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Ryan Chester
01-04-2012, 02:19 PM
I don't usually do this but what the hell. This is the brisket box I turned in day 2 last weekend at Knott's Berry Farm. Give it an appearance score and I'll post up what I got in a bit. I evened up the parslet a bit more before I sent it in but you get the idea.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t161/ryatothen/Brisket-1.jpg

HOG WILD BBQ
01-04-2012, 02:22 PM
8.5 if i were a judge

Groundhog66
01-04-2012, 02:23 PM
Does an appearance score have anything to do with one's desire to actually consume what's in the box?

G$
01-04-2012, 02:25 PM
A) What Parsely?
B) Your box is how I intend mine to look - I usually fail
C) I will say, however, why is your brisket spotted?
D) Therefore 8 (and 9 if the spots were not visible with the nekkid eye - are they injection spots?)

Ryan Chester
01-04-2012, 02:29 PM
A) What Parsely?
B) Your box is how I intend mine to look - I usually fail
C) I will say, however, why is your brisket spotted?
D) Therefore 8 (and 9 if the spots were not visible with the nekkid eye - are they injection spots?)

Those spots are from the injection but you couldn't really see them. Way more visable with the camera.

AZScott
01-04-2012, 02:36 PM
If I were competing I'd expect an average of 8 - 8.25 with the 6 scores with perhaps some 9's and maybe a 7. On most days, one judge goes low.

G$
01-04-2012, 02:36 PM
Those spots are from the injection but you couldn't really see them. Way more visable with the camera.

Looks like a really good box to me then, if they were not visible. It is just like I would like my brisket to appear: Moist, hearty, and all about the beef. I will be interested to see if folks comment on your lack of BEs. I typically do not include them either....





(Side note, check out how loose the muscle fibres are around your injection sites compared to where they are not. Remarkable really)

Lake Dogs
01-04-2012, 02:39 PM
nice color, nice bark, clean arrangement, appetizing. 9

deguerre
01-04-2012, 02:39 PM
Those spots are from the injection but you couldn't really see them. Way more visable with the camera.

That's good to know because those yellow splotches are pretty off putting in the photo. It looks like it has good texture, but, again it may be the photo, it appears to be greasy instead of moist. Almost as if you had sprayed it with PAM. I'm guessing it was moist. Nice smoke ring, but that's not to be judged by my understanding. 8?

roksmith
01-04-2012, 02:44 PM
If it didn't have the staining, I would have given in a 9, since I can't judge based on what it may have looked like, it's an 8. Wouldn't/Shouldn't lower the score because of something that's not in the box.(Burnt Ends)

INmitch
01-04-2012, 02:50 PM
Those spots are from the injection but you couldn't really see them. Way more visable with the camera.
I never notice injection marks either but they show up on pics.
I'd maybe pretrim just a little more so they can lay straight. Maybe get the parsley a little more even around the edges.

But I'd still give it a 9. Looks good.

Balls Casten
01-04-2012, 02:52 PM
What did it look like before you sharpened the picture?

from a cooks eye ... is it done? the only place it looks like the fat is rendered is where there is too much injection. ????

For appearance ... meat is sliced even, generally appealing, just even up the edges of the parsley and its a nice box. They dont have to be perfect.

bignburlyman
01-04-2012, 02:55 PM
Nice uniform slices, if the shine is moistness, not greasy that is great too, and if the off color around the injections is not visible I would give a 9 all day long! If the lighter color around the injections are visible, I would have to drop to at least 8, not perfect but still very nice looking.

CUErious
01-04-2012, 03:02 PM
I'm a CBJ and I'd give you a 9 ..if those yellow marks were not so prevalent. Otherwise you'd get a solid 8 simply because those slices look juicy and enticing and almost perfect (if not for those streaks) As a judge I like to judge the meat and not how talented you are at planting flowers in a box ...Unless no effort is made and parsley is just thrown in there and screams at you, "I don't bleepin' care". (I've seen some of that at two Comps in Maine). So your parsley frames everything just right to me. I'll also add most judges have a deep disdain for injections especially phosphates, I'd work at concealing those streaks or some judges may really penalize you. That's my opinion.

Rookie'48
01-04-2012, 03:16 PM
If, as you say, the injection marks aren't visable to the nekkid eye then it looks like at least a solid 8 from here, maybe a 9 seeing it in person.

big brother smoke
01-04-2012, 03:28 PM
8 maybe 9 in person, bro!

Ryan Chester
01-04-2012, 04:14 PM
By no means do I think this is a perfect brisket box or the best one I've ever done but just felt I got the shaft a bit with 3 7's. I know appearance is weighted less but when you turn in something pretty good and get bad scores, your just like WTF??? Anyway, thanks for your input as I thought it would be fun to see what you guys thought. Brisket is a solid category for us so it is what it is.

7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9.

deguerre
01-04-2012, 04:16 PM
Dang. You got solid 8/9 to 9 scores here.

Ryan Chester
01-04-2012, 04:18 PM
Dang. You got solid 8/9 to 9 scores here.

Thats how it goes. Better luck next time!:thumb:

ique
01-04-2012, 04:20 PM
By no means do I think this is a perfect brisket box or the best one I've ever done but just felt I got the shaft a bit with 3 7's. I know appearance is weighted less but when you turn in something pretty good and get bad scores, your just like WTF??? Anyway, thanks for your input as I thought it would be fun to see what you guys thought. Brisket is a solid category for us so it is what it is.

7, 7, 7, 8, 8, 9.


I hear you need to present like Harry Soo if you want 9's in Cali

Ryan Chester
01-04-2012, 04:22 PM
I hear you need to present like Harry Soo if you want 9's in Cali

You ain't lyin. Or like Tippy. He got 1st place brisket this same day.

Ron_L
01-04-2012, 04:25 PM
So this is a perfect example of why it's very hard to give a score based on a photo :-D Things link the injection stains were most likely not this visible in person, and having a photo in front of me lets me scrutinize it. In a real judging environment I'd have 10 - 20 seconds to look at it and give it a score, most likely under poor lighting.

So, my first glance score was a 9. After I looked at it for a while I lowered it to an 8 because of the staining and the curved slices. I may have given it an 8 because of the curved slices alone, but that's a tough one. The curve doesn't make the brisket any less desirable, it just makes the box look less than perfect.

Rich Parker
01-04-2012, 04:32 PM
Maybe the yellow staining was more prevalent than you realized at the time and that is why you got three 7's. Just a guess...

I have made boxes that i thought were perfect only to look at a pic later and see problems with it.

Ryan Chester
01-04-2012, 04:43 PM
Maybe the yellow staining was more prevalent than you realized at the time and that is why you got three 7's. Just a guess...

I have made boxes that i thought were perfect only to look at a pic later and see problems with it.

Maybe so but I am pretty positive they wern't very noticable. Just thought 3 7's was a bit funky. Not bitchin just wanted to have some fun with it. I definitely don't think it is a perfect box. Thats just how it goes. On to the next one!

HBMTN
01-04-2012, 04:50 PM
I'd say based on the scores the injection marks were more visible than maybe you thought. 9 if I could not see the marks but judging what I see with injection marks a 7-8

Stoke&Smoke
01-04-2012, 05:09 PM
Looks like a really good box to me then, if they were not visible. It is just like I would like my brisket to appear: Moist, hearty, and all about the beef. I will be interested to see if folks comment on your lack of BEs. I typically do not include them either....

(Side note, check out how loose the muscle fibres are around your injection sites compared to where they are not. Remarkable really)

If anyone comments on lack of burnt ends, I hope they aren't judging my turn ins. A judge is supposed to judge what was presented, not what he/she wishes it was.

I'd give it an 8. It looks really good but the injection marks mar the appearance just a little

G$
01-04-2012, 05:20 PM
A judge is supposed to judge what was presented, not what he/she wishes it was.


I hope you understand that I know this.

Big Poppa
01-04-2012, 07:17 PM
its bbq. I see the injections stains right away and I have to believe that they saw them too....About every third contest we scratch our head.....

boogiesnap
01-04-2012, 07:24 PM
I hear you need to present like Harry Soo if you want 9's in Cali

i'm so out of the loop, it's not even funny. :evil:

ryan, i'd give a 9. what doesn't look appetizing in that box?

while BE's, and here we go...flame all you want...not being in the box doesn't score down from me, if they are in there, AND they look good, the box is more appetizing in appearance because i know how good they can taste.

one MAY get a better appearance score.

Tim H
01-04-2012, 07:49 PM
The box looks outstanding.

As a CBJ and Cook, I'd give you a 9 all day long.

Nice work!

BBQ Nuts
01-04-2012, 07:52 PM
looks like an 8 to me. nice box.

Ryan Chester
01-04-2012, 08:07 PM
Thanks for the input guys. Just fun to see what y'all think. I'll snatch up those 9's next time!:thumb:

BoneDaddy's
01-05-2012, 06:56 AM
The box looks outstanding.

As a CBJ and Cook, I'd give you a 9 all day long.

Nice work!

CBJ and cook also and I agree 9 (without injection marks)....I have only judged a handful of times, but I feel (just a feeling) that many "non-cook" judges like to score down as they are placing your brisket in their zip-lock bag!

Funtimebbq
01-05-2012, 08:51 AM
Hi Ryan,

Your box did not deserve 7s and I do know how Harry's boxes look (at least 6 months ago).

Benny

Brewmaster
01-05-2012, 10:47 AM
From my experience an injected brisket seems to get darker the longer is sits after being sliced. When I say injected I'm talking about phosphates (i.e. Kosmos or Butchers).

Has anyone else noticed this?

My point being, this picture was taken of freshly sliced brisket. Maybe the contrast of injection marks were exaggerated the longer the slices sat in the box. Maybe the reason for the lower scores?

I would give this picture an 8.

Cheers,
Nate

Ryan Chester
01-05-2012, 12:21 PM
From my experience an injected brisket seems to get darker the longer is sits after being sliced. When I say injected I'm talking about phosphates (i.e. Kosmos or Butchers).

Has anyone else noticed this?

My point being, this picture was taken of freshly sliced brisket. Maybe the contrast of injection marks were exaggerated the longer the slices sat in the box. Maybe the reason for the lower scores?

I would give this picture an 8.

Cheers,
Nate

Very well could have been the case. The liquid I mixed the injection with is dark so I guess i'll revert back to the clear.:thumb:

tony76248
01-05-2012, 09:35 PM
I've scored 9's with way uglier boxes than that which looks great, therefore I would say 9's all the way. Those judges were very poor. I would proudly turn in that box in every comp I do. Pictures never do the turn-in boxes justice. The judges get so little time to scrutinize the appearance it really surprises me that anyone here could say that box was anything less than a 9. Again.... KCBS judges should be required to cook competitively once in a while so they could somehow extract their head from their arses.

Flavor Gangster
01-06-2012, 08:58 PM
Very easy to hide the streaks and still inject.

Get rid of those small azz needles. Get a DICK! Thats F Dick.

Oh and Keep your marinade below 40 F

JD McGee
01-06-2012, 09:04 PM
I hear you need to present like Harry Soo if you want 9's in Cali

Or "Simply Marvelous" and "Sylvie"...:thumb:

Good lookin' box man...a solid 8 for sure! :thumb:

ibrisky
01-06-2012, 09:34 PM
You'd get a 9 from me. Close to an 8 with the injection marks but, I round up when I'm judging.

looks good

Balls Casten
01-06-2012, 10:37 PM
Commenting more on the numbers than the picture.
If you received 3 sevens ... Then maybe you deserved a seven.
We improved a lot after we started setting samples aside for 20 min then looking/photographing what we turned in.

Again. Ryann I'm not commenting on the pic just the scores? .?????