2012, 02:25 PM
I have been competing for 3 years now and I am fully engulfed (as you are) in the world of bbq competition. Ive worked in tv/film to pay for my hobbies for over 10 years now and Ive also written/directed a number of horror movies and a feature length comedy, Nacho Mountain.

My question is to the bbq brethren, What would you want to see showcased or shown in a bbq competition documentary. I am in the early stages of developing a full length documentary of the sport of bbq competition. I am going to follow a few teams (some new, some old, some good, some bad) and showcase their seasons, I want to highlight competition style recipes and processes and I also want to showcase the amount of time/money/energy that really goes into making competition bbq.

I know bbq pitmasters (1st season) has sort of done this already, but Im not doing this to highlight myron mixons muffin pan technique. I wanna show the true sport/camaraderie of competing.

So what are some things you would want to see in such a film?
more technique/recipe of the 4 meats (kcbs)?
would you want to know more about the competitors? or the equipment?
lemme know, all thoughts are welcomed.

AZScott
01-04-2012, 02:40 PM
I'd like to see the personal aspect of it along with some technique. I think the thing about BBQ P 1 that pulled people in was you liked the people and rooted for some of them along the way. All in all, I like where you are going with it.

Scottie
01-04-2012, 02:56 PM
People. A lot of good folks that do good things

motoeric
01-04-2012, 03:30 PM
I'd like to see very different people profiled. Urban vs. rural, old vs. young, experienced vs. new, etc.

I'd like to see an exploration of why they got into competition BBQ and where they are now compared to what their original concept was.

I'd like to see different approaches to competition BBQ. Those out for the trophies and $ vs. those out to have a good time with friends and family vs. those that try to meld the two.

I'd like to see some 'behind the curtain' stuff. How events are put together, how they benefit the community that they are held in, why some succeed and others fail, etc.

Hope that helps!

Eric

watg?
01-04-2012, 03:44 PM
I am with Scottie the people are the story, there are a ton of good folks and quite a few "characters" that make up the core of competition BBQ. Technique and recipes would be interesting stuff, but I wonder how much detail you could go into when telling the story due to the time involved. I think it is interesting detailing the time and effort involved in cooking a contest, as well as the drive of some of the teams that cook a lot. You have cooks that lead shots, hold prayers, give out cherries and shout “barrrbeeequeeeee” to mention a few of the characters. The list is long as well for those that do good things, Scotties foundation, teams that cook when disaster strikes, cooking for veterans, teams that donate all of their winnings, etc. To me it looks like a lot of angles and plenty of fodder for more than a few interesting stories, good luck with your idea.

Zombie Barbecue
01-04-2012, 03:48 PM
yes indeed. the people make the story. I really like focusing on atleast a small segment on what its like to host a bbq comp and the benefits it has on the community/cause. thanks eric for that one. keep em coming.

drbbq
01-04-2012, 04:10 PM
The problem with the food is that most of the top teams use similar techniques and similar store bought products. Anything interesting won't be very successful.

BBQ Bandit
01-04-2012, 04:16 PM
I am with Scottie the people are the story, there are a ton of good folks and quite a few "characters" that make up the core of competition BBQ. Technique and recipes would be interesting stuff, but I wonder how much detail you could go into when telling the story due to the time involved. I think it is interesting detailing the time and effort involved in cooking a contest, as well as the drive of some of the teams that cook a lot. You have cooks that lead shots, hold prayers, give out cherries and shout “barrrbeeequeeeee” to mention a few of the characters. The list is long as well for those that do good things, Scotties foundation, teams that cook when disaster strikes, cooking for veterans, teams that donate all of their winnings, etc. To me it looks like a lot of angles and plenty of fodder for more than a few interesting stories, good luck with your idea.

^^^^

Your idea is a good one... people who are not only competitors, but who has promoted bbq outside the circuit. People (forum admins), volunteers cooking for the churches, community, charities events, troop cooks... etc.

[disclaimer... not talking about me as an example... have a body and face for radio]

Balls Casten
01-04-2012, 04:24 PM
We have all bs’d about this at one time or another. One thing that we really wanted to see was the winners and how they prepared. (No secrets just what their day is like) It was once mentioned, why someone doesn’t hire a bunch of college media kids to come out and cover a bunch of teams. Most of which would end up on the cutting room floor. But you would have a much better chance of catching the winners. Cheap footage for the person doing the film … good experience for the college kids. Plus, I’ll bet the teams being covered would like to buy their coverage that didn’t make the show.

And lastly I want to see footage of cooks who drink too much. I hate people who don’t know when to stop drinking. (I wont mention any names ... Pat) :-)

Rich Parker
01-04-2012, 04:27 PM
The think i liked most about bbq pitmasters season 1 is because it was more about the competitors than a recipe. Sure there were little tips and tricks here and there but following the teams around was interesting to me. A lot of good people out there in the bbq world.

caseydog
01-04-2012, 04:36 PM
I'd like to see the personal aspect of it along with some technique. I think the thing about BBQ P 1 that pulled people in was you liked the people and rooted for some of them along the way. All in all, I like where you are going with it.

I'd like to see the personality aspect, too -- both good and bad. The quiet professionals, the colorful "entertainers", the arse-holes, the fun and games, and the pissing contests.

Also, a good mix of triumphs over adversity, and meltdowns.

I don't like documentaries that just show either the positive or the negative. I like to see the whole story.

CD

Bunny
01-04-2012, 05:02 PM
I'd like to see the working heart of BBQ come out in a film. We all cook, we all brag, we all buy our gear, but why we do we compete with each other...really. It goes a lot deeper than you think. When you've been doing this as long as some of us have, you find people with passionate heart. It's a commitment of strong relationships and BBQ is it's bond between them.

Amen to all my brothers and sisters!

Rich and Bunny
KCass BBQ established since 1987

SirPorkaLot
01-04-2012, 05:16 PM
No documentary on BBQ competitions would be complete without showcasing the judges as well. From certification to master judge.
Also would be great to see the different regional aspects of each competition (and judging)

E Mellow
01-04-2012, 05:40 PM
I would read "The Grill of Victory: Hot Competition on the Barbecue Circuit" By William Brohaugh... Great way of presenting competiton bbq to the masses

gmholler
01-04-2012, 06:08 PM
For his "rookie" year in competition BBQ, one of the cookers in Louisiana chronicled the contests he cooked at or attended (IBCA, KCBS, MBN) (you can see them at http://www.yokeup.net/BBQ.html). (http://www.yokeup.net/BBQ.html)

While these aren't a complete BBQ documentary (if they were, I'd expect the perspective of the judges and organizers to be highlighted as well), I think he captured the interaction between the competitors really well!

Lynn H.

bigjonsBBQ
01-04-2012, 06:13 PM
I would read "The Grill of Victory: Hot Competition on the Barbecue Circuit" By William Brohaugh... Great way of presenting competiton bbq to the masses


Thanks for the book, just ordered a copy for myself.

Back to the main thread here, my team has thought about just capturing everything we do from prep to waiting for results, with everything in between. It would be cool just to share with people who don't know much about these events.

KingRanch450
01-04-2012, 06:28 PM
I absolutely loved Season 1 of BBQ Pitmasters....can't believe they changed the format. I love seeing the equipment they cook on and use, little tips and techniques but also getting to know the competitors you choose to follow, like their homes, how they prepare for a comp and how and where they buy their meat, how they travel to the comps and seeing the places they compete and elements they are forced to deal with.

HarleyEarl
01-04-2012, 07:18 PM
Oh, where to start...

I think you need to find a hero vs. villain aspect to keep it interesting. Pitmasters season 1 hit on that with Myron being viewed as the villain and the rest as heroes. Also having a victim isn't bad either - that poor kid from Texas (can't remember his name) who thought he was all hot chit and got it handed to him time after time was compelling then having Johnny mentor him at the Royal was very telling of what BBQ is all about.

One other thing I would like to see is the family story - look at Swine Assassins or Smoke on Wheels - great stories of a family affair.

You should also look at what goes into a contest, what the teams go through to get prepared from planning their season, selecting meats, prepping for contests, and the set ups. Once on site, cover not only the Saturday turn in "rush"/panic and awards but the Friday night camaraderie.

I also like the idea of covering the judges - they have great stories to tell. Just sit down with Dave (Rookie'48 ) and you will see what I mean.

You should also look at what goes on behind the scenes from the contest organizers - how they get the whole game going.

Basically, you have a blank slate - where to go with it is ultimately up to you, but no matter how you view it, you'll have many angles you can cover. Best of luck and keep us up dated on your progress.

Q-Dat
01-04-2012, 07:19 PM
I would like to see some coverage of the local teams that don't travel. There are some great cooks that only cook once or twice a year.

Uncle T
01-04-2012, 07:49 PM
yes I would love to see about the people every one is colorful in their own way, Also why they do it, to me thats the best part. any one can grill or smoke to be honest. but why do the people who compete do this, stay up all hours, drive long hours ect.

TooSaucedToPork
01-04-2012, 08:00 PM
So what are some things you would want to see in such a film?

1. Explaination of who we are and what we do (most people think I slap chicken on a weber and thats bbq)
2. Processes involved in great BBQ
3. Explaination of why comp bbq differs from a restaurant or a backyard
4. Relationship amongst all us teams, judges, and the public
5. The anatomy of a bbq contest, how it all works
6. Celebrations with family, fellow teams and freinds. Most of all I want to see the moments that tug at all of our heartstrings and make me remember why I do this to myself week in and week out. Not just for GC's, but that first time rookie team that gets a 6th place walk in brisket after they thought it was trash. The veteran team next door that helped out and mentored that team, opening a beer and giving hugs and handshakes to everyone that will take them. That's what we do. That's real bbq.

more technique/recipe of the 4 meats (kcbs)?

There is more to BBQ than KCBS. There's MIM, MBN, FBA, NCBA, NEBS, LBS, CBA, just to name a few. All with different rules, cuts, and techniques. If it's a Doc about KCBS bbq, stick to the 4 meats...if its about all of Competition BBQ then you got a few main BBQ meats...Beef Brisket, Pork Shoulder/Butt, Whole Hog, Chicken, and of course Pork Ribs.

would you want to know more about the competitors? or the equipment?

Both, but people relate to people. And honestly, if you go into too much detail on the equipment, there is just too much for civilians to handle. You could do an entire doc on just smokers...maybe general examples like "offset" or "gravity fed" or "pellet".

lemme know, all thoughts are welcomed.

I love this sport, hell I grew up in it...You make an honest to god documentary about it, not the drama induced wreck that was pitmasters, and I will be the first in line to see it.

Good luck,
Neil

Zombie Barbecue
01-04-2012, 09:15 PM
good stuff her folks. I'm keeping all this in my notes. Just to be clear, as much as I would love to cover national comps or multi-regional, as well as the different organizations but I am on a budget for this and realistically would only be able to cover the comps in my area -PA, nj, Del, NY (maybe part 2, I can travel) and my area is mainly kcbs sponsored. but theres still a lot to cover. I do like the topdog vs underdog. I am convinced that this is about the people (competitors, organizers, forum hosts, judges.) I like the idea of starting out at a judging class (theres one in april I think around me) and going from there.
No need to try to create any drama man, I know what its like 5 minutes before rib turn-in and I know what its like to completely screw up a piece of meat. thats drama enough. I'm def interested in other peoples rigs, motorhomes, tents, etc. think I saw a dude with an airconditioner in his tent last year and most of all, try to explain this "bug" that we all have that makes us work our asses off to pay for this year in, year out. love it folks. much appreciated on the ideas!

bbqchicken
01-04-2012, 09:32 PM
So what are some things you would want to see in such a film?

"boobies boobies boobies"

A little eye candy never hurts.

http://thumbnails.hulu.com/9/990/32779_384x288_generated__klgCcSBPsUyzyjTrdrO1HQ.jp g

gtr
01-04-2012, 09:59 PM
As someone who has edited more documentaries than I can count (probably 'cause I can't count too high) I can state with some confidence that what you end up with will most likely not be what you planned. There's a lot to be said for getting as much interesting footage as possible and seeing what emerges in the editing process. You kinda gotta go where the footage takes you.

Zombie Barbecue
01-04-2012, 10:18 PM
So what are some things you would want to see in such a film?

"boobies boobies boobies"

A little eye candy never hurts.

http://thumbnails.hulu.com/9/990/32779_384x288_generated__klgCcSBPsUyzyjTrdrO1HQ.jp g




and roll credits.

Lake Dogs
01-05-2012, 09:00 AM
I was planning out what I wanted, and then I read Neil's post above. He said it pretty much.

+1

JD McGee
01-05-2012, 10:40 AM
I would like to see all areas of the country represented!

bover
01-05-2012, 11:10 AM
Definitely focus on the people, especially the Friday night activities. The camaraderie that happens there is a heck of a lot more compelling than our meat, recipes or pits.

JayAre
01-05-2012, 12:45 PM
Frankly, I'm tired of seeing/hearing footage about the American Royal and Memphis in May...yeah, they are big contests but only make up a small percentage of what is going on in the BBQ world. Hell, the Jack isnt even represented enough on TV. with that said. Small local contests will have a better representation of the average team. We all know who the big guys are, give the little guy, some publicity...the ones who more often "donate" (dont win but contribute to the prize money)

Pelkster
01-05-2012, 01:12 PM
Hey everyone! Happy New Years!

I'm reading this post at work, and I asked some of my co-workers who don't really know anything about BBQ except how to eat it :laugh: what they would like to see in a BBQ Doc. Besides the stuff already listed, one gentleman said he would like to see the extremism that some teams go to to try to win. He mentioned one documentary he saw about people in Texas trying to win a truck by keeping a hand on it. Last one to remain touching it wins. There was one woman who gathered teh support of her church who showed up to pray with and for her, and they started singing and clapping. The woman ended up losing because she started clapping along, but I think you get what I'm talking about.

Other than that, I love the idea and would be very interested in seeing the finished product. Best of luck on it!

Bourbon Barrel BBQ
01-05-2012, 01:59 PM
The think i liked most about bbq pitmasters season 1 is because it was more about the competitors than a recipe. Sure there were little tips and tricks here and there but following the teams around was interesting to me. A lot of good people out there in the bbq world.

This is the key to something that people will want to watch. Say what you will about Myron but his "character" makes the show. If you follow around people who have the personality of a tree then nobody cares. You need some characters to root for and some to root against.

zombie barbecue2
01-05-2012, 05:53 PM
Depending on the projected viewer. I think one aspect to cover would be the different types of pits. For the beginner, maybe show the differences between offset, ceramic, water smoker, pellet fed, etc. I like the idea of showing the camaraderie of the teams. That was always a great part of competing for me.

JD McGee
01-05-2012, 07:17 PM
good stuff her folks. I'm keeping all this in my notes. Just to be clear, as much as I would love to cover national comps or multi-regional, as well as the different organizations but I am on a budget for this and realistically would only be able to cover the comps in my area -PA, nj, Del, NY (maybe part 2, I can travel) and my area is mainly kcbs sponsored. but theres still a lot to cover. I do like the topdog vs underdog. I am convinced that this is about the people (competitors, organizers, forum hosts, judges.) I like the idea of starting out at a judging class (theres one in april I think around me) and going from there.
No need to try to create any drama man, I know what its like 5 minutes before rib turn-in and I know what its like to completely screw up a piece of meat. thats drama enough. I'm def interested in other peoples rigs, motorhomes, tents, etc. think I saw a dude with an airconditioner in his tent last year and most of all, try to explain this "bug" that we all have that makes us work our asses off to pay for this year in, year out. love it folks. much appreciated on the ideas!

Bummer...

K-Train
01-06-2012, 07:27 AM
If you need teams to follow we'd be interested. We're new, only done two contests, so we'd have the angle of new team covered for you. Just send me a message. Thanks.

Zombie Barbecue
01-06-2012, 09:16 AM
Bummer...


I know brotha. I am definitely considering atleast explaining the other sanctioning bbq leagues and I will travel to a large comp, The Jack or MIM to gather footage at one of the HUGE comps and I can showcase the difference there. Never know though, it all comes down to funding for this project first. It's gonna suck not competing this year but I have feeling Im going to gather some incredible footage of this sport and really show the public what we do.

bbqchicken
01-08-2012, 06:26 PM
trying to win a truck by keeping a hand on it. Last one to remain touching it wins.


That's an interesting idea. How about having a contest to see who could leave their hand on the smoker the longest! :flame::rofl::hurt:


But seriously please keep us posted on how your documentary is working out.:thumb:

Boochie
01-08-2012, 08:38 PM
What drew me in to BBQ was the way we treat each other. We are competitors yet we will give up our last cup of brown sugar to help the other teams out.

Sawdustguy
01-09-2012, 09:34 AM
good stuff her folks. I'm keeping all this in my notes. Just to be clear, as much as I would love to cover national comps or multi-regional, as well as the different organizations but I am on a budget for this and realistically would only be able to cover the comps in my area -PA, nj, Del, NY (maybe part 2, I can travel) and my area is mainly kcbs sponsored. but theres still a lot to cover. I do like the topdog vs underdog. I am convinced that this is about the people (competitors, organizers, forum hosts, judges.) I like the idea of starting out at a judging class (theres one in april I think around me) and going from there.
No need to try to create any drama man, I know what its like 5 minutes before rib turn-in and I know what its like to completely screw up a piece of meat. thats drama enough. I'm def interested in other peoples rigs, motorhomes, tents, etc. think I saw a dude with an airconditioner in his tent last year and most of all, try to explain this "bug" that we all have that makes us work our asses off to pay for this year in, year out. love it folks. much appreciated on the ideas!

I think you are on the right track. I think the audience would identify with the under dog cooking a competition more than a top dog. I think it would be cool to see what drives the underdog team to cook a competition. A team with just a couple WSM's and a canopy would be an interesting perspective and maybe drive others to try it out. Good Luck!!

Pigs on Fire
01-09-2012, 11:11 AM
A team with just a couple WSM's and a canopy would be an interesting perspective and maybe drive others to try it out. Good Luck!!



Naaahhhh. Those teams are usually at the end of the score sheets, never get called and it would just showcase the NEED to have a $67k truck pulling a $45k fifth wheel toy hauler with a $3200 cooker on it.

bover
01-09-2012, 11:46 AM
Naaahhhh. Those teams are usually at the end of the score sheets, never get called and it would just showcase the NEED to have a $67k truck pulling a $45k fifth wheel toy hauler with a $3200 cooker on it.

I can't tell for sure from your wording, but I'm really hoping there was a lot of sarcasm intended here...

Crash
01-10-2012, 01:05 AM
Naaahhhh. Those teams are usually at the end of the score sheets, never get called and it would just showcase the NEED to have a $67k truck pulling a $45k fifth wheel toy hauler with a $3200 cooker on it.
Hmmm...that was joke right? :shocked:

SouthernMagicBBQ
01-21-2012, 10:00 AM
I agree, show the whole scene not just the who's ahead stuff. It seems the last ones I saw never showed the whole picture. We all know how to rub and inject . We all know Myron's opinions. Show the underdogs, amateurs, backyarders. See what drives them into our insane world.

bbqbrad
01-21-2012, 10:34 AM
I would read "The Grill of Victory: Hot Competition on the Barbecue Circuit" By William Brohaugh... Great way of presenting competiton bbq to the masses

That is a must read!!!

bam
01-21-2012, 11:33 AM
Get answer to the question why compete why do you bbq? :clap2:

TheJackal
01-21-2012, 01:49 PM
You should include a segment on team names and why they chose what they did. Many times there is a story there. Spectators at contests always walk around and take pictures of team names and buy the occassional T-shirt or hat, etc. It is one of the things that usually catches their interest.

And now that I mention spectators, you should talk to them as well at some of the contests that have a big street festival such as Wildwood or Seaside to hear what they do or don't know about competition BBQ. That may influence some of your decisions.