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Candy Sue
11-03-2011, 10:20 AM
Please get informed and VOTE in the up-coming election! The future of KCBS is in the hands of the members who VOTE. Please don't not vote, then sit on the sidelines and complain. If you VOTE for the candidates whose platforms agree with your positions, you'll have a voice on the board of KCBS. Then complain, I guarantee the board does listen! But, please VOTE!!!

YankeeBBQ
11-03-2011, 11:17 AM
Please get informed and VOTE in the up-coming election! The future of KCBS is in the hands of the members who VOTE. Please don't not vote, then sit on the sidelines and complain. If you VOTE for the candidates whose platforms agree with your positions, you'll have a voice on the board of KCBS. Then complain, I guarantee the board does listen! But, please VOTE!!!

Is there a list of Nominees somewhere ?

Scottie
11-03-2011, 12:30 PM
When do nominations end?

Candy Sue
11-03-2011, 01:04 PM
Nomination closed on 10/31. Here's the slate, I'm sorry it's not up under KCBS News yet (really should be!).

STATE
Incumbent: Gene Goycochea. CA
Candidates: Sonny Ashford. NE
Forrest Bruce. KS
Kim Collier MO
Dave Compton. IA
Steve Farrin MA
Steve Grinstead. OH
Larry Hadley. KS
William "BJ" Hoffman. IA
David Londeen. MN
George Mullins. TX
Dennis Polson. KS
DennyMike Sherman ME
Jeff Stith. MO

Ron_L
11-03-2011, 02:36 PM
Thanks for the reminder. I was amazed at the low percentage of members who voted last year.

Plowboy
11-03-2011, 02:43 PM
Some really good candidates on that list. Everyone needs to pay close attention. Should be very interesting.

Can I have 8 or 9 votes?

smoke-n-my-i's
01-04-2012, 07:29 PM
Since when and why does KCBS allow candidates to access personal information of members and send out an email "begging" for votes? Here is one I got Monday..... (BTW, when I got one last year and questioned it, I was told that it would not be allowed again).

I am running for the KCBS Board for another term and would appreciate your support

I want to be your voice in BBQ
I for the past 3 years have made it clear that you can call me on BBQ issues my number is (619) 600-8320 (tel:%28619%29%20600-8320), I am willing to discuss anything related to BBQ and KCBS
I eat, live and sleep BBQ, I was a competitor, I judge, I am a contest rep, I am also a judging instructor. I am retired and have the time to commit to my position on the board, I have nothing financial to gain, I am here to represent the membership as a whole
I currently am responsible for membership, membership is up 60% since I took on this duty 3 years ago.
I have an excellent voting record, I represent the membership.
I would appreciate your vote.
My phone number is: 619-600-8320 (tel:619-600-8320)
My e-mail is: ggoycochea@kcbs.us
Gene GoycocheaGENE GOYCOCHEA FOR KCBS BOARD OF DIRECTORS

smoke-n-my-i's
01-04-2012, 07:30 PM
BTW, after I received the email, I forwarded it to KCBS as well as a copy to Gene.... I have not heard a word from anyone.....

MilitantSquatter
01-04-2012, 07:34 PM
This answer was posted by Gene on another forum that had a running discussion about the same topic

"I can settle this for everyone, this is not from any list of e-mails from KCBS that I do not have access to anyway.... this is a list of old and new e-mail lists of mine and many friends and organizers around the Country that are helping me..... I used to be the largest organizer, a friend of mine is now, between these lists, i sent out approx. 2600 e-mails yesterday, about 600 bounced back as old non existent, none are from KCBS or its database."

smoke-n-my-i's
01-04-2012, 07:44 PM
Thanks. If you or anyone else hasn't figured it out, I AM a very aggressive anti-spammer, and since I did not ask for any information from Gene, that is just exactly what that is classified as....

Thanks again for the answer. Now, how does one get their email removed from that list?????

boogiesnap
01-04-2012, 07:49 PM
still a bit discomforting.

i don't think a spammish tactic like that will get anyone very far.

i'm also not so happy to hear organizers sharing others personal contact info. i don't care if they were the biggest or smallest.

boogiesnap
01-04-2012, 07:52 PM
moreover, i think i'd ask for a list of those "organizers helping" to be sure i don't ever give them personal info again.

smoke-n-my-i's
01-04-2012, 08:01 PM
still a bit discomforting.

i don't think a spammish tactic like that will get anyone very far.

i'm also not so happy to hear organizers sharing others personal contact info. i don't care if they were the biggest or smallest.

I bet you can't guess who I did NOT vote for???? LOL

smoke-n-my-i's
01-04-2012, 08:03 PM
that should be part of the contract for an organizer that they will NOT sell, give, or trade any personal information of cook teams, judges, reps or any other person that is associated with the event.....

Leatherheadiowa
01-04-2012, 08:06 PM
Boogie,
I couldn't agree with you more. While nothing illegal happened, something unethical did happen. I wondered how my name got into someone else's hands and now I know. Do we have to ask that a privacy clause be put in every registration now to keep people from sharing for unethical practices? Add a check box that allows people to share our information? I WOULD HOPE NOT! Something about one bad apple...
I guess desperate times call for desperate measures!

MilitantSquatter
01-04-2012, 08:10 PM
I haven't entered a contest on my own since '08, yet I still receive several e-mail blasts and/or pamphlets in the mail at home announcing contests each season... These appear to be from organizers I've never competed at other contests they ran. :confused:

boogiesnap
01-04-2012, 08:10 PM
I bet you can't guess who I did NOT vote for???? LOL

agreed.

boogiesnap
01-04-2012, 08:13 PM
Boogie,
I couldn't agree with you more. While nothing illegal happened, something unethical did happen. I wondered how my name got into someone else's hands and now I know. Do we have to ask that a privacy clause be put in every registration now to keep people from sharing for unethical practices? Add a check box that allows people to share our information? I WOULD HOPE NOT! Something about one bad apple...
I guess desperate times call for desperate measures!

agreed again. while there is no clause or checkbox currently, one can only imagine, if they thought this would pan out well, what other ideas might they implement?

now we have another issue. :doh:

dmprantz
01-04-2012, 08:42 PM
Personal Rant: I did not receive this eMail, but from listening to the last couple of board meetings, it became plainly obvious to me that this board in general and a few directors in particular don't at all respect the privacy of individuals when it comes to eMail. There was talk about sending out unsolicited eMails for various purposes, and spammer tendencies of "opt out," when in fact people should only ever have to opt in. I don't appreciate that. I haven't brought it up because I didn't want to be a pain in the ass about it, but unsolicited eMails are wrong.

dmp

Jeff_in_KC
01-04-2012, 09:43 PM
OK guys, I'm not friends or anything with Gene but I'm going to defend him sending unsolicited emails. And nothing unethical happened, BJ. GEESH! The man collected emails and sent what's called a CAMPAIGN message out to a very targeted audience. If you don't want it, block him or just tell him politely to remove your name from his list. It's not spam until you tell him it is, at least not to him. In 2009, I sent out weekly emails to approximately 800 people I collected from various emails, etc. that I had saved over recent years. Occasionally, I'd get a message back from someone asking to be removed. I politely acknowledged their request and immediately removed them from the mailing lists. I created a dialogue with myself and anyone who asked questions in response. Very effective. And it almost worked. I went from being a "who the hell is that?" to someone recognized across the country and fell only 51 votes short. Just because you get an unsolicited email in your inbox doesn't mean it's the end of the world. Y'all are making it sound like a crime or an inconvenience.

boogiesnap
01-04-2012, 10:18 PM
jeff, it's the principle, not the act.

with that said, as always, i'll take my brothers thoughts and consider another opinion.:thumb:

dmprantz
01-04-2012, 10:27 PM
Sending out an eMail asking for support from those with whom you've had contact is one thing. Collecting a list of eMail addresses for people that you don't know from a third party with the sole intent of sending them unsolicited eMail is very much the definition of SPAM, whether any one wants to admit it or not. Some one who obtains a list of eMail addresses for the purpose communicating leading up to an event who then takes that list and gives or sells it to a third party for uses not directly related to their intended purpose....I dunno if I would call that "unethical," but it is disrespectful and rude at the very least.

dmp

timzcardz
01-05-2012, 07:18 AM
Just because you get an unsolicited email in your inbox doesn't mean it's the end of the world. Y'all are making it sound like a crime or an inconvenience.

Actually, it IS an inconvenience.

bover
01-05-2012, 09:11 AM
It is the definition of spam. For the record, I received a similar email from one of the other candidates. The only way that person could have got my email is because I was a judge for the contest they organize every year. I provided my information for purposes of exchanging information about the contest...not to receive unsolicited spam messages. I too forwarded the email to KCBS, but haven't heard anything back yet. It absolutely is an unethical practice.

Greendriver
01-05-2012, 10:05 AM
not spam if you are a bbq'r. hit delete and enjoy the rest of your day. I didn't vote for him, but...

HoDeDo
01-05-2012, 10:11 AM
It isnt that hard to compile a list on your own... heck just a quick facebook search will net you a list of folks that you can many times find a email address for, right in their info. Heck if you have smart phone, you can load it as a contact inthe facebook app....

Export, table, import, and viola! Your email list. Yes, you would hope that folks don't sell your email, but just about any site you visit that collects it can share it - it's scary really.

Anyway, definately dont agree with the spamming, but I also got emails from others... I know they could have gotten it from my website, facebook, any number of places... so I wouldnt make the jump that KCBS gave them anything.

Jeff_in_KC
01-05-2012, 01:16 PM
Come on guys, seriously? If you're a KCBS member and are eligible to vote (which pretty much just takes being a paid member), how can you consider it spam? The only inconvenience is an extra click on the delete button. Reading is not required. The emails I collected were from mostly emails sent that I was included on and the sender did not use the BCC function (which I almost always do when sending out an email to large groups and did in the 2009 campaign). These came mostly from organizers contacting teams. Many of my 800 or so had never met me. I NEVER EVER hear any of you complaining when you get an email from an organizer asking you to attend their event yet when it comes to someone wanting to serve membership for three years on the board, it somehow raises all kinds of hackles. What about those postcards and letters from contests you've never cooked that appear in your postal mail box? No complaints voiced there either.

dmprantz
01-05-2012, 01:30 PM
Come on guys, seriously?

Seriously. Some people respect the privacy of others and expect the same in return. Obviously, you either don't consider an eMail address to be private or don't care about others' privacy. In either case, you are not in agreement with some population of the world in general and members of this forum in particular. I don't think any of us need to justify our privacy expectations to you, but I would expect you to respect them. Marketing is marketing, and campaigning is a form of marketing. If you seriously think it's okay to give out others' eMail addresses, share yours here, and I'll be sure to tell every viagra, penis enargement, and fake Rolex salesman I find that you might be interested. Afterall, you likely have a penis and a wrist, so you could use any of them, right?

dmp

Jeff_in_KC
01-05-2012, 01:34 PM
Seriously. Some people respect the privacy of others and expect the same in return. Obviously, you either don't consider an eMail address to be private or don't care about others' privacy. In either case, you are not in agreement with some population of the world in general and members of this forum in particular. I don't think any of us need to justify our privacy expectations to you, but I would expect you to respect them. Marketing is marketing, and campaigning is a form of marketing. If you seriously think it's okay to give out others' eMail addresses, share yours here, and I'll be sure to tell every viagra, penis enargement, and fake Rolex salesman I find that you might be interested. Afterall, you likely have a penis and a wrist, so you could use any of them, right?

dmp

Yeah, I respect your privacy so I wouldn't give your email to anyone else. And if I send you an email and you don't want it, I'd take your name off the list. That's how it works.

dmprantz
01-05-2012, 01:41 PM
Yeah, I respect your privacy so I wouldn't give your email to anyone else.

Then I think we are largely in agreement. What I said above is that to use an existing communications channel is one thing, but to receive a contact list from a third party is disrespectful. I think one of the big complaints here is that people who have never had dealing with an individual are now getting eMails from that person. He has also admitted that he acquired eMail addresses from others for marketing purposes. That's SPAM and not appreciated by many.

dmp

Greendriver
01-05-2012, 01:54 PM
o.k. let me try this. around 10 yrs ago my golf 4some got busted up and I needed to find another group. long about that time I happened to get a monthly email blast from the golf course about the current events, etc. included in the email was all the other email addresses they had sent it to, so I copied and pasted each name to an email that I sent out hoping someone would let me in their group. should I apologize, or did anyone send back and chew me out for it. No on both counts and I did get a couple of responses and eventually got with one of them.

dmprantz
01-05-2012, 01:57 PM
For the record, the CAN-SPAM act makes it a federal crime to send out bulk, unsolicited eMail. An exception exists when there is a prior relationship between the sender and recipient, but that doesn't seem to apply here.

dmp

Jeff_in_KC
01-05-2012, 02:17 PM
Honestly, I think you could make a case for a prior relationship in that Gene is a director on a board that represents the membership of KCBS. If you are a KCBS member, he's representing you I imagine it would be difficult to say in a court of law that there was no relationship.

dmprantz
01-05-2012, 02:48 PM
Except that he didn't acquire the eMail addresses through that relationship, and that's where the exception comes from. Honestly, I'm not a lawyer, and I don't intend to call the FTC over this, but I think he's in the wrong when it comes to spamming practices. It's really quite simple: Don't share, accept, nor use some one else's eMail address for marketing purposes unless that person gave you the eMail address. Even then, be careful if he didn't invite marketing information from you when he did.

dmp

Greendriver
01-05-2012, 02:58 PM
it'd sure be a shame for someone to go to jail or face a fine when all the other person had to do was "delete". in fact mark it as spam when deleting and no more emails will go in your inbox.

dmprantz
01-05-2012, 03:07 PM
Just beause "you" don't mind when some one disrespects your privacy and breaks the law doesn't mean that no one else should. Sure I could just waste my time on some one else's disrespect, or I could hope that person learns and stops doing it. Why should I put up with some one else who is in the wrong just because "you" say it's okay?

dmp

The "you" was a general case. Not trying to single out any one in particular.

Gene01
01-05-2012, 03:08 PM
I will post this here one time, I didn't try to get an advantage over any other candidate, I used contacts from my database in my own computer, (this means I have received an e-mail from them first) and from an organizer that I rep most of their contests, almost everyone who was contacted I have met with or coresponded with through e-mail.... there will be a few I am unsure about, most of the people who have stated that I did something underhanded to, i have an e-mail or personal knowledge of corespondence with, or have met them, I didn't go out and buy e-mail lists or get them from KCBS or look all over the internet for, i sent 2600 e-mails to those who either new me or as I said before had an in common e-mail or meeting of or with.....I hope that this clears it all up to everyone's satisfaction... I even sent many to people not involved in BBQ as most of this was sent from my regular contact list in Outlook.

I do have to say, I have a lot of respect for the others candidates running who could have slammed me on this, they were very professional and fair

Sorry if it has offended anyone....

kihrer
01-05-2012, 03:21 PM
As a CIO of a college, I deal with spam issues frequently. We easily block 65% of our mail traffic as spam. But I am just curious - of those of you who were upset with receiving the email (I received it, too), how many would have been upset had that same message been delivered by snail mail?

dmprantz
01-05-2012, 03:30 PM
of those of you who were upset with receiving the email (I received it, too), how many would have been upset had that same message been delivered by snail mail?

I did not receive this eMail, but I dislike all forms of junk mail, especially compaign junk-mail. I'm even one of those jerks who takes every piece of junk mail he gets with a "receiver pays shipping" return envelope and I send it back to them as heavy and bulky as I can make it. Usually I just rip up and return to them what they sent me.

As much as I hate junk mail though, I hate spam even more. I've tried to rationalize it myself, and the best reason I've come up with is that at least when something is sent via snail-mail, the sender has to pay for it. Sending junk in eMail wastes my time and is free.

You asked....

dmp

kihrer
01-05-2012, 03:33 PM
I just looked at the KCBS privacy policy. Here are two key statements:

We may also provide your personally identifiable information and/or reports to authorized and officially recognized sponsors of KCBS for their use in connection with membership benefits or independent marketing efforts. These third-parties may send you email relating to their products and/or services. If you do not want to receive information from such sponsors, you will be given an opportunity to opt out of the program.

And;

Although we take appropriate measures to safeguard against unauthorized disclosures of information, we cannot assure you that personally identifiable information that is collected will never be disclosed in a manner that is inconsistent with this Privacy Policy.

My guess is that most officially recognized sponsors have all of our email addresses. I have no way of knowing if KCBS has checked to see what their privacy policy is prior to sending out our emails (if they actually do this).

Greendriver
01-05-2012, 03:36 PM
Just beause "you" don't mind when some one disrespects your privacy and breaks the law doesn't mean that no one else should. Sure I could just waste my time on some one else's disrespect, or I could hope that person learns and stops doing it. Why should I put up with some one else who is in the wrong just because "you" say it's okay?

dmp

The "you" was a general case. Not trying to single out any one in particular.

I don't mean to disrepect your opinion and you have every right to feel that way and I would not hold that against you or anyone. people have different view on things all the time, it's what makes the world go around.

kihrer
01-05-2012, 03:46 PM
I did not receive this eMail, but I dislike all forms of junk mail, especially compaign junk-mail. I'm even one of those jerks who takes every piece of junk mail he gets with a "receiver pays shipping" return envelope and I send it back to them as heavy and bulky as I can make it. Usually I just rip up and return to them what they sent me.

As much as I hate junk mail though, I hate spam even more. I've tried to rationalize it myself, and the best reason I've come up with is that at least when something is sent via snail-mail, the sender has to pay for it. Sending junk in eMail wastes my time and is free.

You asked....

dmp


Thank you. Like I said, I am curious because personally the stuff that comes in the snail mail box doesn't bother me as much even though it is more troublesome for me to dispose of. I think our disdain for SPAM through email stems from the computer viruses that were disseminated that way and the days were email storage space was much more limited. My personal issue with it (other than I have to deal with it as part of my job) is that I am not the best a cleaning up my mailbox. I freaks my daughter out that I have 7000 unread messages in my inbox.

While the email we received from Gene was unsolicited, I looked at it in the same vein as the hundreds of campaign flyers I receive prior to an election. Some I read with mild interest and some I just trash.

Goddahavit
01-05-2012, 03:47 PM
I will post this here one time, I didn't try to get an advantage over any other candidate, I used contacts from my database in my own computer, (this means I have received an e-mail from them first) and from an organizer that I rep most of their contests, almost everyone who was contacted I have met with or coresponded with through e-mail.... there will be a few I am unsure about, most of the people who have stated that I did something underhanded to, i have an e-mail or personal knowledge of corespondence with, or have met them, I didn't go out and buy e-mail lists or get them from KCBS or look all over the internet for, i sent 2600 e-mails to those who either new me or as I said before had an in common e-mail or meeting of or with.....I hope that this clears it all up to everyone's satisfaction... I even sent many to people not involved in BBQ as most of this was sent from my regular contact list in Outlook.

I do have to say, I have a lot of respect for the others candidates running who could have slammed me on this, they were very professional and fair

Sorry if it has offended anyone....

I'll bite, I received the email, and i really don't think i know you from Adam, its possible i do? since your so willing to use information you collected perhaps we can discuss where you got my information? I happen to use a different email for bbq and it was sent to my main address, personally im curious where it came from. Do you have a list of comps you are associated with on the east coast?

On a side note I hope everyone can see this stuff backfires, If i knew you and i was interested i would know you needed my vote, if you have to tell me that means it was spam, and i would vote againt you just for principal.

Gene01
01-05-2012, 05:57 PM
I know that I have seen your team name, I would guess that it would be Wildwook NJ or Seaside Heights NJ, it could also have been Ocean City NJ or one that I did in Pa.

Gene01
01-05-2012, 06:01 PM
Just looked it up, it is Seaside heights NJ, I still rep that contest, it was myself and Murray Saltzman that repped one year that you were there and with Preston and myself the next.....looked it up on the results page of KCBS you were there 2 of the years that I was the rep.

Gene01
01-05-2012, 06:11 PM
I'll bite, I received the email, and i really don't think i know you from Adam, its possible i do? since your so willing to use information you collected perhaps we can discuss where you got my information? I happen to use a different email for bbq and it was sent to my main address, personally im curious where it came from. Do you have a list of comps you are associated with on the east coast?

On a side note I hope everyone can see this stuff backfires, If i knew you and i was interested i would know you needed my vote, if you have to tell me that means it was spam, and i would vote againt you just for principal.

Just as an FYI, one of the reasons that I sent out so many e-mails even to people that I think might already vote for me is to get more members out to vote and not just for myself, we have a process that is easy to use and is under utilized, I would like to see a larger turn out even if it hurts my overall success in the election.c

Red Valley BBQ
01-05-2012, 06:34 PM
I would hope that something could be done about this. When I give my information to a contest organizer, that information is to be used for contest related correspondence ONLY. It is not to be sold or given to a "friend" for any reason.

Smokedelic
01-05-2012, 06:41 PM
...Sending junk in eMail wastes my time and is free.

You asked....

dmp

I'm guessing you've wasted a heck of a lot more time here griping about an email you didn't even receive than it would have taken to delete it....had you even received it.:drama:

SirPorkaLot
01-05-2012, 06:44 PM
Like anything else. Show your feelings with your vote.

I know I did.

There was one candidate I got an email from. Due to the fact it came to an email addy that is only used for KCBS contact and events, I know KCBS was somehow involved.

I also know that in any election I vote for who I perceive to have the best chance of meeting the expectations I have for that position.

My expectation is that the KCBS board stop acting doing stupid chit (like allow emails to be farmed by candidates).

Rich Parker
01-05-2012, 07:10 PM
:drama:

boogiesnap
01-05-2012, 08:13 PM
Just looked it up, it is Seaside heights NJ, I still rep that contest, it was myself and Murray Saltzman that repped one year that you were there and with Preston and myself the next.....looked it up on the results page of KCBS you were there 2 of the years that I was the rep.

but then how did it go to his main addy and not the one he uses for BBQ?

i would imagine if he was competing he would've used his bbq email.

again, for anyone discounting this, it's not the EMAIL itself, it's the principle.

what else is being shared??? can we talk SSN's that so many are now asking for?????

as a rep, i'd imagine you're also a judge. and as such know to win competitions you must offend the least amount of judges. but alas....

i think in this election(competition), with that tactic, you have offended a good number of judges(voters).

personally, i'd apologize for the indiscretion, and not defend it.

just my 2 cents which are prolly only worth 1.

best of luck bro! honestly.

dmprantz
01-05-2012, 08:14 PM
I'm guessing you've wasted a heck of a lot more time here griping about an email you didn't even receive than it would have taken to delete it....had you even received it.:drama:

And there it is. What BBQ Brethren Competition Forum thread would be complete without a snide comment berading others for having an opinion, much less values (privacy). Oh wait, there's an emoticon too. You told me!

I had to scold an 18 year old punk at the fire department for making rude comments just because he's hateful last night. I told him adults don't act that way...I forgot about the Brethren.

dmp

MilitantSquatter
01-05-2012, 08:39 PM
Mod Request: Easy guys.. no personal attacks :thumb:

Jeff_in_KC
01-05-2012, 10:44 PM
Man, I guess I must be de-sensitized on spam. I rarely see it because I have a spam filter on my Outlook. I am still defending Gene's right to try to get his message to the masses. Just because he sends you an email doesn't mean he's invaded your privacy. What does he know about you? HE isn't now in your home or seeing your computer. And he's not harassing you or sending threatening or obscene emails. He simply sent messages out asking KCBS members to consider him as he wants to work for YOU for another three years. I have not sent these emails this time, mainly because my list is on an old computer which I'm not using any longer and I didn't feel like trying to fire it up and retrieve them. Guess I'll just keep outta this conversation as you know what I think about it. No sense in beating the dead horse. Maybe others will follow the lead! LOL!

Spydermike72
01-06-2012, 05:22 AM
I have less of a problem with junk e-mail than I do with junk snail mail. All the junk e-mail has is my e-mail address, junk snail mail has my home address. Plus as many has pointed out I can control the junk e-mail with a filter, I cant filter junk snail mail...

I can buy every member of the Brethren's e-mail and mailing address today from a mailing house, if I wanted to spend the money. It is much easier than you think... And by the way, sending one un-solicited e-mail is not Spam, it is repeatedly sending e-mail after you have asked to be stop...

Goddahavit
01-06-2012, 06:32 AM
Just looked it up, it is Seaside heights NJ, I still rep that contest, it was myself and Murray Saltzman that repped one year that you were there and with Preston and myself the next.....looked it up on the results page of KCBS you were there 2 of the years that I was the rep.


Ok, Thank you, I still do not remember using that email, but its possible.
I was there only 1 year, and now I have another reason to not go back.

This is really using my information for personal reasons, when i contact a contest its about the contest, i am sure all this is lost on some, as it not a big deal to them, and its over.

I do appreciate you checking where you got my info.

Eric

dmprantz
01-06-2012, 07:11 AM
Plus as many has pointed out I can control the junk e-mail with a filter, I cant filter junk snail mail...

In case you didn't know, you can contact each of the three major credit reporting agencies and ask to have your name white washed from their junk mail list. It can cut down on new credit card offers and the like signifigantly. It won't help everything, like one practice of car dealers selling your information to insurance companies, but it's a start.

dmp

Smoke'n Ice
01-06-2012, 07:31 AM
For thoes that have problems finding the "delete" button, you might want to visit your google page and check out the profile that they have on you in which they select the ads that appear on your seach pages as well as gmail account. From age to gender to likes and dislikes. All of the search engins have this and this is truly an invasion of privacy, not what Gene has done. Ask the folks in the primary states how much unsolicited junk they have gotten from all of the canidates.

:deadhorse:

Arlin_MacRae
01-06-2012, 07:39 AM
I didn't get the e-mail message, but my wife did. Since we do everything BBQ together I was curious about the strange omission, but only that - curious. I get a ton of spam and I don't like the crap. If I had gotten Gene's message I wouldn't have considered it spam. That's just my feeling on the subject. I think a mountain has been made out of a mole hill here, but the discussion has raised our awareness levels somewhat. Now for the green bit:

Respect each others' opinions. The other guy's is no better or worse than yours. Remember, opinions are like BBQ pits - we all have one. At least one. :mrgreen:

Jorge
01-06-2012, 09:16 AM
When I chose to run for the board I made a decision, that I would not engage in debates about individuals or personalities. I wanted to stick to issues and the actions of the board, and more importantly what I feel benefit KCBS and the membership in the coming years.

I guess I'll deviate from that slightly. When this issue first came up on another forum I was clear when I publicly said that I had no reason to believe that Gene had obtained the email list from KCBS, or that he had an unfair advantage being a serving member of the board. I still believe that and stand by that statement.

As a candidate, I received an email list that was unsolicited. I chose not to use it, because I didn't feel comfortable doing so. I've made my message available via a web site, on various forums where I was given an introduction by existing members, and via email to people I had an existing relationship with. That was my choice.

Gene made a different choice, that some have taken exception to as is their right. I don't think he intentionally did anything unethical. I don't think he was trying to tilt the playing field in his favor, and I'm not going to point any fingers. At worst he made a mistake, and and best did nothing intentionally wrong.

If you don't want to receive email from him in the future, it's your right to let him know. If you want to let others know that you've gotten email that you didn't appreciate, that's your right too. I think it's a stretch for anyone to draw conclusions as to his motivation and intent. As a candidate it would be easy for me to jump on the bandwagon and call for him to be tarred and feathered. I can't do that. At worst he made a mistake in my opinion. A mistake does not merit a public flogging.

Warthog
01-06-2012, 09:17 AM
What a bunch of blown up BS. You want privacy live in a self contained silo with no outside communications. I voted for Gene and proud of it. Met him at Que by the Sea. One damn nice guy.

Jeff_in_KC
01-06-2012, 10:10 AM
OK since it's Jorge, I need to break my "beat the dead horse rule"! LOL! Jorge, even at worst, I don't believe you can say he made a mistake. And we all know what his motivation was... to be re-elected. Can't blame him. Mike is right - one unsolicited email is not spam. I applaud Gene for going the extra mile to campaign for a seat he obviously cares about. Most candidates simply put their ad in the Bullsheet and answer the questionnaire and wonder why they aren't elected. It's a lot more work to have to hike to the top of a mountain than it is a mole hill.

Jaybird
01-06-2012, 12:32 PM
What a bunch of blown up BS. You want privacy live in a self contained silo with no outside communications. I voted for Gene and proud of it. Met him at Que by the Sea. One damn nice guy.

I agree. This is way blown up. He's a Brethren brother for pete's sake. It's all about bbq. What the hell. This is crap I just shake my head at. :crazy:

arlieque
01-07-2012, 11:13 AM
OK, due to this thread I have a question. I have run 70 contest over the years and I believe short of the KCBS database I most likely have a rather large email list of teams and judges too. About 9000 of them. I built my database to let teams and judges know if there is a new contest in there area and tell them the apps are on my site to judge and cook the contest. Is is also wrong and or spam to email teams with this info?

Arlie

Sledneck
01-07-2012, 11:35 AM
OK, due to this thread I have a question. I have run 70 contest over the years and I believe short of the KCBS database I most likely have a rather large email list of teams and judges too. About 9000 of them. I built my database to let teams and judges know if there is a new contest in there area and tell them the apps are on my site to judge and cook the contest. Is is also wrong and or spam to email teams with this info?

Arlie

Nah you are doing a service. Don't change because a few crybabies out of a few thousand needed something to bitch about.

Greendriver
01-07-2012, 12:07 PM
so I assume you have already been doing this and have done it many times. any complaints?

Fat Freddy
01-07-2012, 12:59 PM
As I seem to do more and more often I have a slightly different take than most, and I seem to walk both sides of the line.

I did not get the email from Gene, however I kinda wished I would have because it is involving something I care about very much in BBQ and I would have had the opportunity to learn more about another KCBS candidate that I didnt already know(I think). In my decision I mainly used what i read in the Bullsheet,this forum and a personal friendship but one more thing would not have bothered me at all.

Saying that though, while I dont think Gene did anything wrong and I have no reason not to take him at exactly what he says. I am concerned about whomever it is and more importantly HOW email addresses are gotten. Gene may have had no bad intentions but can we honestly say the next person that gets our email does not or the person after that?

I personally have to scan through my junk email daily, do I open all of them? No I dont but as an example I ordered some team shirts form a company that there was an article about in our Brethren e-zine and if i would not have checked my junk folder I would not have known the status of the order. I hit the thing saying it is safe but it is examples like that which make me scan through the junk emails. So any extra while may only take a minute or two or even seconds it is a bit bothersome.

We just went through Caucus time here and I can tell you that between my snail mailbox and anything on TV, There was one person I refused to vote for because i was so annoyed. Others may have thought it wasnt a big deal to them and I was making a mountain out of a mole hill, and all thats fine but this is how I FELT on the subject.

Oh and my least favorite phrase in the world right now "I am ------ and I approve this message" (brethren in Iowa and probably New Hampshire know what i am talking about)

SirPorkaLot
01-07-2012, 01:07 PM
Case Study #1: Sending out contest information to a BBQ team that gave you an email addy for that very purpose. (this is perfectly acceptable in my view)

Case Study #2: Farming email addys from a sanctioning body for the purpose of getting votes. (this is not okay)

So it's only us crybabies that see the difference?

Me thinks the ones that are barking the loudest in support of this practice are obviously supporters of the brother that executed such an ill conceived scheme.

It matters not, do what you will send out as many emails as you would like.

In the end the voters will decide, regardless of what is posted here.

By the way, I think there is some folks in here that could use to relax a bit.

:tsk:

Maybe get a drink, grab a cigar, take a deep breath.

Red Valley BBQ
01-07-2012, 03:30 PM
I used contacts from my database in my own computer, (this means I have received an e-mail from them first) and from an organizer that I rep most of their contests, almost everyone who was contacted I have met with or coresponded with through e-mail.... there will be a few I am unsure about

Just because you have "met" someone at a contest does not mean they should get an unsolicited email of a personal nature. If you wanted to send them correspondence in regards to the contest, such as a thank you for attending email, I have no problem with that. Sending emails to these people that benefit you personally is not cool.

I even sent many to people not involved in BBQ as most of this was sent from my regular contact list in Outlook.

Why wouldn't you take the time to exclude the people "not involved in BBQ" in this mass mailing?? Sending a "vote for me" email to people that most likely couldn't vote for you if they wanted to, as well as people you don't have a personal relationship with (inspecting meat and answering competition questions does not necessarily qualify as a "personal relationship") is careless on your part. Some people could classify this carelessness as unsolicited or "spam" email.

I have to question the organizers of the event(s) that so easily and willingly gave you the contact information of it's particitpants. While there are no definitive rules regarding privacy of personal information, I believe there is a certain expectation that availability of said contact information is limited to organizers and sponsors of the event. Had you personally asked the competitors for their information, then most of this thread would not exist as I don't know how anyone could be upset about getting an email in that instance.

I personally would have just deleted any unsolicited email. But I certainly would have been sending the contest organizers an email and letting them know that I did not appreciate my contact information be given out for something not specifically related to that competition.

kihrer
01-07-2012, 03:53 PM
Maybe get a drink, grab a cigar, take a deep breath.

And fire up the smoker:clap2:

To be honest, I don't care that Gene sent me an email as it is BBQ related and the content was of interest to me. I have had an email account since 1985 and out of all the unsolicited emails I have received (way too numerous to count), I wasn't offended in the least bit. That being said, something just seems weird about me being on the list. You see, I have never entered a BBQ competition. There shouldn't be a single organizer that has my email from any application. The only thing I have done so far is to send an email to the address of person associated with the Wildwood NJ contest so that I can get on the list for this year in the event that the previous years competitors don't take all the spots and that was done very recently. Maybe that was how he received my address. My feeling though is that it was most likely received from KCBS as I do have an online account with them. Based on their loose privacy policy, I suspect that is the case. If it did come from KCBS, I am not sure how I feel about this but I did agree to their terms (not that I read them until after the fact).

Bottom line is that people feel differently about receiving unsolicited email. While it may not bother me all that much, I can certainly see how it may bother others and I see no problem with them voicing their displeasure/objection. What I would like to see is for KCBS to be be a little clearer with their privacy policy and to have a check box to allow people to opt out of having their information shared with anyone. While the policy says you can opt out, there isn't any check box that I saw to easily do that. Maybe that can be fixed. Maybe it was there when I signed up but I don't remember seeing it. I have also checked to if if there is a way I can elect to opt out through the site and I can't find one (and even if they did have one "I" would probably elect to receive the info).

Now while I am not stressed about this in the least, I think I will take SirPorkaLot's advice cause it just darn good advice no matter what the situation:-D

bbqbrad
01-07-2012, 04:10 PM
OK, due to this thread I have a question. I have run 70 contest over the years and I believe short of the KCBS database I most likely have a rather large email list of teams and judges too. About 9000 of them. I built my database to let teams and judges know if there is a new contest in there area and tell them the apps are on my site to judge and cook the contest. Is is also wrong and or spam to email teams with this info?

Arlie

With contest info? No. If I go to a contest, I usually look forward to news about other contest info in my area. But If you emailed me for another reason, I would not like it. For example, If you lived in my area and were running for a local office. Sorry, that's not why I gave you my email address.

smoke-n-my-i's
01-07-2012, 04:39 PM
OK guys, I'm not friends or anything with Gene but I'm going to defend him sending unsolicited emails. And nothing unethical happened, BJ. GEESH! The man collected emails and sent what's called a CAMPAIGN message out to a very targeted audience. If you don't want it, block him or just tell him politely to remove your name from his list. It's not spam until you tell him it is, at least not to him. In 2009, I sent out weekly emails to approximately 800 people I collected from various emails, etc. that I had saved over recent years. Occasionally, I'd get a message back from someone asking to be removed. I politely acknowledged their request and immediately removed them from the mailing lists. I created a dialogue with myself and anyone who asked questions in response. Very effective. And it almost worked. I went from being a "who the hell is that?" to someone recognized across the country and fell only 51 votes short. Just because you get an unsolicited email in your inbox doesn't mean it's the end of the world. Y'all are making it sound like a crime or an inconvenience.

From:
http://spam.abuse.net/

You have probably seen an increase in the amount of "junk mail" which shows up in your email box, or on your favorite newsgroup. The activities of a small number of people are becoming a bigger problem for the Internet. We have been actively engaged in fighting spam for years. Since we presented this site to the public in 1996, we have been pleased to be referenced as one of the best anti-spam sites on the net. Help fight spam to keep the Internet useful for everyone. Take advantage of the information we've gathered to make your own experience on the Internet better.

OK guys, I'm not friends or anything with Gene but I'm going to defend him sending unsolicited emails. And nothing unethical happened, BJ. GEESH! The man collected emails and sent what's called a CAMPAIGN message out to a very targeted audience. If you don't want it, block him or just tell him politely to remove your name from his list. It's not spam until you tell him it is, at least not to him. In 2009, I sent out weekly emails to approximately 800 people I collected from various emails, etc. that I had saved over recent years. Occasionally, I'd get a message back from someone asking to be removed. I politely acknowledged their request and immediately removed them from the mailing lists. I created a dialogue with myself and anyone who asked questions in response. Very effective. And it almost worked. I went from being a "who the hell is that?" to someone recognized across the country and fell only 51 votes short. Just because you get an unsolicited email in your inbox doesn't mean it's the end of the world. Y'all are making it sound like a crime or an inconvenience.

Time for education....
http://spam.abuse.net/overview/whatisspam.shtml

What is spam?

Spam is flooding the Internet with many copies of the same message, in an attempt to force the message on people who would not otherwise choose to receive it. Most spam is commercial advertising, often for dubious products, get-rich-quick schemes, or quasi-legal services. Spam costs the sender very little to send -- most of the costs are paid for by the recipient or the carriers rather than by the sender.

Honestly, I think you could make a case for a prior relationship in that Gene is a director on a board that represents the membership of KCBS. If you are a KCBS member, he's representing you I imagine it would be difficult to say in a court of law that there was no relationship.

I would point out that he admitted that he got the email addresses from organizers and not KCBS, so therefore, in my book, he was not representing me as a director of any board... but as an individual requesting me to vote for him.... sorry, but still spam, and still lost my vote, and my wife's.....

I will post this here one time, I didn't try to get an advantage over any other candidate, I used contacts from my database in my own computer, (this means I have received an e-mail from them first) and from an organizer that I rep most of their contests, almost everyone who was contacted I have met with or coresponded with through e-mail.... there will be a few I am unsure about, most of the people who have stated that I did something underhanded to, i have an e-mail or personal knowledge of corespondence with, or have met them, I didn't go out and buy e-mail lists or get them from KCBS or look all over the internet for, i sent 2600 e-mails to those who either new me or as I said before had an in common e-mail or meeting of or with.....I hope that this clears it all up to everyone's satisfaction... I even sent many to people not involved in BBQ as most of this was sent from my regular contact list in Outlook.

I do have to say, I have a lot of respect for the others candidates running who could have slammed me on this, they were very professional and fair

Sorry if it has offended anyone....

as far as I know, I am in NC, you in CA.... to the best of my knowledge, I have NEVER contacted you to drive 4000 miles just to compete.... make this a written PUBLIC notice to remove my email address from your database, you also have gotten an email from me questioning this and as of this date, have NEVER even acknowledge it..... from last year, or this year..... so what good does it to ask to have it removed every year????

As a CIO of a college, I deal with spam issues frequently. We easily block 65% of our mail traffic as spam. But I am just curious - of those of you who were upset with receiving the email (I received it, too), how many would have been upset had that same message been delivered by snail mail?

I for one, will contact them and ask them to please remove my name, address and any contact info from their mailing list. I do this constantly and on a regular basis EVERY time I receive one.

I did not receive this eMail, but I dislike all forms of junk mail, especially compaign junk-mail. I'm even one of those jerks who takes every piece of junk mail he gets with a "receiver pays shipping" return envelope and I send it back to them as heavy and bulky as I can make it. Usually I just rip up and return to them what they sent me.

As much as I hate junk mail though, I hate spam even more. I've tried to rationalize it myself, and the best reason I've come up with is that at least when something is sent via snail-mail, the sender has to pay for it. Sending junk in eMail wastes my time and is free.

You asked....

dmp


YES.... way to go BROTHER.....
I too do this, and put others junk mail in theirs and send it to them... it called the switch and bait junk mail..... make sure you remove your contact info.... call them at their toll free number, take your time to make sure to run their bill up, then send them junk mail in return... pay back time.

Gene01
01-07-2012, 04:59 PM
as far as I know, I am in NC, you in CA.... to the best of my knowledge, I have NEVER contacted you to drive 4000 miles just to compete.... make this a written PUBLIC notice to remove my email address from your database, you also have gotten an email from me questioning this and as of this date, have NEVER even acknowledge it..... from last year, or this year..... so what good does it to ask to have it removed every year????


I have deleted you from my list, I didn't send you an e-mail to that effect as you did not want any e-mail from me.........

smoke-n-my-i's
01-07-2012, 05:03 PM
Just looked it up, it is Seaside heights NJ, I still rep that contest, it was myself and Murray Saltzman that repped one year that you were there and with Preston and myself the next.....looked it up on the results page of KCBS you were there 2 of the years that I was the rep.


YEP... a rep of KCBS using paid members dues, and paid contestants, or judges using their own expenses.... so as a KCBS rep, in my book, the emails obtained we property of the organizer AND KCBS..... and obtained as a represenatative of KCBS..... I will drop it at that and not push the issue... shady business in my book.

Just as an FYI, one of the reasons that I sent out so many e-mails even to people that I think might already vote for me is to get more members out to vote and not just for myself, we have a process that is easy to use and is under utilized, I would like to see a larger turn out even if it hurts my overall success in the election.c

again, here is his email.... where does it say he wants us to get out and vote????? All I see is his campaign to vote for him.....

I am running for the KCBS Board for another term and would appreciate your support

I want to be your voice in BBQ
I for the past 3 years have made it clear that you can call me on BBQ issues my number is (619) 600-8320 (tel:%28619%29%20600-8320), I am willing to discuss anything related to BBQ and KCBS
I eat, live and sleep BBQ, I was a competitor, I judge, I am a contest rep, I am also a judging instructor. I am retired and have the time to commit to my position on the board, I have nothing financial to gain, I am here to represent the membership as a whole
I currently am responsible for membership, membership is up 60% since I took on this duty 3 years ago.
I have an excellent voting record, I represent the membership.
I would appreciate your vote.
My phone number is: 619-600-8320 (tel:619-600-8320)
My e-mail is: ggoycochea@kcbs.us
Gene GoycocheaGENE GOYCOCHEA FOR KCBS BOARD OF DIRECTORS

MilitantSquatter
01-07-2012, 05:08 PM
Mod Request : Guys... please get this back on track.. this thread was originally about getting out to vote and has gotten way off topic and basically becoming a which hunt with the same points repeated over and over.

Let's move on please.

smoke-n-my-i's
01-07-2012, 05:33 PM
What a bunch of blown up BS. You want privacy live in a self contained silo with no outside communications. I voted for Gene and proud of it. Met him at Que by the Sea. One damn nice guy.

privacy and respect are two different things.... I consider it lack of respect, simply because he used information from various sources to try and better his field of contact to ask for votes from people that did NOT ask for his information.... that is clearly classified as spam..... a mass emailing without prior consent.

I agree. This is way blown up. He's a Brethren brother for pete's sake. It's all about bbq. What the hell. This is crap I just shake my head at. :crazy:

So, since I too am a member, my opinions and comments are ok.... and not crap.... kind of contradicting comment the way I see it.... as long as you are a Brethren, you can do what you want.... I like that philosophy..... makes it ok to be a criminal in your book... I will print that out and the next time I get stopped for speeding I will tell the law enforcement that you said since I am a Brethren, I have the right to do what I want....

OK, due to this thread I have a question. I have run 70 contest over the years and I believe short of the KCBS database I most likely have a rather large email list of teams and judges too. About 9000 of them. I built my database to let teams and judges know if there is a new contest in there area and tell them the apps are on my site to judge and cook the contest. Is is also wrong and or spam to email teams with this info?

Arlie

In my opinion, yes.... they have not asked for the info.... so if I am on the list, please remove it....

http://spam.abuse.net/overview/whatisspam.shtml
What is spam?

Spam is flooding the Internet with many copies of the same message, in an attempt to force the message on people who would not otherwise choose to receive it. Most spam is commercial advertising, often for dubious products, get-rich-quick schemes, or quasi-legal services. Spam costs the sender very little to send -- most of the costs are paid for by the recipient or the carriers rather than by the sender.

ok folks, I think I have voiced my opinion, and will get off my soapbox... you know my opinions, and I know yours.... it is respect and lack of...

the end.

Jaybird
01-07-2012, 06:28 PM
It's was only about BBQ!!!!!!!! :doh:

Red Valley BBQ
01-07-2012, 08:10 PM
It's was only about BBQ!!!!!!!! :doh:

I think this has less to do with WHAT the email was about and is more about HOW the email came to be at this point.

Jeff_in_KC
01-07-2012, 11:12 PM
You guys have lost your minds. Seriously! If you don't want an email from ANYONE, just reply to have yuour name removed. Those abuse junk sites are just a bunch of guys like the ones here who are upset who got together to try to make mountains out of mole hills and unfortunately, there's a lot of misinformation out there as to what spam actually is. It's simple really - Gene is a board member seeking re-election. You (or at least most of you) who received his message are members of the same organization and as such you have a relationship with Gene and a reason to be expected to have an interest in such an email. The only question in this entire "drama" is where he got it. I've heard he got it from KCBS (which is highly doubtful). I've heard he got it from another member of the board (very possible) and we've heard he got it from collecting addresses over the years. The first two are the only way there's any transgression committed here by anyone. Good night.

Crash
01-08-2012, 01:28 AM
Is winter over yet???? :-P

ThomEmery
01-08-2012, 08:25 AM
LOL Crash

Mornin' Wood
01-08-2012, 08:48 AM
I would have LIKED to receive Gene's email. I wish the other candidates would have spent the time to put a little more out there about themselves.

They all answered the questions, but I would have personally appreciated seeing more information (of personal interest to each individual candidate) than just the answers to specific questions.

That said, I suppose I could have sent personal emails to each of the candidates to find out the answers to MY questions, and I haven't. C'est la vie.

But I did find that by reading each of the candidates platforms (ie the answers to the KCBS questions), I felt I got a reasonable idea what each person is like, what they appreciate (BBQ-related, anyway), and how much effort I expect them to put into the position on the board, if elected. Frankly, more info would have been better.

Just my HO.

Jeff_in_KC
01-08-2012, 09:02 AM
I would have LIKED to receive Gene's email. I wish the other candidates would have spent the time to put a little more out there about themselves.

They all answered the questions, but I would have personally appreciated seeing more information (of personal interest to each individual candidate) than just the answers to specific questions.

That said, I suppose I could have sent personal emails to each of the candidates to find out the answers to MY questions, and I haven't. C'est la vie.

But I did find that by reading each of the candidates platforms (ie the answers to the KCBS questions), I felt I got a reasonable idea what each person is like, what they appreciate (BBQ-related, anyway), and how much effort I expect them to put into the position on the board, if elected. Frankly, more info would have been better.

Just my HO.

I don't disagree with you, Chuck. I probably should have sent out emails again like I did in the fall of 2009 for the January, 2010 election. I chose to use Facebook more this year than I did back then. The thing about it is, there's probably only about 2,500 to 3,000 people in KCBS (of the 14,000 members) who really give a squat about the board and anything that happens anywhere outside of the confines of a contest. If you're sending emails, your chances of hitting those people aren't great. At least with Facebook, you've got a shot at reaching a majority of those who care.

arlieque
01-08-2012, 02:42 PM
so I assume you have already been doing this and have done it many times. any complaints?

Yep I sent out 4000 one time and had a one complaint. He also said I should not have his email but yet it was all over the internet. In the end he was alright with it.

G$
01-09-2012, 08:18 AM
Is winter over yet???? :-P

Do you even HAVE winter there? :-P

And, thankfully, Winter is just about over here. Very full and early BBQ slate this year.

Spydermike72
01-09-2012, 10:28 AM
You guys have lost your minds. Seriously! If you don't want an email from ANYONE, just reply to have yuour name removed. Those abuse junk sites are just a bunch of guys like the ones here who are upset who got together to try to make mountains out of mole hills and unfortunately, there's a lot of misinformation out there as to what spam actually is. It's simple really - Gene is a board member seeking re-election. You (or at least most of you) who received his message are members of the same organization and as such you have a relationship with Gene and a reason to be expected to have an interest in such an email. The only question in this entire "drama" is where he got it. I've heard he got it from KCBS (which is highly doubtful). I've heard he got it from another member of the board (very possible) and we've heard he got it from collecting addresses over the years. The first two are the only way there's any transgression committed here by anyone. Good night.

FYI - I have no dog in this hunt but I have to agree with Jeff here, and the US Gov't agrees, from the FTC:

http://business.ftc.gov/documents/bus61-can-spam-act-compliance-guide-business

"The CAN-SPAM Act, a law that sets the rules for commercial email, establishes requirements for commercial messages, gives recipients the right to have you stop emailing them, and spells out tough penalties for violations. Despite its name, the CAN-SPAM Act doesn’t apply just to bulk email. It covers all commercial messages, which the law defines as “any electronic mail message the primary purpose of which is the commercial advertisement or promotion of a commercial product or service,” including email that promotes content on commercial websites. The law makes no exception for business-to-business email. That means all email – for example, a message to former customers announcing a new product line – must comply with the law."



So if I am reading this correctly, it has to be a commercial e-mail to be in violation of the law...

ThomEmery
01-09-2012, 03:55 PM
This thread reminds me of the guy above should be banned because.......

dmprantz
01-09-2012, 09:52 PM
make sure you remove your contact info.... call them at their toll free number, take your time to make sure to run their bill up, then send them junk mail in return... pay back time.

I want them to know that I did it. I figure it may cause them to take me off there solicitation list. What are they gonna do otherwise, spend more money to send me more junk mail so that I can have them pay again to receive it? Punish me by stop sending me junk mail?

As for the phone calls, that takes too much time and actually borders to close to FCC violations for my taste. I'm glad to take the five seconds to repackage the envelope and go about my day.

dmp

Big Poppa
01-09-2012, 10:29 PM
I already voted.

Crash
01-10-2012, 12:04 AM
Do you even HAVE winter there? :-P

And, thankfully, Winter is just about over here. Very full and early BBQ slate this year.
Heck yeah...low of 69 last night. Jacket weather.

Jeff_in_KC
01-10-2012, 08:36 AM
Heck yeah...low of 69 last night. Jacket weather.


That's just mean. :laugh:

Warthog
01-10-2012, 11:21 AM
Just get your vote in and forget about the cry babies. The vote is more important then all the crap going in this thread.

LindaM
01-10-2012, 04:15 PM
BTW, after I received the email, I forwarded it to KCBS as well as a copy to Gene.... I have not heard a word from anyone.....

I am quite sure it is a private email list that Gene has not a KCBS list he is using.

SirPorkaLot
01-10-2012, 04:37 PM
I am quite sure it is a private email list that Gene has not a KCBS list he is using.

I'm doing my best to stay out of this thread, but I can't just ignore bad (spelled incorrect) information.

The only way the particular
email the "vote for me" email came to, could have been from was
KCBS.

It is not used anywhere else, and that is exactly where my problem with this whole mess is.

That email was given to KCBS to use for any and all KCBS related business. (i have over a dozen emails accounts, for separate purposes, so I can track things like this)

The vote is certainly KCBS business. So where is problem? I didn't receive one from all candidates to the same email.

Which leads to the possibility that this one candidate had access to proprietary KCBS information (email addys) that other candidates didn't have.
Whether that is actually the case or not, is not relevant.

Jeff_in_KC
01-10-2012, 07:14 PM
I'm doing my best to stay out of this thread, but I can't just ignore bad (spelled incorrect) information.

The only way the particular
email the "vote for me" email came to, could have been from was
KCBS.

It is not used anywhere else, and that is exactly where my problem with this whole mess is.

That email was given to KCBS to use for any and all KCBS related business. (i have over a dozen emails accounts, for separate purposes, so I can track things like this)

The vote is certainly KCBS business. So where is problem? I didn't receive one from all candidates to the same email.

Which leads to the possibility that this one candidate had access to proprietary KCBS information (email addys) that other candidates didn't have.
Whether that is actually the case or not, is not relevant.

The "got it from another board member" theory is stronger. I would still doubt he got it directly from KCBS. If he did and I was not offered the same courtesy, I would be pissed!

SirPorkaLot
01-10-2012, 07:26 PM
The "got it from another board member" theory is stronger. I would still doubt he got it directly from KCBS. If he did and I was not offered the same courtesy, I would be pissed!

My point exactly.
It is just a little messy, and I hope our incoming board takes note.

Jeff_in_KC
01-10-2012, 09:34 PM
My point exactly.
It is just a little messy, and I hope our incoming board takes note.

At the very least, the privacy policy needs to be reviewed and updated as necessary.

arlieque
01-10-2012, 10:00 PM
I'm doing my best to stay out of this thread, but I can't just ignore bad (spelled incorrect) information.

The only way the particular
email the "vote for me" email came to, could have been from was
KCBS.

It is not used anywhere else, and that is exactly where my problem with this whole mess is.

That email was given to KCBS to use for any and all KCBS related business. (i have over a dozen emails accounts, for separate purposes, so I can track things like this)

The vote is certainly KCBS business. So where is problem? I didn't receive one from all candidates to the same email.

Which leads to the possibility that this one candidate had access to proprietary KCBS information (email addys) that other candidates didn't have.
Whether that is actually the case or not, is not relevant.

My guess is your email is out there to be had? I found it really quick online!

SirPorkaLot
01-10-2012, 10:21 PM
My guess is your email is out there to be had? I found it really quick online!

Lol I'm sure there are several out there.

My yahoo account I use for my website, the gmail account I use for the brethren, the 1/2 dozen work emails I have, or the one I use for competing?

I do not have an agenda or a vendetta. I have no favorite candidate and don't compete enough that it really matters. Which is why i found it so peculiar.

I'm done with sharing my concerns, and wish all the candidates the best.

I can always be contacted through PMs here, or any of the email address I may have floating out there. :becky: