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Meatlover
11-13-2011, 07:36 PM
Do any of the candidates have anything to financially or personally gain from being elected? Consultant, marketing expert, contest rep, contest organizer, bbq related business owner, or anything else that people may feel is inappropriate or conflicting.

If so, what would that be?

If not, how would you deal with potential conflicts?

How would you work to make sure other board members refrain from conflicts?

Jorge
11-14-2011, 08:16 AM
Do any of the candidates have anything to financially or personally gain from being elected? Consultant, marketing expert, contest rep, contest organizer, bbq related business owner, or anything else that people may feel is inappropriate or conflicting.

If so, what would that be?

If not, how would you deal with potential conflicts?

How would you work to make sure other board members refrain from conflicts?

I have no product, restaurant, or catering business to potentially benefit from service if elected. I'm a software/IT geek operating my own business, and have already stated publicly that I wouldn't touch KCBS issues in that area with a 10 ft. insulated pole. I spend money on BBQ and see absolutely no reason that would change within my lifetime.

It's highly unlikely that a personal conflict would come up in my case, but in the event that it did I'd excuse myself from discussing the issue as well as any vote.

I believe the board needs to develop a complete code of ethics with reasonable penalties for violations that are public and known in advance.

There are members serving now, that were elected under existing rules that some would consider to have a conflict of interest. I've been considering that and how to move forward. It's not as simple as it may appear.

Leatherheadiowa
11-14-2011, 08:59 AM
I agree with George on this as well. While I don't know all of the current board members as well as others I have been told that there are some current issues with some board members getting better contest rep assignments, working for marketing companies, and other businesses that could easily be looked at in a bad light. It appears that there are some companies in the BBQ world that get some very favorable treatment because of their connections and I don't feel that is right either.
Personally, I am in pharmaceutical research. I see patients in clinics here in Des Moines. Unless the KCBS BOD can help me find people with chronic diarrhea, ear drainage, or some other type of medical issues I don't believe that there will be any conflicts.
In terms of how I would deal with the potential conflicts, I like a signed agreement that would forbid a board member from conflicting situations. I agree with George that only so much can be done but some of the obvious issues could easily be addressed while other items that were previously under the table deals wouldn't happen anymore.
Once again, we are forcced to self police and maintain a personal and professional code of conduct that each KCBS member can appreciate.

Candy Sue
11-14-2011, 09:55 AM
Every board member signs a conflict statement and there is a code of conduct statement that every director signs. Personally, I do not believe that conflicts should be based solely on financial gain. For example, if a KCBS board member is also on the board of MBN, that could potentially be detrimental to both organizations.

As a person in a barbeque business and serving on the board of KCBS, I have done my utmost to keep separate my business life and KCBS. I've had many business associates not be aware of my position with KCBS until they join and read the Bullsheet. Until I am off the board, my company will not advertise with KCBS in any fashion.

In my opinion, greater potential for conflict arises from directors who make money in/at KCBS events. Since most board members are contest representatives, who as independent contractors are paid for their services, that by definition is a conflict. But all directors do sign a conflict of interest statement and being a contest rep is disclosed. Directors can and do abstain from vote and discussion on any issue with personal conflicts.

Rookie'48
11-14-2011, 10:27 AM
I'm not a Rep or an organizer, I don't write books or hold classes, I don't cater or vend and I am not a permanent member of a cooking team, although I do cook once or twice a year with different teams. I have absolutely no way that I can make money from my involvement with KCBS or from BBQ in general.

To me, there should be NO WAY for a Board member, directly or indirectly, to profit from being on the BoD. This should include Reps getting "plum" assignments, sales of books or anything else that can't pass the smell test.



By the way Meatlover, could you pop on over to Cattle Call & introduce yourself? Maybe let us know something about you other than "goverment owned & operated" or "Anytown, Anystate" :confused:.

Leatherheadiowa
11-14-2011, 10:28 AM
Candy Sue, it sounds like you are the type of person the membership can appreciate! I agree with your point about financial gain is more with directors that are reps. I would say this, it takes a great deal of courage and confidence to take the plush contest rep assignments as a board member and I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I was in one of their positions. The ability to pick and choose contests seems very conflicted. Many jobs have perks but at some point people are going to get fed up with not getting a chance to experience what others assume is theirs by title.
Interesting comments...

Jeff_in_KC
11-14-2011, 10:38 AM
Hang on there, Meatlover! Been over this once before... my organizing a contest is in no way a conflict of interest and I don't stand to gain a thing. Why are you lumping organizers into this? The contest that I put on with a friend of mine is all for charity and we don't make a dime off of it. You want to know what the conflict of interest is? A board full of REPS making all the rules that us cooks and judges have to play by then coming out and enforcing them on us at contests. I don't see how that's right but then again, no one asked.

Meatlover
11-14-2011, 11:38 AM
[QUOTE=Jeff_in_KC;1849999]Hang on there, Meatlover! QUOTE]
You may have gone over it before and it doesn't mean there is anything wrong with you doing what you do as long as you are up front and honest. Don't get defensive, I asked a blanket question and don't need a grown man to treat another with that tone. I thought people could post on here without getting treated like dirt. I may be new here but I deserve a little respect.
I appreciate all the answers and everyone's time to write.

Jeff_in_KC
11-14-2011, 11:59 AM
LOL! If you took my reply as treating you like dirt, that's your issue, not mine. It was in no way intended that way. Maybe I should have taken offense - you did state that being an organizer is on the list of possible "inappropriate" positions for a board member.

If you want a little respect here, maybe you should take the time to get to know the forum and post a bit before jumping in and making a controversial statement in only your third post here and then calling someone out for responding in kind. Just sayin'...

dmprantz
11-14-2011, 12:13 PM
I'm not a Rep or an organizer, I don't write books or hold classes, I don't cater or vend and I am not a permanent member of a cooking team, although I do cook once or twice a year with different teams.

You judge KCBS competitions on a regular basis, correct? I'm asking because as some one who is neither an organizer, rep, nor permanent team member, I would like verification that you have some form of connection to the organization on whose board you hope to sit.

Thanks,

dmp

bover
11-14-2011, 12:20 PM
The whole thing about reps serving on the BoD is something that has always bothered me a bit and I'm glad to see it come up here in conversation. In my opinion, it really is the definition of conflict-of-interest. Folks in this position vote on contests to sanction, then turn around and earn a paycheck working as reps (or in the case of Sam's, as organizers) for those very same contests. I'm not saying that there is any form of collusion happening today, but the undeniable fact is that the potential for it is there.

I have no problem with people certified to be reps serving on the BoD as they generally have their thumbs on the pulse of the competition world, but I do strongly believe that they should abstain from performing any rep duties while they are serving.

Jorge
11-14-2011, 12:36 PM
The whole thing about reps serving on the BoD is something that has always bothered me a bit and I'm glad to see it come up here in conversation. In my opinion, it really is the definition of conflict-of-interest. Folks in this position vote on contests to sanction, then turn around and earn a paycheck working as reps (or in the case of Sam's, as organizers) for those very same contests. I'm not saying that there is any form of collusion happening today, but the undeniable fact is that the potential for it is there.

I have no problem with people certified to be reps serving on the BoD as they generally have their thumbs on the pulse of the competition world, but I do strongly believe that they should abstain from performing any rep duties while they are serving.

I understand that concern as well as your views. Looking at your last paragraph, don't we negate many of the benefits of having Reps on the board if we cut them off from the teams and judges?

I understand that they can benefit, slightly, financially. My greater concern would be the manner in which they get their assignments. That process is now in the office to my understanding, and the goal is to serve the organizers and make everything as fair as possible.

I think it would be fair to take a look at the process and maybe put some safeguards in place, but I'm not willing to commit to banning a Rep from working contests. I think that's a net loss for KCBS.

Cook's have the opportunity to win money, and we aren't talking about banning them from cooking. I think a healthy board would have cooks, judges, reps, and organizers. With the proper safeguards, better communication, and scrutiny from membership, I believe many perceived issues of undue benefit go away.

ModelMaker
11-14-2011, 01:15 PM
You judge KCBS competitions on a regular basis, correct? I'm asking because as some one who is neither an organizer, rep, nor permanent team member, I would like verification that you have some form of connection to the organization on whose board you hope to sit.

Thanks,

dmp
You wish to have verification? Dave is a dues paying memnber of the KCBS and wishes to become a director of the board to further the goals of same.
That is all that is required.
What you might not know is his tireless ambition to listen and discuss problems in the process. He judges 12 to 15 contests a year in a 4 state region. He is one of the most recognized and respected judges by cook teams in the midwest.

His biggest desire is to get judges to become more involved in the contest process and get the two groups to become a team instead of us & them.
He is constantly talking to judges trying to get them to come around the cook camps Fri. night to meet and visit with them to try and get a feeling for what's involved in cooking. Also, he trys to get them to stick around for awards to cheer on thier new friends and see how it ends as well.

I understand due to your location you not knowing of Dave and his "connection" to KCBS but rest assured his "connection" is above and beyond the norm of a dues paying KCBS member.
I believe he would make a excellent member of the board as he is what a member of a organization should be, careing and involved.
Ed

dmprantz
11-14-2011, 01:33 PM
Excuse you. I was under the impression that Dave was a candidate for an office and was willing to run as a candidate and answer questions to convince me that I should vote for him. I wasn't aware that I was forbidden to ask questions. I wasn't aware that I should vote for people simply because they are members of this forum. I wasn't aware that there are those who feel that some one who is a member of KCBS but not associated with competitive BBQ in any way shape or form is qualified to act as a member of the BOD.

I too am a dues paying member of KCBS, and a competitor, and I am a member of this forum. If Mr. Compton would like the opportunity to receive my vote when the time comes, then I would like to verify that he is associated with competition BBQ. I don't know the man, but I won't ask for your forgiveness from any one to ask questions about him. You do your friend a great disservice by jumping down the throats of the very people who's votes he hopes to receive: The ones who aren't his friends but are looking for reasons to vote for him.

dmp

Scottie
11-14-2011, 01:41 PM
Every board member signs a conflict statement and there is a code of conduct statement that every director signs. Personally, I do not believe that conflicts should be based solely on financial gain. For example, if a KCBS board member is also on the board of MBN, that could potentially be detrimental to both organizations.



Any chance that these disclosures can be made public to the member? I would like to know this information before i am expected to vote to retain a Director. I think we deserve to know of folks are making money off of KCBS and also being a Board member.

Jeff_in_KC
11-14-2011, 01:50 PM
Any chance that these disclosures can be made public to the member? I would like to know this information before i am expected to vote to retain a Director. I think we deserve to know of folks are making money off of KCBS and also being a Board member.

I'll gladly post a picture of mine if elected. No problem. :thumb:

Divemaster
11-14-2011, 02:05 PM
Excuse you. I was under the impression that Dave was a candidate for an office and was willing to run as a candidate and answer questions to convince me that I should vote for him. I wasn't aware that I was forbidden to ask questions. I wasn't aware that I should vote for people simply because they are members of this forum. I wasn't aware that there are those who feel that some one who is a member of KCBS but not associated with competitive BBQ in any way shape or form is qualified to act as a member of the BOD.

I too am a dues paying member of KCBS, and a competitor, and I am a member of this forum. If Mr. Compton would like the opportunity to receive my vote when the time comes, then I would like to verify that he is associated with competition BBQ. I don't know the man, but I won't ask for your forgiveness from any one to ask questions about him. You do your friend a great disservice by jumping down the throats of the very people who's votes he hopes to receive: The ones who aren't his friends but are looking for reasons to vote for him.

dmp

Let me start out with the fact that I too am a paid member of KCBS, Iím a certified Judge, and I have my own team.

I guess Iím rather surprised that you have not seen any of Daveís postings on judging in particular and competition in general.

Dave is very active both here and in the competition world. Seeing that you have been a member of this forum since January, 2008 and are now questioning his qualifications as well as slamming others who know him, makes me wonder where you normally reside here.

I have known Dave through this forum for over four years and I have also had the pleasure of meeting him at a number of competitions. I have always found him honest and willing to look at both sides of a discussion before he takes a side.

He has my vote.

dmprantz
11-14-2011, 02:09 PM
You wish to have verification? Dave is a dues paying memnber of the KCBS and wishes to become a director of the board to further the goals of same.
That is all that is required.


I took a step back and re-read this post. A majority of what you wrote was very useful and helpful information, however the way you started your response to me, quoted above, did feel like you were attacking me for asking a question. You may feel that all that is required to serve on the KCBS BOD are dues paid and desire, but I don't. That could be argued all day long up until the election closes, and I don't think that either of us will sway the other, but it is what it is, and I would appreciate the opportunity to ask simple questions of candidates without their friends telling me that I shouldn't ask them. I apologize if I over-reacted to your response and missed the positive information due to the start, but I would hope that my questions would not be second guessed like this in the future.

dmp

roksmith
11-14-2011, 02:09 PM
A step in the right direction would be the adoption of a "Sunshine" rule like several states have.
There is no reason, in an organization like the KCBS, for there to be executive sessions or other like meetings of board members not available to the general membership.
The rule could simply state that absolutely no KCBS business be discussed without being recorded and made available to the membership.

Jeff_in_KC
11-14-2011, 02:25 PM
A step in the right direction would be the adoption of a "Sunshine" rule like several states have.
There is no reason, in an organization like the KCBS, for there to be executive sessions or other like meetings of board members not available to the general membership.
The rule could simply state that absolutely no KCBS business be discussed without being recorded and made available to the membership.

I have to strongly disagree with this statement. First, sunshine laws do not forbid states from having closed sessions, only spell out the procedures and times that they may do so with exceptions also generally being written into state law.

Second, there absolutely are reasons for KCBS to enter into closed sessions. The membership's full knowledge of legal matters could compromise the organization's position at times. It also should be used for discussion of non-fully executed contracts and for personnel issues that the membership in general has no business knowing. For instance, should an employee be reprimanded or given a raise, the specific details are none of our business.

That being said, I believe the closed session has been utilized way too often in the past but I see it getting better and an agenda is now given for the topics so as to increase transparency.

dmprantz
11-14-2011, 02:25 PM
I guess Iím rather surprised that you have not seen any of Daveís postings on judging in particular and competition in general....

Seeing that you have been a member of this forum since January, 2008 and are now questioning his qualifications as well as slamming others who know him, makes me wonder where you normally reside here.

I have seen Dave's posts over the years, but he is not some one I converse with regularly. I was vaguely aware that he was a judge, but felt it was better to ask him an up-front, honest question rather than waste my time searching for and reading past posts by him to determine his participation level.

As for questioning qualification levels, that's what I'm supposed to do, and I'm amazed that any one would want me to vote for a candidate I don't know without questioning qualifications and being happy with them. Take a step back and look at the situation. These aren't personal attacks against defenseless forum members. These are people who have chosen to run for office and asked members of this organization and forum to vote for them. They have opened themselves up for questions about their qualifications and stances on positions. It has been well established by now that I don't know Dave Compton but I am asking him questions so that I can make an informed decision about who will will receive my votes. I think that any one who doesn't know him and doesn't do the same is doing the very thing that has angered people about past BOD elections, voting for names and not people.

Look at it from another angle as well. I personally believe that in order to be a good BOD member, a person should be involved with KCBS competition BBQ. If you don't agree, that's your opinion, and fine, but that's how I feel. What if I'm not alone in that opinion? What if Mr. Compton had just announced that he was neither a rep, organizer, nor regular competitior, and some one who is not a regular member of the forum reads that and decides that he doesn't want to vote for some one who isn't involved. Maybe (just maybe) I was trying to help Mr. Compton by having him inform other people in the forum that he is a frequent judge who is involved. Maybe I didn't know him well enough to say that in his place, and maybe I didn't want to be a campaigner for him, but I thought that others deserved to know that about him. In stead of him, or one of his stauch supporters, saying the truth about him, I've been told that I shouldn't ask him questions and that I shouldn't wonder about his qualifications. That really makes me (and maybe others) wonder why his qualifications shouldn't be discussed.

I think it does a great disservice to all involved to continue this conversation here. My PMs are about full, but I'm friends with many ppl on this forum on Facebook, and I invite any one who really wants to discuss this further to contact me there and discuss.

dmp

Jeff_in_KC
11-14-2011, 02:30 PM
dmp, I fully understand what you're saying but Dave's signature here has a link to both the Web site and his Facebook campaign page. Reading such things are a part of one's educating themselves on the issues and where the candidates stand. To be quite honest, it's not even Thanksgiving yet and with all of the posts here, we as candidates could spend literally hours daily chasing all of the questions and responding to all of them.

roksmith
11-14-2011, 02:43 PM
Some states may differ, but in Ohio, ALL meetings of public officials to discuss business are required to be open. I see no reason KCBS business could have any reason to be more secretive than any city or county in an entire state.

I do stand corrected in that legal matters can cause closed sessions, but those reasons should be stated prior to entering a closed session and the closed session should be used only for discussing previously stated subject.

Jorge
11-14-2011, 02:56 PM
Some states may differ, but in Ohio, ALL meetings of public officials to discuss business are required to be open. I see no reason KCBS business could have any reason to be more secretive than any city or county in an entire state.

I don't have the time to research the law in Ohio but I'm confident that personnel issues and more importantly the details aren't public record. There are federal labor laws that would preclude a lot of that info becoming public knowledge. If I'm wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.

Beyond that, for better or worse, KCBS has business to discuss and the board has a legitimate need to discuss pending contracts, negotiations, and legal matters without it becoming public knowledge. After the fact, I'm fine with everybody and their brother taking a look at what is relevant within the law.

Rookie'48
11-14-2011, 04:16 PM
Ok, I'm back from doing yard work :rolleyes:.

Right - I'm not a Rep, organizer, etc. But as Ed pointed out I judge 12 to 15 comps a year in Iowa, Missouri, Kansas and Nebraska. Next year I plan on adding a few more states to my "Have Judged" list by taking a vacation trip that includes BBQ contests (I plan to do this whether I'm on the BoD or not).
I've judged over 60 contests since getting my CBJ badge in early 2007 and I received my Master CBJ in early 2010. I started out cooking with a small team here in Iowa but a back injury has put a stop to any comp cooking on a regular basis so now I judge a lot and try to cook once or twice a year with different teams.
You'll see me at a lot of comps on Friday evening, wandering around visiting with the teams that I know and meeting new friends as I pass out some smoked cheese that I have in my two-wheeled cooler that many cooks here in the Midwest recognize. At most comps that I go to I'll know at least 25% of the teams and I'm welcome in their camps when I come out to visit.
I've introduced at least a half dozen CBJs to cooks so that the CBJ can get their Master CBJ. I'm trying my best to figure out ways that the cooks and judges will get to know each other long before the judge does 30 contests. I think that the cooks and judges are two sides to the same coin and we need both sides before we have anything of value.
I've posted below a couple of links that go to my Facebook page and our campaign website. You could also check out my blogs at www.BBQCritc.com (http://www.BBQCritc.com) or research my posts here in the Comp section.
I guess that I've been pretty vocal as to how I think on most subjects. Have I been wrong at times? Sure! But when I find that I'm wrong I'm willing to admit it & move on.
I really didn't want to make this a long BBQ autobiography, but this does try to answer some questions that were asked.

YankeeBBQ
11-15-2011, 08:35 AM
Do any of the candidates have anything to financially or personally gain from being elected? Consultant, marketing expert, contest rep, contest organizer, bbq related business owner, or anything else that people may feel is inappropriate or conflicting.

If so, what would that be?

If not, how would you deal with potential conflicts?

How would you work to make sure other board members refrain from conflicts?

I cook with the team I Smell Smoke !!!
I own a bbq catering business in Massachusetts
I teach an occasional BBQ class (I hope to increase the number of classes)
I also own a retail bbq store that sells rubs, sauces and other bbq related items in a brick and mortar store and online.

I have never advertised my business or my classes in the Bullsheet or on the KCBS website .

I have no intention of using a position on the KCBS board to promote my business or my classes. If there were ever an issue related to my business I would abstain from voting. If I were a board member I would vow to never make any type of ruling at a contest that I was competing in.