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arrowhead
12-19-2011, 10:24 AM
kcbs will be announcing the schedule today.

chibi
12-19-2011, 06:14 PM
kcbs will be announcing the schedule today.


Yeah right.......still waiting.........

Ron_L
12-19-2011, 06:23 PM
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y3w2f_NYAfQ/TspHaLzIIeI/AAAAAAAAE0U/1NEZnAYbQbc/s1600/19286-Clipart-Illustration-Of-A-Yellow-Smiley-Face-Puckering-Its-Lips-And-Holding-Its-Breath-In-Its-Cheeks_medium.jpeg

Bbq Bubba
12-19-2011, 06:33 PM
Zzzzzzz.

Rich Parker
12-19-2011, 06:39 PM
I have no patience....hurry it up already.

JD McGee
12-19-2011, 06:45 PM
kcbs will be announcing the schedule today.

When today? Tomorrow today? Next week today? :becky::laugh::heh:

Bbq Bubba
12-19-2011, 06:47 PM
[QUOTE=JD McGee;1885733]When today? Tomorrow today? Next week today? :becky::laugh::

Before bed time today?

Rich Parker
12-19-2011, 06:50 PM
I have twins to feed so I will be up pretty late anyway. :wink:

lcbateman3
12-19-2011, 06:51 PM
I have twins to feed so I will be up pretty late anyway. :wink:

Well call me when it comes out then, I might be asleep by then....

Bbq Bubba
12-19-2011, 06:55 PM
Is KCBS even awake this late? :)

SeaDogBBQ
12-19-2011, 06:55 PM
The board is probably having a four hour debate whether to post it on the website or facebook first.

KingRanch450
12-19-2011, 07:07 PM
I wish KCBS would come to the Lone Star State a little more.

boogiesnap
12-19-2011, 07:46 PM
:pop2:

nthole
12-20-2011, 12:06 AM
HA. Right after I posted that they looked like amateurs for posting like that and not following it up the post disappeared. Wonder if they pulled it?!?!?

lcbateman3
12-20-2011, 04:55 AM
I still see your post Neil...

Bbq Bubba
12-20-2011, 06:08 AM
still waiting.......

nthole
12-20-2011, 08:35 AM
I still see your post Neil...

Interesting...the post is gone for me and I don't see anything from KCBS anymore. Wonder if they blocked me. Would seem harsh considering I pay dues...

JayAre
12-20-2011, 09:25 AM
From the "other place"...Candy Sue says "Venue problems which required moves. I think the announcement will go today. At least it didn't go out wrong!"

JD McGee
12-20-2011, 09:49 AM
Hey...it's "today yesterday"...I think? Lol!

Ron_L
12-20-2011, 10:12 AM
Or it's yesterday tomorrow...

southernstyle
12-20-2011, 10:18 AM
:clock:

Candy Sue
12-20-2011, 10:38 AM
It's today, today! And should be in your in box very soon. And it's all good!

iampaulb
12-20-2011, 10:56 AM
The board is probably having a four hour debate whether to post it on the website or facebook first.

Social Media is the new hip wave !

riblette
12-20-2011, 12:41 PM
Social Media is the new hip wave !


I hear they are first looking to sign a contract with a company specializing in posting updates to facebook and the rest of the web. They have narrowed it to down to two firms, both of which are owned by board members.

Iím sorryÖ:nono:...that was totally inappropriate and not in the spirit of the holidays. Look forward to getting the news!

JD McGee
12-20-2011, 01:09 PM
It's today, today! And should be in your in box very soon. And it's all good!
Meaning no disrespect Candy (and in keeping with the lighthearted ribbing at KCBS)...would that be "today...today" or tomorrow today? Lol!
Cheers!
JD

Spydermike72
12-20-2011, 01:56 PM
Seriously, how hard can this be ?? If you are ready to release the info release it, if not dont mention it...

Sauced!
12-20-2011, 02:00 PM
Just got a KCBS Quarterly Update email with a generic blurb about the 2012 Sams Club National BBQ Tour but no info about venues or dates. :confused:

big brother smoke
12-20-2011, 02:04 PM
^^^^^yup!

quarters69
12-20-2011, 02:06 PM
Seriously, how hard can this be ?? If you are ready to release the info release it, if not dont mention it...

Agreed 1000%


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JD McGee
12-20-2011, 02:21 PM
^^^^^yup!

Same here...got it a few minutes ago today...today! Lol!

huminie
12-20-2011, 02:22 PM
I got the email and it did not include the tour schedule as promised.

JD McGee
12-20-2011, 02:22 PM
Seriously, how hard can this be ?? If you are ready to release the info release it, if not dont mention it...

Then we wouldn't be having this much fun pokin' 'em!

Dan - 3eyzbbq
12-20-2011, 02:43 PM
I got the email and it did not include the tour schedule as promised.

At least you got that. I didn't even get the email....

Carnivorous Endeavors BBQ
12-20-2011, 02:50 PM
Hey Look at the bright side...we may not have real information but at least...:
"The Sam's Club National BBQ Tour in 2012 promises to be even bigger! More events and more prizes means more competition and more drama."

Hmmm.. I wonder if being bigger and better means we won't have to carry our water to our site in 5 gallon buckets and if we'll get reliable electricity...lets cross our fingers!!

Slamdunkpro
12-20-2011, 02:53 PM
Meaning no disrespect Candy (and in keeping with the lighthearted ribbing at KCBS)...would that be "today...today" or tomorrow today? Lol!
Cheers!
JD

Island time:icon_cool

huminie
12-20-2011, 03:28 PM
Here you go guys:

http://kcbs.us/sams-club-series.php

rooftop bbq
12-20-2011, 03:29 PM
Its up. But still not complete. Only regional and no dates for even those.
:roll:http://kcbs.us/news.php?id=441

rooftop bbq
12-20-2011, 03:30 PM
my bad just saw that:doh:

chibi
12-20-2011, 03:32 PM
its complete now.

iampaulb
12-20-2011, 03:34 PM
Dates... have 2011 not 2012... but look to line up with what KCBS is saying on their info page.

http://kcbs.us/news.php?id=441
http://kcbs.us/sams-club-series.php

This really is a joke, technically speaking.

huminie
12-20-2011, 03:36 PM
Disappoint. Nothing in Northern California. :cry:

JD McGee
12-20-2011, 03:38 PM
Still nothing in my neck of the woods...as usual...we may look into Salt Lake City...I'll just have to bring my own libations...if you know what I mean...lol!

rooftop bbq
12-20-2011, 03:42 PM
hmm San Diego, or Vegas

Sledneck
12-20-2011, 03:47 PM
Medford ny same weekend as Hudson valley

brog315
12-20-2011, 03:49 PM
Dang, no Conroe, TX...and wedding the weekend of Dallas. Hoping to be able to make Austin or Baton Rouge. I really enjoyed the KCBS and Sams Club format last year.

dmprantz
12-20-2011, 03:50 PM
We had three close to us last year, only one this year, but at least the regional is local. Looks like there are a lot of Sat-Sun comps in there too....

dmp

SCSmoke
12-20-2011, 03:57 PM
Looks like I may be in for a trip to Madison WI. Good Luck everyone.

Sledneck
12-20-2011, 03:57 PM
Some nice money they got there damn.....

huminie
12-20-2011, 04:00 PM
The Region 1 San Diego contest will likely only attract teams from SoCal, but the Region 1 final is on the same day as a previously scheduled Arlie Bragg event in Long Beach.

Muzzlebrake
12-20-2011, 04:02 PM
Looks like they have tweaked some of the rules too. Teams can only register for one local event. I like the new payout schedule. Finally a contest showing a little love to the overall results!

Be nice if we could get some more contests up here in the Northeast, but hey who doesn't like a good road trip?

southernstyle
12-20-2011, 04:07 PM
two in florida, both 2 hour drive for us. decisions. :roll:

Rub
12-20-2011, 04:19 PM
I'm in! Not sure which FL contest....

Rich Parker
12-20-2011, 04:19 PM
5. Teams are allowed to register for only one local qualifier. In the spirit of fairness, teams are not allowed to compete in more than one local qualifier. A team’s head cook and team members cannot enter the assigned cooking area of another team at another Sam’s Club contest.If it is determined that a head cook or team member is abusing this rule, both teams will be disqualified.

This rule is going to create some entertainment.

Leatherheadiowa
12-20-2011, 04:21 PM
I love the fact that the local closest to me is 3 blocks away. Too bad the club manager had no clue about the contest until I told him. The Des Moines, Iowa contest may be tougher than the entire regional. IMHO...

sitnfat
12-20-2011, 04:29 PM
Yeah no close contests this year dont k ow if we will try Marietta or not

ThomEmery
12-20-2011, 04:29 PM
Competition Schedule

Region 1 - Albuquerque, NM
Date Sam's Club Address City ST Teams
4/7/12 6692 4701 N. Stone Ave. Tucson AZ
4/14/12 6235 6336 College Grove Way San Diego CA
4/21/12 6382 7175 Spring Mountain Rd Las Vegas NV
4/28/12 6686 1905 S. 300 W. Salt Lake City UT
5/5/12 4745 9601 Grant St. Thornton CO
5/12/12 6672 300 Eubank Blvd. N.E. Albuquerque NM

Region 2 - St. Charles, MO
Date Sam's Club Address City ST Teams
3/10/12 6527 10444 North Mall Dr. Baton Rouge LA
3/17/12 8282 2900 W. Wheatland Rd. Dallas TX
3/24/12 8241 6521 S.E. 29th St. Midwest City OK
5/19/12 8208 12200 W. 95th St. Lenexa KS
5/26/12 6453 9700 N. Capital of TX Hwy. Austin TX
9/29/12 8251 2855 S. Service Rd. St. Charles MO

Region 3 - Madison, TN
Date Sam's Club Address City ST Teams
2/18/12 6401 15835 N. Dale Mabry Tampa FL
3/3/12 6335 3921 S.W. College Rd. Ocala FL
6/1/12 8203 150 S. Cobb Pkwy. S. Marietta GA
6/9/12 8115 596 Bobby Jones Expy. Augusta GA
6/16/12 8252 4900 Centre Point Dr. N. Charleston SC
9/22/12 8257 2240 Gallatin Pike N. Madison TN

Region 4 - Rockford, IL
Date Sam's Club Address City ST Teams
6/30/12 6317 4790 Portage St. Canton OH
7/7/12 6412 15700 Northline Rd. Southgate MI
7/14/12 8255 7050 Watts Rd. Madison WI
7/21/12 6312 9925 Hudson Rd. Woodbury MN
7/28/12 6344 1101 73rd St. Des Moines IA
8/4/12 8297 7151 Walton St. Rockford IL

Region 5 - Chesapeake, VA
Date Sam's Club Address City ST Teams
6/23/12 6402 4418 W. Wendover Ave. Greensboro NC
8/11/12 6575 249 Summit Park Dr. Pittsburgh PA
8/18/12 6428 2950 Horse Bock Rd. Medford NY
8/25/12 8144 1025 West Black Horse Pike Pleasantville PA
9/8/12 6434 3535 Russett Green E. Laurel MD
9/15/12 6368 1501 Sam's Cir. Chesapeake VA

Sam's Club National BBQ Championship
Date Sam's Club Address City ST Teams
10/13/12 4969 3500 S.E. Club Blvd. Bentonville AR

Bourbon Barrel BBQ
12-20-2011, 04:33 PM
Do these contest count toward the Jack?

dmprantz
12-20-2011, 04:47 PM
My understanding from last year: If a local qualifier has a state proclaimation it will count toward The Jack. Regionals will not.

dmp

Muzzlebrake
12-20-2011, 04:58 PM
schedule says Pleasantville,PA the map shows the contest in what looks like Pleasantville NJ.........:confused:

which looks like it is the same weekend as New Holland.....

Sauced!
12-20-2011, 05:13 PM
Looks like they have tweaked some of the rules too. Teams can only register for one local event. I like the new payout schedule. Finally a contest showing a little love to the overall results!

Be nice if we could get some more contests up here in the Northeast, but hey who doesn't like a good road trip?

I agree. I like the overall payouts but the category payouts at the local level are pretty weak. $300 for 1st is not good.

big brother smoke
12-20-2011, 05:26 PM
I agree. I like the overall payouts but the category payouts at the local level are pretty weak. $300 for 1st is not good.

Versus $750 last year. Welp, at least the distance to San Diego is 3.5 hours versus 7 in the RV (less gas money):rolleyes:

huminie
12-20-2011, 05:32 PM
I think what they are trying to do is make sure that each team that moves on to the regional wins some cash to help them get there. Last year there were a lot of teams that had to travel great distances to the regional having not won a penny in the local event. I am sure this change was due to that feedback.

Since this event is all about overall ranking to make it to the next level, why bother paying out for the categories. This is a tournament to see who the best team is. If you move on, you win some money. If not, oh well! A bit harsh, but I am sure you catch my drift.

dreed
12-20-2011, 05:37 PM
Medford NY looks like it may be on same the weekend as Hudson Valley Ribfest. Interesting because HVR is an established competition that draws a lot of Northeast teams.

quarters69
12-20-2011, 05:40 PM
Not liking locations. Atleast a 7 1/2 hour drive no matter what.


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jrbBBQ
12-20-2011, 05:41 PM
I was really looking forward to these contests this year, but I'd have to drive 10 hours to try to qualify for a regional that is 2 hours away. The St. Charles regional has two contests in texas, one in kansas, louisana, and oklahoma, well I guess the one in Lenexa, KS is only 6 hours away.

Fat Freddy
12-20-2011, 05:44 PM
With this one now there is 3 contests the same days in Iowa all the same distance from me in different directions. Kinda surprised that there would be 3 sanctioned events on the same days. Just makes my decision tougher hopefully I pick the right one :pray:

dreed
12-20-2011, 05:53 PM
schedule says Pleasantville,PA the map shows the contest in what looks like Pleasantville NJ.........:confused:

which looks like it is the same weekend as New Holland.....


111 miles east of Pittsburgh, unfortunately not quite NJ

Pig Headed
12-20-2011, 05:55 PM
If you go on Sam's Club .com and enter the store number, it shows Pleasantville, NJ.

Bentley
12-20-2011, 05:56 PM
I wonder if they will announce who the reps are of each contest before the sign up date comes around?

huminie
12-20-2011, 05:57 PM
For me the choice is to drive 8 hours for the local for the chance to then drive 18 hours to the regional which will be the same day as a very nice contest 15 mins from home.

dreed
12-20-2011, 06:02 PM
If you go on Sam's Club .com and enter the store number, it shows Pleasantville, NJ.

I stand corrected, it does come up as NJ. better for us.

Pig Headed
12-20-2011, 06:13 PM
I stand corrected, it does come up as NJ. better for us.

It's a shame it's the same week as New Holland. Gonna have to try for Laurel,MD. NJ would have been closer for us.

Sauced!
12-20-2011, 06:18 PM
111 miles east of Pittsburgh, unfortunately not quite NJ


Yeah, i would say this is definitely the wrong city. No way they have a pittsburgh event and this event. I think they mean Pleasantville, NJ. The map is most likely the correct location.

JD McGee
12-20-2011, 06:38 PM
Hmmm...840 miles one way to Salt Lake City for the local then 1400 miles one way to Albuquerque if we get lucky. Still...there is nothing up here in April...I'll see if Rhana goes for it. We're not gonna sign up with the intention of just doing a local...in for a penny...in for a pound! :thumb:

RangerJ
12-20-2011, 07:07 PM
Since this event is all about overall ranking to make it to the next level, why bother paying out for the categories. This is a tournament to see who the best team is. If you move on, you win some money. If not, oh well! A bit harsh, but I am sure you catch my drift.

Perhaps because all states involved probably have an event around the same time that is paying out in catagories?

I'll be back, just not sure if Austin or Dallas.

Q-Dat
12-20-2011, 07:09 PM
Well.........so much for relocating Baton Rouge to New Orleans.

Ford
12-20-2011, 07:20 PM
2 in FL. Tampa is less than an hour and Ocala about 90 minutes. Of course I'll want to have my CCW permit before doing Tampa. And both contests conflict with established FBA events (but the KCBS wouldn't care). I bet both SAMS events fill up down here. I expect I'll do Tampa. It's closer than Tallahassee.

arrowhead
12-20-2011, 07:26 PM
i'm just a judge, but i'm gonna try to sign up for the regional in albuquerque. it's an 11 hour drive, but i'm sure it will be worth it. good luck to everyone.

White Dog BBQ
12-20-2011, 07:32 PM
Really surprised with the date selection for Region 5. The Pittsburgh contest is opposite Bel Air, Medford is opposite New Paltz and Pleasantville is opposite New Jersey. Bel Air, New Paltz and New Holland are 3 of the top contests in the Northeast. I have a feeling Laurel is going to be a bear to get into.

Leatherheadiowa
12-20-2011, 07:45 PM
Looks like they have tweaked some of the rules too. Teams can only register for one local event. I like the new payout schedule. Finally a contest showing a little love to the overall results!

Be nice if we could get some more contests up here in the Northeast, but hey who doesn't like a good road trip?

We all know that the rule about entering one local contest is nearly unenforceable. I appreciate the effort and thought but it just isn't going to do much from a bunch of "new" sprouting up.

JD McGee
12-20-2011, 08:08 PM
Just got the :thumb: from the boss...let's hope we can get a spot for Salt Lake City! :becky:

Looking at the map...there are a lot of teams in the Pacific Northwest that would love to have a local and regional here...the Sam's Club in Seattle would be ideal and would draw from Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and British Columbia.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407501_2982370798731_1245785803_3371171_1465778381 _n.jpg

Slamdunkpro
12-20-2011, 08:53 PM
Really surprised with the date selection for Region 5. The Pittsburgh contest is opposite Bel Air, Medford is opposite New Paltz and Pleasantville is opposite New Jersey. Bel Air, New Paltz and New Holland are 3 of the top contests in the Northeast. I have a feeling Laurel is going to be a bear to get into.

Laurel is the week after Tracy's Landing and the same weekend as Shrewsberry, then the regional is the next weekend in Chesapeake.:crazy:

Smoke'n Ice
12-20-2011, 08:58 PM
We all know that the rule about entering one local contest is nearly unenforceable. I appreciate the effort and thought but it just isn't going to do much from a bunch of "new" sprouting up.

5. Teams are allowed to register for only one local qualifier. In the spirit of fairness, teams are not allowed to compete in more than one local qualifier. A teamís head cook and team members cannot enter the assigned cooking area of another team at another Samís Club contest.If it is determined that a head cook or team member is abusing this rule, both teams will be disqualified.

If you read it the way it is written, head cook or team members can not form a NEW team or be a part of another team for another location.

Slamdunkpro
12-20-2011, 09:13 PM
One thing that annoys me as a region 5'ver is that they get my $250 for 9 months:evil:

Leatherheadiowa
12-20-2011, 09:19 PM
5. Teams are allowed to register for only one local qualifier. In the spirit of fairness, teams are not allowed to compete in more than one local qualifier. A teamís head cook and team members cannot enter the assigned cooking area of another team at another Samís Club contest.If it is determined that a head cook or team member is abusing this rule, both teams will be disqualified.

If you read it the way it is written, head cook or team members can not form a NEW team or be a part of another team for another location.

Thanks, I missed that. :thumb:

jrbBBQ
12-20-2011, 09:31 PM
Just got the :thumb: from the boss...let's hope we can get a spot for Salt Lake City! :becky:

Looking at the map...there are a lot of teams in the Pacific Northwest that would love to have a local and regional here...the Sam's Club in Seattle would be ideal and would draw from Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and British Columbia.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407501_2982370798731_1245785803_3371171_1465778381 _n.jpg
For being a 'National' tour, they sure are leaving out quite a few area's!

bigdogphin
12-20-2011, 09:35 PM
Still nothing in my neck of the woods...as usual...we may look into Salt Lake City...I'll just have to bring my own libations...if you know what I mean...lol!

and then qualify in new mexico. KCBS just gave the Northwest and Nocal a big FU.... We will be skipping this and any further KCBS contests.

huminie
12-20-2011, 09:39 PM
Perhaps because all states involved probably have an event around the same time that is paying out in catagories?

I'll be back, just not sure if Austin or Dallas.

But how many lead to a next event that pays out $20k and then a third round that pays out $150k?

boogiesnap
12-20-2011, 09:51 PM
i'm a clown...sometimes.

where will i find the link to register? sam's site? kcbs's site? where???

Rich Parker
12-20-2011, 09:56 PM
and then qualify in new mexico. KCBS just gave the Northwest and Nocal a big FU.... We will be skipping this and any further KCBS contests.

KCBS from what I have heard doesn't make the decision when and where the contests are held.

dmprantz
12-20-2011, 10:04 PM
I'm sure people know what they are doing, but after looking at the map a bit, I must say I find it curious that for Region 3 there are two Florida locals close together and two Georgia locals close together, but that all of Kentucky, Tennessee, and Alabama are left out completely. That region, along with Region 2, seem to get really odd placement of regionals as well. Now I'm not a marketing genius, nor a seasoned BBQ competition organizer, but it just seems to me that regional championships should attempt to be centrally located within the region, not outliers. Oh well, I'll play the game like every one else!

dmp

bigdogphin
12-20-2011, 11:37 PM
KCBS from what I have heard doesn't make the decision when and where the contests are held.

Then I am also boycotting walmart! KCBS did vote to approve this, so they have a say. Who is looking out for the cooks....? This is far from a National Championship.

swamprb
12-21-2011, 12:05 AM
and then qualify in new mexico. KCBS just gave the Northwest and Nocal a big FU.... We will be skipping this and any further KCBS contests.

2012 the year of more KCBS non qualifiers in the Northwest!

Rookie'48
12-21-2011, 12:38 AM
5. Teams are allowed to register for only one local qualifier. In the spirit of fairness, teams are not allowed to compete in more than one local qualifier. A teamís head cook and team members cannot enter the assigned cooking area of another team at another Samís Club contest.If it is determined that a head cook or team member is abusing this rule, both teams will be disqualified.

If you read it the way it is written, head cook or team members can not form a NEW team or be a part of another team for another location.

Or you could interpret it to say that Team A (Bob) cooks at contest #1 and Team B (Sam) cooks at contest #2. Both teams are one-man shows and they have been neighbors / friends for years. If Bob comes over to comp #2 to visit his friend Sam then they both can get a farkin' DQ even if Bob is only visiting??? :confused:

I really think that this needs some serious clarification before things get out of hand. How many of us have never gone into another team's spot to visit? Any one?

BasicPatrick
12-21-2011, 01:58 AM
No Events in New England...disappointing.

Crash
12-21-2011, 02:26 AM
None in Hawaii either. I bet a lot of cooks would come over to bottom feed if Honolulu had a local event for the west coast region. :idea:

OK, maybe not.:rolleyes:

Best of luck to all.

trueque
12-21-2011, 04:02 AM
Just got the :thumb: from the boss...let's hope we can get a spot for Salt Lake City! :becky:

Looking at the map...there are a lot of teams in the Pacific Northwest that would love to have a local and regional here...the Sam's Club in Seattle would be ideal and would draw from Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Montana, and British Columbia.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407501_2982370798731_1245785803_3371171_1465778381 _n.jpg

Seattle being Costco country may have something (or nothing) to do with it?



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Spydermike72
12-21-2011, 05:18 AM
Not liking locations. Atleast a 7 1/2 hour drive no matter what.


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Are you really 7.5 hours from Detroit or Canton Ohio ??

Big Ugly's BBQ
12-21-2011, 06:50 AM
None in Hawaii either. I bet a lot of cooks would come over to bottom feed if Honolulu had a local event for the west coast region. :idea:

OK, maybe not.:rolleyes:

Best of luck to all.

That's in Pearl City right? Would love to cook in that Sam's parking lot, under cover or up on the second level........:-D:-D

Capn Kev
12-21-2011, 07:47 AM
What's sticks in my craw is that it appears that KCBS did not take into consideration established local events. Just in talking with a few of the cooks here in the Rocky Mountain region, the majority will be traveling to North Platte, NE instead of staying home for the Thornton contest. Regardless, my guess is that, due to the NW and Kansas having little or no qualifiers, that the Thornton, CO Sam's qualifier will be mainly comprised of out-of-towners.

It's sad that they couldn't find a way to make things work for both contests. The North Platte contest is the only contest out here in the month of May, they could have easily found another date.

Good luck to those jumping in on the Sam's contests! :thumb:

Dan - 3eyzbbq
12-21-2011, 08:52 AM
Or you could interpret it to say that Team A (Bob) cooks at contest #1 and Team B (Sam) cooks at contest #2. Both teams are one-man shows and they have been neighbors / friends for years. If Bob comes over to comp #2 to visit his friend Sam then they both can get a farkin' DQ even if Bob is only visiting??? :confused:

I really think that this needs some serious clarification before things get out of hand. How many of us have never gone into another team's spot to visit? Any one?

Only if you step foot in their cooker. At least thats the way I interpret "assigned cooking area" :laugh:

swamprb
12-21-2011, 09:39 AM
Seattle being Costco country may have something (or nothing) to do with it?


You have a valid point. I know of 3 Sam's in WA, and using the store locater it shows 1 in ID, 2 in MT, and 0 in Orygun!

Plus it seems like every community that Wal-Mart plans a store in we have a chit hemorrhage! Not in my backyard!

Utah?? WTF!

Just Pulin' Pork
12-21-2011, 09:57 AM
What I find interesting is the Region #2 final in St Louis is the weekend of the Royal! I see the Royal has not posted a date yet for 2012 but in 2011 it was the weekend of 9-29-11. Could be interesting!

huminie
12-21-2011, 10:01 AM
Good luck to all those who enter. KCBS has made it clear it doesn't want teams from the west coast to play, so I won't be in it this year. It was fun last year, so this is pretty disappointing.

dmprantz
12-21-2011, 10:02 AM
Some one from the Royal told me that the dates were confirmed on their end for 2012 and were the weekend of 10/6. I don't see anything Sam's related scheduled for that weekend. Having a STL comp the weekend before kinda makes sense to me. Teams that are cooking both from that region can take a week off, cook in STL, and then hit The Royal on the way home....unless they are in LA. Though that does kinda make sense, having the regional so far away from the locals is still kinda odd to me.

dmp

Just Pulin' Pork
12-21-2011, 10:07 AM
Some one from the Royal told me that the dates were confirmed on their end for 2012 and were the weekend of 10/6. I don't see anything Sam's related scheduled for that weekend. Having a STL comp the weekend before kinda makes sense to me. Teams that are cooking both from that region can take a week off, cook in STL, and then hit The Royal on the way home....unless they are in LA. Though that does kinda make sense, having the regional so far away from the locals is still kinda odd to me.

dmp

I just saw that on another BBQ site on the interweb! I was so hoping they would not take a contest of this magnitude and put it up against the Royal.

Full Draw BBQ
12-21-2011, 10:37 AM
I'm surprised and dissappointed that we can't register and compete in more than one contest. We competed last year in Austin and had a great time with a well run contest, and would compete in Austin and Dallas this year if it were allowed. I was hoping that a rule to keep a team from qualifying for the regional contest once, then competing again and taking another "qualifying" slot.....but not forcing you to compete in only one local.

Candy Sue
12-21-2011, 10:49 AM
None in Hawaii either. I bet a lot of cooks would come over to bottom feed if Honolulu had a local event for the west coast region. :idea:

OK, maybe not.:rolleyes:

Best of luck to all.

There's an IBCA event on the Big Island over July 4th! I'm saving my money. Joining up with the better half of another cooking team and we'll be "Wild Hula Delight". Instead of aprons--grass skirts.

Candy Sue
12-21-2011, 10:51 AM
I just saw that on another BBQ site on the interweb! I was so hoping they would not take a contest of this magnitude and put it up against the Royal.

HUH??? Which Sam's contest is 10/5-7?

Muzzlebrake
12-21-2011, 10:54 AM
Region 5 is now showing the corrected location of Pleasantville, NJ the same weekend of New Holland. That's going to suck for a lot of people.

SCSmoke
12-21-2011, 11:23 AM
I like the idea of one entry per team. It in essence makes it a single elimination tournament. Some teams don't have the ability to make to more than one qualifier due to distance, finance or whatever. Now it allows them to be on an even playing field. IMHO

Meat@Slim's
12-21-2011, 11:31 AM
Wow! A lot of displeasure out there.

I, for one (of many I am sure), am thrilled to see KCBS grow and have an extra half-million dollars in the 2012 prize pool.

Would we have this opportunity if there was no KCBS?

Will it grow again next year?

I did not participate in Sam's Club in 2011 for a variety of reasons. I certainly enjoyed watching how it unfolded and pulling for my friends.

In 2012 I plan to put my hat in the ring.

I've got to say that I don't see how you can put together a series of contests of this magnitude without impacting some other contests. While this is a problem on some levels it is also extremely exciting to be part of something that is experiencing such growth and enthusiasm from festivals that are willing to deal with the logistical challenges of hosting us, to corporations willing to put up serious sponsorship/prize money to the folks coming out of the woodwork to join us as competitors, judges and spectators.

Good luck to everyone trying to land a spot in the series!

Rich Parker
12-21-2011, 11:36 AM
Then I am also boycotting walmart! KCBS did vote to approve this, so they have a say. Who is looking out for the cooks....? This is far from a National Championship.

Good luck to all those who enter. KCBS has made it clear it doesn't want teams from the west coast to play, so I won't be in it this year. It was fun last year, so this is pretty disappointing.

It is to bad that your areas weren't included but do you really think it is appropriate for KCBS (a sanctioning body) to tell an organizer or sponsor that you should have a contest in this location at this time? I just don't think it is the place of the sanctioning body to do that.

dmprantz
12-21-2011, 11:47 AM
do you really think it is appropriate for KCBS (a sanctioning body) to tell an organizer or sponsor that you should have a contest in this location at this time?

Don't the already do this? I mean, they don't tell organizers when to hold events, but they will refuse to sanction events if they don't like the scheduling of them (Contests close by, team density, etc).

dmp

Rich Parker
12-21-2011, 11:59 AM
Don't the already do this? I mean, they don't tell organizers when to hold events, but they will refuse to sanction events if they don't like the scheduling of them (Contests close by, team density, etc).

dmp

In the context of this thread, I was addressing that KCBS shouldn't be telling Sam's to add or move a contest to an area that doesn't have one if it meets the sanctioning guidelines.

dmprantz
12-21-2011, 12:09 PM
KCBS shouldn't be telling Sam's to add or move a contest to an area that doesn't have one if it meets the sanctioning guidelines.

I don't know that I agree with this. In the normal case, sure it's not KCBS' business to schedule events, only to approve/disapprove. Much like Smoke on the Water and the ill-fated Taste of Country, the series has an organizer whose responsibillity is to organize. In this case, at least to a certain extent, Sam's is unique. The series is specially planned and organized by the KCBS and/or MMA directly. Sure WalMart has a big part of it, and a Director is assigned to each event, the fact that this series is advertised as a KCBS organized event makes me think they should try to have an active role in organizing the best event possible.

That all said, I understand that there are conflict of iterest issues, and MMA may be handling certain aspects seperate from KCBS, and also that although KCBS is the 800 lb gorilla in the BBQ world, WalMart is the 8 million pound gorilla in the retail and money world.

dmp

Capn Kev
12-21-2011, 12:25 PM
I've got to say that I don't see how you can put together a series of contests of this magnitude without impacting some other contests.

I respectfully disagree. With only 1 confirmed KCBS-sanctioned contest (North Platte, NE) for April and May of 2012 within a 250 mile radius of Denver... I think it would have been relatively easy to confirm a date other than May 5th for the Denver area qualifier. As it sits now, 35 or so teams will have to make a decision on where to compete. Hence, sacrificing regional draw for a competition that has been rolling with 40-50 teams for several years. Last year, the Sam's qualifier was held the last week in April... no conflict.

Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the fact that there are additional competitive opportunities for us, thanks to KCBS. However, those opportunities should not plunder from existing comps.

Maybe 2013 I'll throw my hat in the Sam's ring. Until then, good luck to all!

roksmith
12-21-2011, 12:25 PM
I'm glad they moved things around this year. There was a local qualifier close enough to us on our date last year that it pulled several teams from us.. This year our local event is only 2 hours away from and 2 weeks before the Canton event. May actually help us this year. Teams wanting to qualify thru Canton can get a trial run at our event with what should be a similar judges pool.

I also actually like the one entry period rule. didn't seem fair for some of the teams to get multiple shots to qualify.

Rich Parker
12-21-2011, 12:38 PM
I don't know that I agree with this. In the normal case, sure it's not KCBS' business to schedule events, only to approve/disapprove. Much like Smoke on the Water and the ill-fated Taste of Country, the series has an organizer whose responsibillity is to organize. In this case, at least to a certain extent, Sam's is unique. The series is specially planned and organized by the KCBS and/or MMA directly. Sure WalMart has a big part of it, and a Director is assigned to each event, the fact that this series is advertised as a KCBS organized event makes me think they should try to have an active role in organizing the best event possible.

That all said, I understand that there are conflict of iterest issues, and MMA may be handling certain aspects seperate from KCBS, and also that although KCBS is the 800 lb gorilla in the BBQ world, WalMart is the 8 million pound gorilla in the retail and money world.

dmp

The organizer role for this series the way I seen it was more hand holding than actually organizing which I think is totally different than what real contest organizers do. Real contest organizers have to find sponsors, venue, money, teams, and judges just to name a few. I don't want KCBS telling real organizers that they should move to another venue because they said so.

dmprantz
12-21-2011, 01:04 PM
I don't want KCBS telling real organizers that they should move to another venue because they said so.

We may or may not be saying the same thing. I agree with your above statement when the KCBS is acting as a sanctioning body only. With the Sam's Club series, which is organized and hosted (at least in part) by the KCBS directly, I think that the KCBS could have taken a more active role than in other situations.

dmp

huminie
12-21-2011, 01:07 PM
It is to bad that your areas weren't included but do you really think it is appropriate for KCBS (a sanctioning body) to tell an organizer or sponsor that you should have a contest in this location at this time? I just don't think it is the place of the sanctioning body to do that.

In a normal scenario, no. But the "Sam's Club National BBQ Tour" is more than just a normal single contest. This is a joint venture between KCBS and Sam's Club to promote each of their entities and KCBS is clearly advising the folks at Wal-Mart/Sam's.

I am just saying I am disappointed. I liked the contest last year as the event was "only" 3 hours from where I live. This year I won't be able to compete because they have chosen not to include an event in NorCal. That is their right, but it is also my right to voice my displeasure.

JD McGee
12-21-2011, 01:18 PM
I have no idea what Sam's club uses as a demographic / reason for choosing their locations but not having a strong KCBS presence in the Pacific Northwest may have a lot to do with it. I wonder if Sam's is partnered with KCBS as the "sole" sanctioning body...if not they could use local BBQ associations such as our own PNWBA for future events up here. I know for a fact they would have no problems drawing enough teams.

Full Draw BBQ
12-21-2011, 01:29 PM
I don't think they will sell out this year because of the "one contest per team" rule. Last year they had trouble selling out a few, and that was with a bunch of teams competing in multiple contests across the country. Take all of those away, along with the $250 that some teams had a hard time with last year, not that much more $$$ being paid out on a team by team basis, and conflicts with other contests, and I think they have hurt themselves by not allowing a team to compete in any contest or as many as they want. If Smokin' Triggers wanted to compete in a contest every weekend and 1/3 of them are Sam's KCBS, so be it......(and they competed in several last year) Yes a bunch of the locals had waiting lists, but a lot of the teams on them were trying to get in multiple contests to add to their chances.

AZScott
12-21-2011, 02:18 PM
Man, Sam's Club really kicked up the prize money and are paying much deeper at the contests. That is great! I think instead of criticizing the fact that all of the competitions aren't "close" to us or they will interfere with other contests we should applaud the fact that there is a sponsor that's willing to go in big time for competition BBQ and that KCBS is on board helping to make it happen. Sam's and KCBS made many financial and rule improvements over the series last year and I believe they are definitely going in the right direction.

Sledneck
12-21-2011, 03:59 PM
Only top 6 go from each local then 10 from each regional. I figured with more events they would of raised those numbers

Rich Parker
12-21-2011, 04:05 PM
In a normal scenario, no. But the "Sam's Club National BBQ Tour" is more than just a normal single contest. This is a joint venture between KCBS and Sam's Club to promote each of their entities and KCBS is clearly advising the folks at Wal-Mart/Sam's.

I am just saying I am disappointed. I liked the contest last year as the event was "only" 3 hours from where I live. This year I won't be able to compete because they have chosen not to include an event in NorCal. That is their right, but it is also my right to voice my displeasure.

I am not saying you shouldn't be upset or that you shouldn't voice your opinion just that I think it is pointed in the wrong direction.

dmprantz
12-21-2011, 04:25 PM
Only top 6 go from each local then 10 from each regional. I figured with more events they would of raised those numbers

Last year there were only 20 locals going to 5 regionals. Not all regions had 5 locals. In some regions you had top 6 moving on, in some you had top 9 I think or top 8 and a region wide wild card. Depending on which region you competed for your local, you had a better chance of making it on to the regional. By increasing the local count to 25, they can ensure that there are exactly 5 locals in each region so exactly 6 move on from each local. Not as much advantage in some areas.

The above is what makes sense to me and the way I would have done it and the way I would enterpret the changes. No one has actually explained to me that these are the reasons why this is true.

dmp

Jorge
12-21-2011, 04:48 PM
I've only had time to glance at the schedule, map, and rules but it looks like they made some improvements. They tightened up what some perceived to be a loophole with multiple contests for one team. Contests seem to be a little more spread out glancing at the map. The payouts go deeper and there is potentially more return on the investment that teams make. Steps in the right direction for a second year series.

As far as locations go, Sam's is writing a pretty big check and deserves to have a voice. Last year I had friends from Kansas City spend the night going to and from Conroe Texas. I had another friend spend time here in DFW before cooking Austin. Some folks are willing to travel if it fits their schedule. The payout at the end is big, and for some it's worth the expense to have the opportunity to qualify. Everybody can't be happy, ALL of the time.

Mike - CSBBBQ
12-21-2011, 04:50 PM
I'm happy Sam's is doing it again this year. It would be difficult to not upset folks when selecting locations and I'm bummed about conflicts with other great comps. Laurel (15 minutes from the house) is the same weekend as Hedgesville, WV which has been an auto the last several years. Trying to look at the bright side that it is back again this year. We are blessed with several choices within a reasonable drive. Good luck to everyone who competes!

Smokedelic
12-21-2011, 05:04 PM
Nice to see this thread taking a more positive turn.:becky: I am thankful that Sam's is ponying up for another year, and I appreciate how difficult the task is to select locations and dates without disappointing a few people. I would bet the decisions that were made as to "where/when" weren't nearly as personal as some of you are taking them.

We were fortunate enough to make it all the way to B'ville last year and look forward to having the opportunity to do so again this year.

Bigmista
12-21-2011, 06:25 PM
It is personal! Sam's did everything just to piss of me! ME, ME, ME!!!!

JD McGee
12-21-2011, 06:46 PM
It is personal! Sam's did everything just to piss of me! ME, ME, ME!!!!

You're two hours away from San Diego...what are you bitchin' about? :twisted::boxing::laugh:

bigdogphin
12-21-2011, 07:00 PM
You have a valid point. I know of 3 Sam's in WA, and using the store locater it shows 1 in ID, 2 in MT, and 0 in Orygun!

Plus it seems like every community that Wal-Mart plans a store in we have a chit hemorrhage! Not in my backyard!

Utah?? WTF!

Perfect reason to hold a contest up here to show communities they are more than a store. You know we have the cooks. this area is starved for BBQ

It is to bad that your areas weren't included but do you really think it is appropriate for KCBS (a sanctioning body) to tell an organizer or sponsor that you should have a contest in this location at this time? I just don't think it is the place of the sanctioning body to do that. I understand the organizer has the say but KCBS is a partner in this and they can make suggestions. Can anyone tell me if they even thought about a contest in the northwest or what the reason was for moving from Sacramento? If you want a national contest it should be represented by all areas like the Jack and Royal are. Instead it figures to be a 3/4 national championship.

I've only had time to glance at the schedule, map, and rules but it looks like they made some improvements. They tightened up what some perceived to be a loophole with multiple contests for one team. Contests seem to be a little more spread out glancing at the map. The payouts go deeper and there is potentially more return on the investment that teams make. Steps in the right direction for a second year series.

As far as locations go, Sam's is writing a pretty big check and deserves to have a voice. Last year I had friends from Kansas City spend the night going to and from Conroe Texas. I had another friend spend time here in DFW before cooking Austin. Some folks are willing to travel if it fits their schedule. The payout at the end is big, and for some it's worth the expense to have the opportunity to qualify. Everybody can't be happy, ALL of the time.

I agree that the contest is better from that stand point but it is still nearly an impossible dream for an average joe team from the west! 2400 miles and thats not even to the finals. I would have considered it if the next one wasn't in NM. If there ever is one you are welcome to stay at my house for the world BBQ championship in Kirkland.

Uncle T
12-21-2011, 07:13 PM
better chunk another log on, I think the fires goin low..

White Dog BBQ
12-21-2011, 09:17 PM
I don't think they will sell out this year because of the "one contest per team" rule. Last year they had trouble selling out a few, and that was with a bunch of teams competing in multiple contests across the country. Take all of those away, along with the $250 that some teams had a hard time with last year, not that much more $$$ being paid out on a team by team basis, and conflicts with other contests, and I think they have hurt themselves by not allowing a team to compete in any contest or as many as they want. If Smokin' Triggers wanted to compete in a contest every weekend and 1/3 of them are Sam's KCBS, so be it......(and they competed in several last year) Yes a bunch of the locals had waiting lists, but a lot of the teams on them were trying to get in multiple contests to add to their chances.

I don't know about that -- around here, there are a lot of popular contests paying out a lot less than $10,000, but have a lot more teams. Only 30 teams with $10,000 on the line? Seems decent to me.

I wish they didn't conflict with some major events around here, but the fact that Sam's is now putting up $500,000 for a BBQ series is pretty darn cool.

trueque
12-22-2011, 12:04 AM
I was in last year and will be again this year. I choose to drive the 4 to 8 hours for a "local" event for a chance to compete regionally 10 miles from my house here in St. Louis. Odd the way things work out sometimes, but I do appreciate the $500,000 tournament SAMs is sponsoring!

Crash
12-22-2011, 12:39 AM
That's in Pearl City right? Would love to cook in that Sam's parking lot, under cover or up on the second level........:-D:-D

There's also one in Waikiki now...by Ala Moana. Same type of parking structure, minus the roof parking.

Crash
12-22-2011, 12:45 AM
There's an IBCA event on the Big Island over July 4th! I'm saving my money. Joining up with the better half of another cooking team and we'll be "Wild Hula Delight". Instead of aprons--grass skirts.
There sure is Candy Sue. Unfortunately for us, it costs close to 2k to float our gear over and pay for airfare, rooms, auto etc. The fact that there were also less than the 15 needed teams for the Auto-Jack turned us off to that event.

Well, we all know what happened at that 10 team event after the smoke cleared. :tsk:

Crash
12-22-2011, 01:22 AM
KCBS has made it clear it doesn't want teams from the west coast to play, so I won't be in it this year.

With all due respect, I don't get this statement. It seems to me that the west coast is well represented with contests in CA, AZ, NV, UT and CO. All of these states are considered "West Coast", with only CA truly being on the coast.

Now the Pacific Northwest, yeah..... that's a bummer for those folks.

Capn Kev
12-22-2011, 08:40 AM
If CO is part of the West Coast, then all I have to say is... "where's the beach?"!!! :becky: All I'm seeing now is 14 inches of snow on my driveway this morning :shocked:

huminie
12-22-2011, 09:56 AM
With all due respect, I don't get this statement. It seems to me that the west coast is well represented with contests in CA, AZ, NV, UT and CO. All of these states are considered "West Coast", with only CA truly being on the coast.

Now the Pacific Northwest, yeah..... that's a bummer for those folks.


The West Coast is Washington, Oregon and California. The only event is in San Diego which is practically Mexico. It will only draw teams from one small region (SoCal), and with the "Regional" being all the way in New Mexico on the same day as a very attractive contest in Long Beach the teams in that area will need to make a tough choice.

Last year they had a contest in Sacramento and it drew some teams from the PNW. There are some great teams up there that are hungry for this sort of thing. Now they will have to go to UT and then NM. I certainly wouldn't do it.

MoKanMeathead
12-22-2011, 10:14 AM
For those of you that don't like the way the SAM's clup contests are run...there is a perfect solution...

I think the whole tournament style series added a lot to BBQ last year and look forward to it again this year. On the surface it appears that "they" (not sure if that is SAM's or KCBS or MMA) listened to many of the critiques from last year. I still don't like only getting 20 amps of electric - seems to draw out the generators but I can live with that.

Looking forward to throwing our hat in the ring again this year...assuming we can get in on January 18th. Anyone know if that time is am or pm???

dmprantz
12-22-2011, 10:19 AM
Website said PM last I checked.

dmprantz
12-22-2011, 12:59 PM
I may have come off a little bit "off" in my last comments about the series. Being in the Southeast, I'm actually in pretty good shape with the closest local being about as far away as it was last year, and the regional being local to me should I get that far. I appreciate the rules changes, the increase in the number of local competitions, and the new payout structure. I question a few of the logistical decisions only as far as I ask them out loud, but am not planning a boycott campaign around them. I know how to vote with my entry fees, and if I am able to register for one close to me, I'll compete. If not, I won't be driving cross country to be a part of it. For all of those who do get in, I hope you have a great time! Hopefully this will succeed and be even bigger and better next year! In the end, it's great for the sport.

dmp

TooSaucedToPork
12-22-2011, 05:17 PM
A FEW QUESTIONS
Registration Rules and Regulations


3. To ensure fairness for all KCBS teams, a registration period will start Jan. 18 at 8:00 EST. All local contests will be open for registration during this time. Registration will remain open for each event until 30 competing spots are confirmed for each 25 local qualifiers and the wait list of 10 teams is full. Registration will then close for that event.

So do teams have to have a KCBS membership number this year? We tried to enter last year but were NOT ALLOWED to b/c we didnít have our number handy. Last year every other contest in KCBS you donít have to be a member, but this one you didÖSo anyone know?

All registrations will be handled online. Each contest will have an indicator that shows how many teams have applied for that contest, and it will also have an indicator to show how many teams have been confirmed. Confirmation will occur after teams have registered online and then made payment via credit card to the KCBS office. Once a contest has all 30 teams filled and confirmed, the names of the teams for that event will be made public via the KCBS web site. Team names will NOT be released until a full field in each contest has been achieved.

Are they going to add extra bandwith? Last year was horrible.

5. Teams are allowed to register for only one local qualifier. In the spirit of fairness, teams are not allowed to compete in more than one local qualifier. A teamís head cook and team members cannot enter the assigned cooking area of another team at another Samís Club contest.If it is determined that a head cook or team member is abusing this rule, both teams will be disqualified.

This absolutely KILLS the brotherhood of this sport. There needs to be clarification on this. We are all friends here, and not allowing friends into your booth is ridiculous.

8. If your team qualifies for a Regional Event, the Head Cook that was registered at your qualifying event must be in attendance at the Regional Event. If your team qualifies to go to the National Event, the Head Cook that was registered at the Local and Regional Events must be in attendance at the National Event. If he/she is not in attendance, your team will be disqualified. (Passed by KCBS Board on March 23, 2011).

Sweet, so this ďteamĒ event is actually not a ďteamĒ event at all. If the person I put as my head cook is sick, or has work, or has a planned vacation, or has a wedding, or is deadÖwe are disqualified. Well at least if they are dead I can bring their ashes, and they will physically be there. ;-)

Can you drink this year?
ÖIf I recall last year no booze was allowed.

On-Site Rules and Regulations
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8. Pits must be clean.
Who defines thisÖif my pit has seasoning on it they will disqualify me??? This also needs clarification.

dmprantz
12-22-2011, 05:35 PM
membership number this year? We tried to enter last year but were NOT ALLOWED to b/c we didn’t have our number handy. Last year every other contest in KCBS you don’t have to be a member, but this one you did…So anyone know?


From http://kcbs.us/news.php?id=441

When preparing to register, be sure to have your team name, KCBS member number (6-digits) and method of payment ready before registering. If you are not a KCBS member, you can join today by clicking here (http://kcbs.us/join.php). If you have a PayPal account, also have your member ID and password ready.I take that to mean KCBS members only.

If the person I put as my head cook is sick, or has work, or has a planned vacation, or has a wedding, or is dead…we are disqualified.

For better or for worse, the same is true for the American Royal as far as I can tell. No head cook, no team. At least it's consistent, eh?

Can you drink this year?
…If I recall last year no booze was allowed.


Drinking was not an issue last year, and I seem to recall they even changed the rules to allow it. The Red Cup Rule was in effect, and every one was expected to be responsible. SOS.


8. Pits must be clean.
Who defines this…if my pit has seasoning on it they will disqualify me??? This also needs clarification.

This was discussed a lot last year. At the local event where I was, no pits were inspected, though I did clean my pit before the event (and break a temp probe in the process). I think like several of the rules, this is subjective and more for CMA.

The best advice I can give you is to try to sign up. When the event gets closer, a "director" will be assigned and will eMail you, soliciting any questions. eMail that director and ask your questions then. Only that person can best answer your questions. Any one here will be guessing. If you do have to pull out, it was a $25 cancelation fee last year, not the end of the world.

dmp

JD McGee
12-22-2011, 05:58 PM
The West Coast is Washington, Oregon and California. The only event is in San Diego which is practically Mexico. It will only draw teams from one small region (SoCal), and with the "Regional" being all the way in New Mexico on the same day as a very attractive contest in Long Beach the teams in that area will need to make a tough choice.

Last year they had a contest in Sacramento and it drew some teams from the PNW. There are some great teams up there that are hungry for this sort of thing. Now they will have to go to UT and then NM. I certainly wouldn't do it.

Yeah...but we're kinda sick like that! lol! See ya in Salt Lake City folks! :becky:

Smoke'n Ice
12-22-2011, 07:30 PM
I recently had an opportunity to do some "activations" for a national brand in the DFW area. Had I have been the one doing the choosing of locations, it would have been a whole lot different. Even the marketing company, Trybe, did not have any sway in the selection process. We all went with the flow. I believe that the Sam's Club events fall under the same, questionable to us, marketing ideas. The folks who pay the money, have an inhouse marketing team whose job is to select the date, time and location and this is based on what appears to us as MOJO.

The Dallas location is somewhat south and closer to Duncanville than Dallas and the demographics are interesting. I was surprised that this store was selected but what do I know. This may be the only store that the manager said he did not really care. I will attempt to get into this event even knowing that the regional is quite a few hundred miles north and east.

Certifed judges in the this area will be mostly cooks as most of us have taken the class to improve our cooking. Otherwise, it will be jo blow off the street having a free meal.

I hope the security is good as the last time I did an activation in the area, most of the local police department was dealing with an incident at the Wally World and the fire department was dealing with car fires in the parking lot.

Sylvie
12-22-2011, 10:04 PM
The West Coast is Washington, Oregon and California. The only event is in San Diego which is practically Mexico. It will only draw teams from one small region (SoCal), and with the "Regional" being all the way in New Mexico on the same day as a very attractive contest in Long Beach the teams in that area will need to make a tough choice.

Last year they had a contest in Sacramento and it drew some teams from the PNW. There are some great teams up there that are hungry for this sort of thing. Now they will have to go to UT and then NM. I certainly wouldn't do it.
Last year the closest local event to the SoCal area was Gilbert,AZ. That was a 6-7 hour drive from Los Angeles. Sacramento was a 9 hour drive. I know of three teams from SoCal area who competed in Sacramento.

San Diego will draw from AZ as well as SoCal which I'll define as far north as Bakersfield. I was very happy with San Diego as it is less than 2 hours from me. Vegas is only 4 hours.

If you decide to enter the series with the intention to drive to Arkansas for the finals, then a couple of popular local events on the same date as a regional may have to wait til the next year.

I love having the choice.

Full Draw BBQ
12-23-2011, 08:08 AM
I recently had an opportunity to do some "activations" for a national brand in the DFW area. Had I have been the one doing the choosing of locations, it would have been a whole lot different. Even the marketing company, Trybe, did not have any sway in the selection process. We all went with the flow. I believe that the Sam's Club events fall under the same, questionable to us, marketing ideas. The folks who pay the money, have an inhouse marketing team whose job is to select the date, time and location and this is based on what appears to us as MOJO.

The Dallas location is somewhat south and closer to Duncanville than Dallas and the demographics are interesting. I was surprised that this store was selected but what do I know. This may be the only store that the manager said he did not really care. I will attempt to get into this event even knowing that the regional is quite a few hundred miles north and east.

Certifed judges in the this area will be mostly cooks as most of us have taken the class to improve our cooking. Otherwise, it will be jo blow off the street having a free meal.

I hope the security is good as the last time I did an activation in the area, most of the local police department was dealing with an incident at the Wally World and the fire department was dealing with car fires in the parking lot.


We will be trying to get into the Austin contest for this very reason. The Dallas location is in a really rough part of town, and we have competed in the area before.......not again. So I'll be driving past that Sam's, and heading 3 hours South for my local.

boogiesnap
12-23-2011, 08:55 AM
is this the page that will become active with links to register?

http://kcbs.us/sams-club-series.php

Jorge
12-23-2011, 10:01 AM
Having had a little time to look at the schedule a little more, I'll toss out another positive. Many teams that will have qualified for the final event will likely be qualified for the Royal as well. They have the reasonable option to find a place to store their equipment after the Royal, and pick it up for the shorter (in many cases) drive to Bentonville. The Regional the week before the Royal also lends itself to this option for those that would have to travel to potentially do all three. Whether it was by accident or not, there are some reasonable options there.

sitnfat
12-23-2011, 03:49 PM
on the drinking part, while you could red cup it at locals and regionals with little problem Bentonville is different. Because red cups are so obvious the wanted the alcohol to be in a cup with a lid!!! cause that isnt obvious.

Slamdunkpro
12-23-2011, 04:18 PM
5. Teams are allowed to register for only one local qualifier. In the spirit of fairness, teams are not allowed to compete in more than one local qualifier. A teamís head cook and team members cannot enter the assigned cooking area of another team at another Samís Club contest.If it is determined that a head cook or team member is abusing this rule, both teams will be disqualified. I'm curious how they're going to control / enforce this. Is every team member going to have to register or will teams have to provide a roster? Consider this train wreck scenario:


I have a part time team member "Sam" and he cooks with me at an preliminary where we qualify for the regional.
Sam then on his own without my knowledge goes and cooks with another buddy at another preliminary event where they qualify for the same regional.
At the regional Sam's cooking with (either one of us). We all run into each other at the cook's meeting and an official overhears Sam say "Yeah, I cooked with SDP at #12 but I decided to cook with Bongo at #15 and the regional."
The official runs over and tell us that that's against the rules. Bongo & my response is "Huh? he did? He didn't tell me he was cooking with someone else".

BKBBQ
12-23-2011, 04:50 PM
my team is lang bbq smokers.we have been cooking for ben for most of the year and it looks good for next year also.a friend of mine likes cooking with us and is a hell of a brisket cook so we partnered up for two sams events last year orlando and greensboro.after the initial registration period was over and a few weeks before the greensboro event several teams dropped out and we entered the event for a second chance.no problem last year but will be different this year according to rules changes.this year he wants to enter the greensboro event under his own team name so i guess i cant let him cook with us this year if he plans on entering another sams event.rules are rules but its taking some of the fun out of it.

Smoke'n Ice
12-23-2011, 06:08 PM
I'm curious how they're going to control / enforce this. Is every team member going to have to register or will teams have to provide a roster? Consider this train wreck scenario:


I have a part time team member "Sam" and he cooks with me at an preliminary where we qualify for the regional.
Sam then on his own without my knowledge goes and cooks with another buddy at another preliminary event where they qualify for the same regional.
At the regional Sam's cooking with (either one of us). We all run into each other at the cook's meeting and an official overhears Sam say "Yeah, I cooked with SDP at #12 but I decided to cook with Bongo at #15 and the regional."
The official runs over and tell us that that's against the rules. Bongo & my response is "Huh? he did? He didn't tell me he was cooking with someone else".

You really need to take control of your team members :heh:

Bentley
12-23-2011, 06:41 PM
Registration for the Samís Club National BBQ Tour will begin on January 18, 2012, at 8PM EST.

It was 11am EST last year I believe...Can I trust that it is going to be in the evening this year and not morning?

Sauced!
12-23-2011, 07:54 PM
Registration for the Samís Club National BBQ Tour will begin on January 18, 2012, at 8PM EST.

It was 11am EST last year I believe...Can I trust that it is going to be in the evening this year and not morning?

It happened at 11 last year just like they said, no? Then why would you question it this year. They said its going to be 8pm so there's no reason to think it wont be 8pm!

Bentley
12-23-2011, 10:40 PM
It happened at 11 last year just like they said, no? Then why would you question it this year. They said its going to be 8pm so there's no reason to think it wont be 8pm!


Maybe because they said a contest was gonna be in XYZ, PA and now I believe it is XYZ, NJ...Thats why I question it.

ParkAvenue_2
12-24-2011, 11:42 AM
I'm surprised and dissappointed that we can't register and compete in more than one contest. We competed last year in Austin and had a great time with a well run contest, and would compete in Austin and Dallas this year if it were allowed. I was hoping that a rule to keep a team from qualifying for the regional contest once, then competing again and taking another "qualifying" slot.....but not forcing you to compete in only one local.

I think the format of only allowing each team to enter one local makes sense. If it is truly going to be considered a tournament, then everybody should get one shot to advance, otherwise, it isn't really a tournament.

Sauced!
12-24-2011, 05:41 PM
Maybe because they said a contest was gonna be in XYZ, PA and now I believe it is XYZ, NJ...Thats why I question it.

Ok. Sounds more like you looking for something to complain about.

MuleTuf
12-27-2011, 07:49 AM
I think the format of only allowing each team to enter one local makes sense. If it is truly going to be considered a tournament, then everybody should get one shot to advance, otherwise, it isn't really a tournament.
Correct! it's not double elimination. :thumb:

Rick Hamilton
12-27-2011, 08:52 AM
Having had a little time to look at the schedule a little more, I'll toss out another positive. Many teams that will have qualified for the final event will likely be qualified for the Royal as well. They have the reasonable option to find a place to store their equipment after the Royal, and pick it up for the shorter (in many cases) drive to Bentonville. The Regional the week before the Royal also lends itself to this option for those that would have to travel to potentially do all three. Whether it was by accident or not, there are some reasonable options there.

Sounds good if you have the ability take all that time off from work/family and can plan on doing both. However the way the schedule looks the Region 2, 3, and 5 regionals are after the deadline to put in application for the Royal. Last year the Royal folks were not open to sending in payments and then being able to cancel. So if I understand it right lets say I get lucky enough to win a GC this year so can do AR Invitational. Then I get lucky enough to make it to a regional for the Sams but that contest isn't until 9/29. I either have to take the chance and send the money to the Royal prior to their deadline and choose not to cook Bentonville or pass on the Royal and hope I make it to Bentonville.

Am I figuring this correct or no?

Smokedelic
12-27-2011, 10:10 PM
Am I figuring this correct or no?

I believe the 2012 Royal is 10/5-10/7.

Rick Hamilton
12-28-2011, 06:46 AM
I believe the 2012 Royal is 10/5-10/7.

Right...first weekend in October. But you have to have your entry in way earlier than that.

bbqbrad
12-28-2011, 07:10 AM
Correct! it's not double elimination. :thumb:

Agree. The only thing I am disappointed in is the new rule that a person who competes in one cannot compete in another. I'm not talking about whole teams. I have my own team, and decided to enter this year. But last season I helped another team who needed members. I've already been asked to help again this year in a SAMS by that team. So by being a helper on my friend's team, my personal team cannot cook. I understand the reasoning behind the rule is to stop teams from entering multiple events under different names (I did see this last year). But now one of these teams is going to not get the chance to enter. And the intent is not to cheat, but to have fun competing. My team was excited about this comp. But since I told team 1 I would do it, I'm committed to them. Wish they would change the rule to say two people instead of one.

roksmith
12-28-2011, 07:22 AM
Right...first weekend in October. But you have to have your entry in way earlier than that.

Wouldn't it take the same amount of time off to compete in both events regardless of when they were scheduled? The main difficulty in competing across the country from your home isn't getting to and from the competition, it's getting the equipment there. With the events being on consecutive weekends, it would appear, as Jorge pointed out, that it would be easier for you should you decide to compete in both, to compete at the Royal, then leave you equipment there somewhere and pick it up again on the way to Bentonville.
We had a similar situation last year, except that it was more of a conflict. There was a competition near home that was on the same date as the Sam's finals. Had we advanced out of the regionals, we would have had to skip the local contest we had already paid for in order to go to Bentonville.
We decided to go ahead and pay for the local event and consider the money a donation if we happened to make the finals.
In your case, the decision would be easier since there is no direct date conflict.

Jorge
12-28-2011, 07:51 AM
Right...first weekend in October. But you have to have your entry in way earlier than that.

Yes, and no. If you only cook the Invitational I think you technically could have until the first of September.

I understand your point though. Some people are faced with some tough choices. I was last year. I did the Royal contests with Smoke on Wheels, and I'd told Andy that I wasn't planning to travel to the Jack if he was drawn. Well he was drawn, against the odds, and I changed my mind. The last week in September my wife had to go to Hawaii for business and had one night in Waikiki comped. Cheap, and that's a relative term, vacation to Hawaii for 4-5 days. I left for Kansas city within 24 hours of returning home.

I didn't have the time to spend 15 days on vacation and BBQ within a 30 day span, but I managed it. I had a lot of conversations with teams that could reasonably expect a chance to cook all three. Bentonville, the Royal, and the Jack. Everyone agreed that it would be a good problem to have. It worked out pretty well for Tippy Canoe, batting .500 in the 4 contests. If you find yourself having to make those tough decisions...congratulations because you've had a good year!:becky:

JD McGee
12-28-2011, 01:14 PM
We have to make some serious decisions early on about where we will cook outside the Pacific Northwest because of all the travel time involved in cooking the big contests back east. We decided to try the Sam's club tour this year and depending on how well we do will dictate our season end. If we do well enough in the local and regional to advance to the final then Bentonville will be our last trip back east. If we get knocked out we will then cook the American Royal Open (hopefully the Invitational as well if we can scrounge up a GC somewhere). We were fortunate enough last year to be invited to cook The Jack and should we have the same fortune this year have decided to not cook it in lieu of the Royal...we do not have enough vacation time or money to do both. Good luck to all and in making some tough choices...hope to see you out there this season!
Cheers!
JD & Rhana

INmitch
12-28-2011, 01:56 PM
Agree. The only thing I am disappointed in is the new rule that a person who competes in one cannot compete in another. I'm not talking about whole teams. I have my own team, and decided to enter this year. But last season I helped another team who needed members. I've already been asked to help again this year in a SAMS by that team. So by being a helper on my friend's team, my personal team cannot cook. I understand the reasoning behind the rule is to stop teams from entering multiple events under different names (I did see this last year). But now one of these teams is going to not get the chance to enter. And the intent is not to cheat, but to have fun competing. My team was excited about this comp. But since I told team 1 I would do it, I'm committed to them. Wish they would change the rule to say two people instead of one.
I think you may be reading more into the rules than is there. I can't see them not letting you be a helper (not head cook) for another team and then compete with your own team as head cook. Unless the 2 teams are actually one in the same. This is just my opinion. I'm probably full of it but I'd make some calls before I'd give up your own team.

roksmith
12-28-2011, 03:06 PM
Not sure if it's what they were shooting for, but it sure sounds like if you are either a head cook or a team member, you cannot cook with any other team. A team is a team and a person cannot be a part of two teams for Sam's club purposes.
Not sure if I like it or not, but I think that was what they had in mind.

Pack-A-Smokes
12-29-2011, 07:46 AM
Not sure if it's what they were shooting for, but it sure sounds like if you are either a head cook or a team member, you cannot cook with any other team. A team is a team and a person cannot be a part of two teams for Sam's club purposes.
Not sure if I like it or not, but I think that was what they had in mind.

I think that is just what they were trying to do. I did hear some complaints that a relative that had already qualified for Bentonville was helping his son or brother or who knows. I didn't really care at the time, but do think that is what they are trying to prevent.
The problem I had was teams that had qualified for a regional and kept competing at other locals. Some teams cooked at three or more locals after they had already qualified for the regional. This kept other teams out of the locals that may have wanted to give it a shot. I have no problem with a team that did not qualify take an open spot at another local if there is one open.

DawgPhan
12-29-2011, 09:16 AM
I think that is just what they were trying to do. I did hear some complaints that a relative that had already qualified for Bentonville was helping his son or brother or who knows. I didn't really care at the time, but do think that is what they are trying to prevent.
The problem I had was teams that had qualified for a regional and kept competing at other locals. Some teams cooked at three or more locals after they had already qualified for the regional. This kept other teams out of the locals that may have wanted to give it a shot. I have no problem with a team that did not qualify take an open spot at another local if there is one open.


No one was keep out of anything by anyone. Let people cook as many as they want and can afford. Tons of the locals had open spots the week of the contest last year.

JD McGee
12-29-2011, 09:28 AM
Well...here's my two cents on the matter...it's their money...it's their rules...either cook the event and play by the rules or not...

HoDeDo
12-29-2011, 11:35 AM
I agree with JD - BBQ comps as a whole are better with Sam's Club pitching in and hosting a series of events again. They could do them in any sanctioning body, and they chose the KCBS. That is great! Any BBQs are good BBQs -- and ones that are bringing $$ and visability are even better.... How about not bagging on them, and embracing them. Would you rather Sam's club invest in Bass Fishing, or Dog Shows? They are putting a sizable amount of cash into our baileywick. Let's make it worth their while.

DawgPhan
12-29-2011, 12:14 PM
Well...here's my two cents on the matter...it's their money...it's their rules...either cook the event and play by the rules or not...


Unless their rules interfere with your sponsorships?

roksmith
12-29-2011, 12:26 PM
That actually makes the decision easier then..don't play

JD McGee
12-29-2011, 01:05 PM
That actually makes the decision easier then..don't play
Bingo!

dmprantz
12-29-2011, 01:15 PM
JD, I'm curious on something: Since you said that would would not go to The Jack this year, does that mean that you will refrain from submitting your paperwork and not get any bungs with your name on them thrown into the barrel? Obviously this is a long way away and is all dependent on you winning at least one GC, but hypothetically....

dmp

JD McGee
12-29-2011, 01:26 PM
JD, I'm curious on something: Since you said that would would not go to The Jack this year, does that mean that you will refrain from submitting your paperwork and not get any bungs with your name on them thrown into the barrel? Obviously this is a long way away and is all dependent on you winning at least one GC, but hypothetically....

dmp

That is correct sir! We have cooked the Jack two years in a row but have never cooked the Royal, Memphis In May, Great American, Talledega, or any of the other biggies back east. This year if we do not make the cut to Bentonville we will cook the Royal. Next year we will look at a different one...
Cheers!
JD

CaptTable
12-29-2011, 01:42 PM
JD, I guess Kathy will have to give your Welcome box to some other team next year. I know she'll miss having fellow Mariner fans here in Lynchburg!

Phillip

JD McGee
12-29-2011, 01:54 PM
JD, I guess Kathy will have to give your Welcome box to some other team next year. I know she'll miss having fellow Mariner fans here in Lynchburg!

Phillip

Hmmm...there is THAT! Lol! Perhaps a visit to Seattle for opening day??? We'll provide the welcome box!
Our best to Kathy brother!