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YankeeBBQ
10-27-2011, 11:23 AM
I'm Starting a new thread because I don't particularly like the title of the most active thread on this subject.

Hi Leatherhead (and all the other candidates),

I am a one issue voter. Last year, the membership voted overwhelmingly for KCBS to look into regional BOD members. I have avoided reading all the other BOD threads to wait for the offical statements in the Bullsheet, but the title of this tread caught my eye. If you or any of the other candidates state they are in favor of regional BODs, you have my vote. Hope to read your statements in the Bullsheet.

Thanks for running, Benny

I have a different approach to regional representation. I don't think assigning Board seats to specific regions is necessarily the best way to achieve good representation for all of our members. I look at it like this, the Jack has the most diverse representation of bbq teams but doesn't actually have all the best teams in the country (that's not a knock on the Jack or the people that have been invited it's just a fact). I don't want to just diversify the BOD I want it to have the best people willing and able to serve.

My idea for regional representation is for KCBS to build better relationships with organizations like NEBS, CBBQA, MABBQA, IABBQ and the list goes on. All of these organizations help organize KCBS contests, host KCBS judging classes and teach bbq classes to competitors and the general public. Perhaps some type of committee with members from each of these organizations that has a chance to submit a report at every KCBS BOD meeting. The members of the committee could be voted in be each organization however they see fit. That committee would elect it's own chairmen who would be responsible for presenting the committees report and recommendations each month at the KCBS BOD meeting.

Jeff_in_KC
10-27-2011, 11:46 AM
I'm in complete agreement with Steve on this issue and the analogy to the Jack is perfectly stated. I'm all for regional representation through KCBS affiliated committees within each regional association and having each regional association's chairperson be a part of each KCBS board meeting.

YankeeBBQ
10-27-2011, 12:00 PM
Good morning bbq people, it is time for the morning stir. I have been reading each of the replies here and one common thread keeps coming up. It all has to do with not liking something the board has done. Everyone has something that they don't like about what they have done including me. I have tried to acknowledge some of there accomplishments. I know it may be hard sometimes to see it but there has been some good things that have come from the board. Those positives need to be built on.

Of those of you running what are the positive things that you want to continue to expand on? :becky:

I like the expanded use of technology by KCBS. I think the website is a wealth of information now. I think they have a great backbone in place that we can use to improve communication between the BOD and the members. I heard that they are trying to make the website smartphone friendly which is great.

ique
10-27-2011, 12:37 PM
I like the expanded use of technology by KCBS. I think the website is a wealth of information now. I think they have a great backbone in place that we can use to improve communication between the BOD and the members. I heard that they are trying to make the website smartphone friendly which is great.

Well, as long as contest results go up at the right time :icon_blush:

Rookie'48
10-27-2011, 12:48 PM
I've been in favor of regional representation for a long time, but I'm not positive on how to do it. Possibly the local BBQ association idea is the best, I'll have to do a bit more thinking on this in the next couple of weeks.

One thing that I'd like to see is to have all rule changes / clarifications sent out as an e-mail blast to the total membership. That way everyone (cooks, judges, Reps, organizers, etc.) are on the same page at the same time. Publishing them in the Bullsheet is a great idea, but I feel that if KCBS can send an e-mail when a T-shirt is for sale then sending other notices can also be done at very little or no cost.

Slamdunkpro
10-27-2011, 01:05 PM
I've been in favor of regional representation for a long time, but I'm not positive on how to do it. Possibly the local BBQ association idea is the best, I'll have to do a bit more thinking on this in the next couple of weeks.

One thing that I'd like to see is to have all rule changes / clarifications sent out as an e-mail blast to the total membership. That way everyone (cooks, judges, Reps, organizers, etc.) are on the same page at the same time. Publishing them in the Bullsheet is a great idea, but I feel that if KCBS can send an e-mail when a T-shirt is for sale then sending other notices can also be done at very little or no cost.
The rules need an overhaul. Clarification would go a long way to resolving some of this and E-distribution would be a major plus.

Jorge
10-27-2011, 02:08 PM
The rules need an overhaul. Clarification would go a long way to resolving some of this and E-distribution would be a major plus.

Send me your thoughts, please. I started talking to several people about that in Lynchburg, after thinking about it myself for a while. I've tossed it out to Jeff, Steve, and Dave in private and got some VERY constructive criticism that I'm working on using. The idea is still too rough to present in public, but I could use some additional input to try and make it more workable and hopefully beneficial to membership.

Plowboy
10-27-2011, 07:25 PM
I'd like to see the member lists of all KCBS committees made public knowledge. The only member publicly named is the BOD chair.

Any candidates support that?

Jorge
10-27-2011, 07:37 PM
I'd like to see the member lists of all KCBS committees made public knowledge. The only member publicly named is the BOD chair.

Any candidates support that?

Without question. You willing to serve?;)

Tarheel
10-27-2011, 07:37 PM
[QUOTE=YankeeBBQ;1831148]I'm Starting a new thread because I don't particularly like the title of the most active thread on this subject.


Now what would you be refering too? I thought we were making progress and here you go changing it because you don't like it.:cry:

Some one has got to stir the pot once and a while or things will burn and get stinky.

:bow:

Plowboy
10-27-2011, 07:48 PM
Without question. You willing to serve?;)

Absolutely. As long as the BOD chairperson is willing to submit a report each month.

YankeeBBQ
10-27-2011, 08:09 PM
I'd like to see the member lists of all KCBS committees made public knowledge. The only member publicly named is the BOD chair.

Any candidates support that?

Yup. I support that 100 percent.

YankeeBBQ
10-27-2011, 08:13 PM
[QUOTE=YankeeBBQ;1831148]I'm Starting a new thread because I don't particularly like the title of the most active thread on this subject.


Now what would you be refering too? I thought we were making progress and here you go changing it because you don't like it.:cry:

Some one has got to stir the pot once and a while or things will burn and get stinky.

:bow:

I wasn't referring to your thread when I posted that but it is just as fitting. Stir away but if you want to be taken seriousl.......eh I'll just leave it at that I'm not looking to start a flame war. Carry on.

YankeeBBQ
10-27-2011, 08:15 PM
Well, as long as contest results go up at the right time :icon_blush:

I'm surprised more hasn't been posted about that. It seems to me there is an easy fix for that.

Leatherheadiowa
10-27-2011, 08:19 PM
I'd like to see the member lists of all KCBS committees made public knowledge. The only member publicly named is the BOD chair.

Any candidates support that?

I don't know of any other organization that doesn't openly publish committee members. I can't see any reason to hide anything.

KC_Bobby
10-27-2011, 08:32 PM
Sorry to interrupt - but quick question. Which current members are up for re-election? And any word if any of them are not running again.

ThomEmery
10-27-2011, 09:05 PM
Gene is the only one who can run
He told me he would seek reelection

Rookie'48
10-27-2011, 09:09 PM
I'd like to see the member lists of all KCBS committees made public knowledge. The only member publicly named is the BOD chair.
Any candidates support that?

Absolutely! That's something that should have been cured long ago. That and the infamous "No Report" :mad2:.

Jeff_in_KC
10-27-2011, 09:52 PM
Sorry to interrupt - but quick question. Which current members are up for re-election? And any word if any of them are not running again.

I believe Mike Budai is the only member who is up for re-election as he's finished out the partial term he had. The three leaving the board are Wayne Lohman, Merl Whitebook and Don Harwell.

Jeff_in_KC
10-27-2011, 09:55 PM
I'd like to see the member lists of all KCBS committees made public knowledge. The only member publicly named is the BOD chair.

Any candidates support that?

Absolutely support it! I would also rather see the board member be a liason to the committee he serves rather than the chair. Let members head the committees and run with it but report to a specific board member. This makes it to where powers are more spread out and no one gets too much of it. :thumb: Maybe a long term goal because that's a big change but I think in the long run, more beneficial to KCBS and the members.

KC_Bobby
10-27-2011, 10:01 PM
Gene is the only one who can run
He told me he would seek reelection

It's been 3 years for Gene already?

Tarheel
10-28-2011, 08:56 AM
[quote=Tarheel;1831786]

I wasn't referring to your thread when I posted that but it is just as fitting. Stir away but if you want to be taken seriousl.......eh I'll just leave it at that I'm not looking to start a flame war. Carry on.

I find this very interesting as others reading these post should as well. Part of the pot stiring process is to get things off the bottom and see what comes to the top.

Something I and others have just learned about you is that you don't like to partisipate in things that you did not create or don't like. Anyone can go to the other post and see you only commented once in each of them and both had less than a positive tone about them. Yet you choose to cut post from both of them and paste them on the one you created and respond to them here rather than on the other two threads.

Your fellow running mates were partisipating in those post as well as others in a very positive direction. And I feel like they were taking it seriously. You see I am not the one who has to be taken seriously here because I am not running for the board, you are. You have managed to take something that was building momentum in a positive way and slow it down again. Don't be an energy vampire Steve just because you don't like what it is called. We have seen that happen to many times on the board already.

You need to learn to go with the flow of positive energy where ever it is. It makes no diffrence what it is called or who produced if it is producing positive results. :-D So get on the bus Steve and ride the energy wave.

Have a wonderful day:becky:

YankeeBBQ
10-28-2011, 09:12 AM
[quote=YankeeBBQ;1831824]

I find this very interesting as others reading these post should as well. Part of the pot stiring process is to get things off the bottom and see what comes to the top.

Something I and others have just learned about you is that you don't like to partisipate in things that you did not create or don't like. Anyone can go to the other post and see you only commented once in each of them and both had less than a positive tone about them. Yet you choose to cut post from both of them and paste them on the one you created and respond to them here rather than on the other two threads.

Your fellow running mates were partisipating in those post as well as others in a very positive direction. And I feel like they were taking it seriously. You see I am not the one who has to be taken seriously here because I am not running for the board, you are. You have managed to take something that was building momentum in a positive way and slow it down again. Don't be an energy vampire Steve just because you don't like what it is called. We have seen that happen to many times on the board already.

You need to learn to go with the flow of positive energy where ever it is. It makes no diffrence what it is called or who produced if it is producing positive results. :-D So get on the bus Steve and ride the energy wave.

Have a wonderful day:becky:
Or maybe I showed that if I don't like something I'm not just going to sit back and go with the flow as you say. I'm going to do something about it. I'm not looking to just hop on the bus I'm trying to change its direction. Thank you so much for pointing that out.

Tarheel
10-28-2011, 09:39 AM
[quote=Tarheel;1832127]
Or maybe I showed that if I don't like something I'm not just going to sit back and go with the flow as you say. I'm going to do something about if. I'm not looking to just hop on the bus I'm tying to change its direction. Thank you so much for pointing that out.

I think you missed the point here. If it is headed in a positive direction why would you want to change that direction just because you don't like it? :shock:

YankeeBBQ
10-28-2011, 09:56 AM
[quote=YankeeBBQ;1832143]

I think you missed the point here. If it is headed in a positive direction why would you want to change that direction just because you don't like it? :shock:

I guess I'll have to explain it to you. I was using the bus as a metaphor for the KCBS. Stir away :boxing:

sitnfat
10-28-2011, 10:45 AM
I just want to know who is for pork collar so I know who not to vote for!:biggrin1:

bover
10-29-2011, 08:29 AM
Absolutely support it! I would also rather see the board member be a liason to the committee he serves rather than the chair. Let members head the committees and run with it but report to a specific board member. This makes it to where powers are more spread out and no one gets too much of it. :thumb: Maybe a long term goal because that's a big change but I think in the long run, more beneficial to KCBS and the members.

I'm surprised that this isn't the system by default. It's really the only logical design.

Gene01
10-29-2011, 03:10 PM
I am running for reelection, I am the only member who is eligble, the others coming off have already served (2) two terms and have to wait out a minimum of 1 year to run again if they so choose.

Gene01
10-29-2011, 03:15 PM
I am of the hopes that whoever is elected to the Board, that they can retain their ideals throughout their term, I hope that the new Board can all do what is best for the membership as a whole, I stand behind my votes and believe that every one of them was for the membership.

I sell nothing and have nothing to gain financially through the Board or BBQ in general, I just love the BBQ world. I have enjoyed my time as a cook, judge, rep, BBQ judging instructor and as a board member..



I hope that you will all vote for me again

ThomEmery
10-29-2011, 09:24 PM
It's been 3 years for Gene already?

;0) Affirmative

Funtimebbq
10-30-2011, 01:24 AM
Sorry Gene,

Your conflict of interest by being on two BBQ BoDs this year, causing you to abstain from voting on CA issues will result in me not voting for you this year. However, if you focus your attention to KCBS only, you have my vote.

Benny

Gene01
10-30-2011, 02:05 AM
actually, I have already stated that I will not run in California...

Plowboy
10-30-2011, 10:22 AM
Absolutely support it! I would also rather see the board member be a liason to the committee he serves rather than the chair. Let members head the committees and run with it but report to a specific board member. This makes it to where powers are more spread out and no one gets too much of it. :thumb: Maybe a long term goal because that's a big change but I think in the long run, more beneficial to KCBS and the members.

If you think about it, supporters of regional representation (which I'm not at the BOD level), would be pushing for representation within the committees. Would you rather have one BOD member or one per committee, however many there are?

LostNation
10-30-2011, 11:06 AM
I just re-joined KCBS to vote for the "Fab Four", good luck Steve, George, Jeff and Dave. You all have my votes.

Tarheel
10-31-2011, 08:44 AM
I am of the hopes that whoever is elected to the Board, that they can retain their ideals throughout their term, I hope that the new Board can all do what is best for the membership as a whole, I stand behind my votes and believe that every one of them was for the membership.

I sell nothing and have nothing to gain financially through the Board or BBQ in general, I just love the BBQ world. I have enjoyed my time as a cook, judge, rep, BBQ judging instructor and as a board member..



I hope that you will all vote for me again

Gene, my question for you then would be did you not act as a orginizer for the Sams club? Did you not find that to be a conflict of intrest since the board votes on MMA's contract every year and then MMA in turn assigns those positions to board members.

Gene01
10-31-2011, 01:30 PM
I actually was not originally one of the MMA/Sam's event organizers, I filled in for Arlie who was sick at the time and could not attend this event as the organizer... I was filling in for him....... as far as I know, the attorneys determined that this was not a conflict, Sam's only wanted people (Board Members) who had the best interest of KCBS and Sam's Club at heart, there was also a requirement that the Organizers had the experience of 10 contests (successful) or more under their belt, that really limits the field....

bbqbull
10-31-2011, 01:33 PM
I just re-joined KCBS to vote for the "Fab Four", good luck Steve, George, Jeff and Dave. You all have my votes.

Ditto. :thumb:

Jeff_in_KC
10-31-2011, 04:59 PM
I actually was not originally one of the MMA/Sam's event organizers, I filled in for Arlie who was sick at the time and could not attend this event as the organizer... I was filling in for him....... as far as I know, the attorneys determined that this was not a conflict, Sam's only wanted people (Board Members) who had the best interest of KCBS and Sam's Club at heart, there was also a requirement that the Organizers had the experience of 10 contests (successful) or more under their belt, that really limits the field....

Gene, you may have filled in because Arlie was sick but it's funny that it was another board member who "got the job". By the way, which Sam's event was it?

I think the requirement of ten "successful" contests is a bit much anyway. I have no doubt there are organizers with five or more years experience that could have done a heck of a job.

My apologies on the information I was given. Was told it was Mike Budai who was up for re-election.

nukenight
10-31-2011, 05:16 PM
There are some regional or state BBQ organizations that follow under more than one sanctioning body. Here is Louisiana, KCBS contests are in the strong minority. Why would I want to send the KCBS board a report on anything? If you want the KCBS-dominated local or regional groups to have some kind of representation within the structure of KCBS that is fine. In fact, that is a good idea all by itself. However, what about places where KCBS and its contests are in the minority? I think regional board spots make sense in that case. The old rule of thumb about KCBS is very true: the farther you are from KCMO, the less they care about you. Well friends, we are along way from KCMO......

Jeff_in_KC
10-31-2011, 05:38 PM
There are some regional or state BBQ organizations that follow under more than one sanctioning body. Here is Louisiana, KCBS contests are in the strong minority. Why would I want to send the KCBS board a report on anything? If you want the KCBS-dominated local or regional groups to have some kind of representation within the structure of KCBS that is fine. In fact, that is a good idea all by itself. However, what about places where KCBS and its contests are in the minority? I think regional board spots make sense in that case. The old rule of thumb about KCBS is very true: the farther you are from KCMO, the less they care about you. Well friends, we are along way from KCMO......

I don't find this to be the case at all. I've been to contests all over the country with the exception of the northeast and northwest and found great events with quality reps and lots of happy teams. I cannot agree that no one cares if you are farther from KC. Now in areas where KCBS is overshadowed by other sanctioning bodies (such as the IBCA in Texas and Louisiana), you may be right. But it's not that KCBS doesn't care - it's more a matter of gaining a foothold there. My idea is not to have specifically members of a regional BBQ organization be members of a committee. It could be anyone but most likely there would be members of other associations who would serve KCBS as well. And they would not send reports to KCBS as the other organizations. It would be a KCBS committee.

Tarheel
10-31-2011, 06:49 PM
I actually was not originally one of the MMA/Sam's event organizers, I filled in for Arlie who was sick at the time and could not attend this event as the organizer... I was filling in for him....... as far as I know, the attorneys determined that this was not a conflict, Sam's only wanted people (Board Members) who had the best interest of KCBS and Sam's Club at heart, there was also a requirement that the Organizers had the experience of 10 contests (successful) or more under their belt, that really limits the field....

Gene, I didn't know you were just filling in. Did you get the money too? I hear the part about the lawyer determining there was nothing wrong. I just find it hard to believe that when you vote on a companys contract and that company comes back and gives you a paid position that it is not a conflict of intrest. And I think there were some on the board that had reservations about it as well. I think that is the main reason the job of selecting was given to MMA.

Jeff_in_KC
10-31-2011, 10:48 PM
I just re-joined KCBS to vote for the "Fab Four", good luck Steve, George, Jeff and Dave. You all have my votes.

Thank you, Rich! It was great visiting with you in Lynchburg!

Plowboy
10-31-2011, 11:02 PM
The old rule of thumb about KCBS is very true: the farther you are from KCMO, the less they care about you. Well friends, we are along way from KCMO......


I think members outside of Kansas City WANT to believe that... and at one time, it was probably true. I don't think it has been for a few years now.

ique
11-01-2011, 07:23 AM
I think members outside of Kansas City WANT to believe that... and at one time, it was probably true. I don't think it has been for a few years now.

I agree, now as long as your check clears every thing is cool.


:wink::wink::wink:

bover
11-01-2011, 07:30 AM
Gene, I didn't know you were just filling in. Did you get the money too? I hear the part about the lawyer determining there was nothing wrong. I just find it hard to believe that when you vote on a companys contract and that company comes back and gives you a paid position that it is not a conflict of intrest. And I think there were some on the board that had reservations about it as well. I think that is the main reason the job of selecting was given to MMA.

The simple fact that the attorneys even needed to be consulted should have been a very obvious sign that it shouldn't be pursued. Legality is one thing...integrity is another. The whole thing stinks and I'm really looking forward to seeing some new blood on the BoD in 2012.

ThomEmery
11-01-2011, 08:42 AM
I'm Starting a new thread because I don't particularly like the title of the most active thread on this subject.



I have a different approach to regional representation. I don't think assigning Board seats to specific regions is necessarily the best way to achieve good representation for all of our members. I look at it like this, the Jack has the most diverse representation of bbq teams but doesn't actually have all the best teams in the country (that's not a knock on the Jack or the people that have been invited it's just a fact). I don't want to just diversify the BOD I want it to have the best people willing and able to serve.

My idea for regional representation is for KCBS to build better relationships with organizations like NEBS, CBBQA, MABBQA, IABBQ and the list goes on. All of these organizations help organize KCBS contests, host KCBS judging classes and teach bbq classes to competitors and the general public. Perhaps some type of committee with members from each of these organizations that has a chance to submit a report at every KCBS BOD meeting. The members of the committee could be voted in be each organization however they see fit. That committee would elect it's own chairmen who would be responsible for presenting the committees report and recommendations each month at the KCBS BOD meeting.

Interesting idea
How would that work on a practical level?
What types of committee work would be done locally?

Here in California there was a difficult time last year over
KCBS not sanctioning a second contest in the same weekend
PNWBBQA ended up sanctioning the second one
Both ended up being very successful
(This was the Vegas weekend and why Smoke on the Water didn't see a huge team count)

Maybe a committee would have been able to communicate
that we can do two in one weekend now

Jorge
11-01-2011, 10:34 AM
There are some regional or state BBQ organizations that follow under more than one sanctioning body. Here is Louisiana, KCBS contests are in the strong minority. Why would I want to send the KCBS board a report on anything? If you want the KCBS-dominated local or regional groups to have some kind of representation within the structure of KCBS that is fine. In fact, that is a good idea all by itself. However, what about places where KCBS and its contests are in the minority? I think regional board spots make sense in that case. The old rule of thumb about KCBS is very true: the farther you are from KCMO, the less they care about you. Well friends, we are along way from KCMO......

Being from Texas, and running for the board, I understand your point. I started competition cooking in IBCA. I think there are some similarities, and advantages that each offer.

The simple fact in Texas and Louisiana is that price point is a barrier for KCBS. Cooking IBCA, LSBS, or TGCBCA offers a "value". Entry fee is lower, you cook three meats instead of four, etc... This past year, I cooked with some well know KCBS cooks in Irving and we had more fun than I'd had in years and one thing I heard was that it was a lot like KCBS used to be. That didn't mean better or worse, but different.

At the end of the day, in terms of competition bbq, KCBS is a sanctioning organization that provides a service. It takes an organizer to make a contest happen. If organizers from a particular area don't approach KCBS for sanctioning, there is no growth in that region. If the teams and judges will support a contest the opportunity for growth is there. It's all about demand, and from what I'm told from friends in AR, LA, and TX that level of interest is growing. I think that is good for everyone. Including sanctioning bodies in Texas. Some of the best cooks I know, cook in multiple organizations and I think it contributes to making them better and that is good for everyone.

I don't think it's a matter of KCBS not caring, I think it's a matter of KCBS not having many opportunities to show the love.:becky:

YankeeBBQ
11-01-2011, 12:59 PM
Interesting idea
How would that work on a practical level?
What types of committee work would be done locally?

Here in California there was a difficult time last year over
KCBS not sanctioning a second contest in the same weekend
PNWBBQA ended up sanctioning the second one
Both ended up being very successful
(This was the Vegas weekend and why Smoke on the Water didn't see a huge team count)

Maybe a committee would have been able to communicate
that we can do two in one weekend now

Honestly I don't have the details worked out but I think it's a workable solution. KCBS also needs to be careful not to go to One individual in an area, that leads to cronyism and distrust in my opinion. It needs to be a group of people who can build a consensus.

Rookie'48
11-01-2011, 02:45 PM
Honestly I don't have the details worked out but I think it's a workable solution. KCBS also needs to be careful not to go to One individual in an area, that leads to cronyism and distrust in my opinion. It needs to be a group of people who can build a consensus.

Yes! We need to open up a dialog with each of the other groups. A dialog where we (the KCBS) are willing to listen to what the rest of the BBQ world wants and what they have to say. Just because they aren't from downtown Kansas City doesn't mean that they don't have some good ideas or valid complaints.

I want to hear what ideas they have. I might not agree with some, most or all of them - but I do want to hear them!

Gene01
11-01-2011, 11:40 PM
Gene, I didn't know you were just filling in. Did you get the money too? I hear the part about the lawyer determining there was nothing wrong. I just find it hard to believe that when you vote on a companys contract and that company comes back and gives you a paid position that it is not a conflict of intrest. And I think there were some on the board that had reservations about it as well. I think that is the main reason the job of selecting was given to MMA.


First off, MMA has a multi year contract, they were already in as they were bringing in good money for KCBS and nobody wanting to end something that was working, 2. the requirement for the 10 contests was not unreasonable, they wanted someone who could walk into any situation and be able to fix it, a newer organizer may or may not have delt with too many situations and could probably fix almost anything near home, it is when you are freestyling in an ara where you cannot call your friends to help you out.

Gene01
11-01-2011, 11:42 PM
Gene, you may have filled in because Arlie was sick but it's funny that it was another board member who "got the job". By the way, which Sam's event was it?

I think the requirement of ten "successful" contests is a bit much anyway. I have no doubt there are organizers with five or more years experience that could have done a heck of a job.

My apologies on the information I was given. Was told it was Mike Budai who was up for re-election.
Jeff, the contest that I worked for Arlie was in Austin Texas, a shortage of teams, a shortage of judges,it all worked out well though, even 6 inches of rain in 3 hours the day before..

swamprb
11-02-2011, 07:48 AM
I'm a PNWBA Board member up for relection and also a dues paying KCBS member.
When I got interested in BBQ in 2006, Jim Minion was a KCBS BOD member Western BBQ Assn. President, so the talk of Regional representation has caught my attention.

2011 saw more local KCBS events in PNWBA Land than the last few years combined and I for one would like to see more. Speaking for myself I could care less if the event I'm cooking is KCBS or PNWBA as long as there is an open line of communication, and that seems to be the problem with KCBS sanctioned events in the Northwest. Organizers think they are getting a "World Class BBQ event with KCBS when all they are really getting is some CBJ's and the scoring system. They don't do a good job of getting the word out to cooks and judges. The Reps that are in charge are some of the BEST, but its not their job to promote the events and they seem to bear the burdens.
Most CBJ's around here are both KCBS & PNWBA trained but it seems very few if any pay attention to the Bullsheet or Calendar and instead use the PNWBA Forums for their info.

...so on that note, I would like to encourage anyone running for a KCBS position to stop in on the PNWBA Forum, introduce yourself and tap into an organization with over 800 members and has been around since 1991 and still growing.

History of the PNWBA

The Pacific Northwest Barbecue Association is a non-profit organization dedicated to the promotion and enjoyment of barbecue in the Northwest.The PNWBA is committed to educating the public in the furtherance and development of authentic barbecue knowledge through cooking classes, judging classes, and competition barbecue cooking events. Our organization is managed by a Board of Directors who are made up completely with volunteers. It was formed in 1991 by a group of Northwestern barbecuers. Over the years it has grown from 20 members to over 800 internationally. The PNWBA publishes a news letter called Drippings from the Pit. This publication reaches it's 800 plus members informing them about the world of BBQ in our region. Since it's beginnings the PNWBA has been putting on BBQ contests from as far north as Whistler, British Columbia and south to Oregon and east to Saskatoon, Saskatchewan. Included among these events are many state and provincial championships. The winners/grand champions of these BBQ contests are qualified to be invited to cook at national and world championship events. Among these are the American Royal, the Jack Daniels World Invitational Championship Barbecue Contest, the Great American and several others. At these contests our cooks have gone head to head and grill to grill with the world best cooks and brought home the gold. The ranks of the PNWBA include the finest cooks in the world bar none. These events have been widely attended by the public in the upwards of 20,000 people. Also it has raised money for charitable events and good causes all around the Northwest.
Each year the Association hosts BBQ cooking and competition judging classes to educate the public and pass on the culinary art of barbecue cooking. Some of the teachers of these classes include BBQ Guru's Smoky Hale, Paul Kirk the Kansas City Baron of BBQ, Ray Lampe AKA Dr. BBQ, Myron Mixon of Jack's old South fame, Tony Stone and Merle Ellis, including our very own All Star Pitmasters. Our All Star Pitmasters class covers the cooking of chicken, rib, beef brisket and pork butt as well as BBQ theory. Graduates of our Pitmaster's classes have gone on to be national and world champs or just darn good backyard BBQ chefs.
As the PNWBA has evolved and grown so has the world of competition BBQ. It is now seen on national TV, in news papers, magazines and many cook books. It is championed by BBQ evangelists like Rick Browne and Steve Raichlen. Contests are growing into huge multimedia events with the prize money up to $35,000. The Pacific Northwest Barbecue Association is also rising to the challenge by putting on bigger and better public friendly events with the focus being on the cooks (the back bone of the association). The future is now, so let's cook!!!

I'm also a CBBQA Member and forum lurker!

Tarheel
11-02-2011, 09:18 AM
First off, MMA has a multi year contract, they were already in as they were bringing in good money for KCBS and nobody wanting to end something that was working, 2. the requirement for the 10 contests was not unreasonable, they wanted someone who could walk into any situation and be able to fix it, a newer organizer may or may not have Dealt with too many situations and could probably fix almost anything near home, it is when you are freestyling in an are where you cannot call your friends to help you out.

Gene, it is very clear that MMA has done a tremendous amount of good work for the KCBS and has taken us to a new level and is well worth what we are paying them. The sams club insure is over but the perception of wrong doing is still there and will be there. There were other people that could have done the job. A multi year contract does not negate the conflict of interest.

I do however think that we are not protected as well as we should be with MMA when it comes to non compete. MMA has the ability to and is currently from what I understand participating in ventures that are very similar to what we are doing with the road show and with some of the same sponsors. Is that true?

I know that you have heard my rants at the board meetings before and I am sure some of you think I am a trouble maker about different things and I am simply trying to get some things out in the open with this. It is not a personal attack on you. I have told Candy before I will hold your (the board) feet to the fire on occasion with things and I will tell you what I think and what my opinion is. We all have them you know. :becky:

Jeff_in_KC
11-02-2011, 02:52 PM
First off, MMA has a multi year contract, they were already in as they were bringing in good money for KCBS and nobody wanting to end something that was working, 2. the requirement for the 10 contests was not unreasonable, they wanted someone who could walk into any situation and be able to fix it, a newer organizer may or may not have delt with too many situations and could probably fix almost anything near home, it is when you are freestyling in an ara where you cannot call your friends to help you out.

Gene, I will give you somewhat of a break on this because knowing the extreme shortage of KCBS events in the state of Texas, it might have been very difficult to locate an organizer with ties to the area that could make everything happen. That being said, you are not from the area and according to you anyway, everything worked out so I'm thinking any quality organizer in the midwest could have accomplished the same thing. I am rather disappointed that ten years of experience was required. Stan Hays, a member here, the person who puts on the contest with me here in Pleasant Hill, is now in his fifth year or organizing and he used to live in Austin. Now I wouldn't expect MMA or the board to know that but I guarantee you that if hired, Stan could have returned to Austin, made some additional contacts and pulled off an incredible contest. But we'll never know because no one opened it up to others and once again, a board member benefitted from his position on the board.

ThomEmery
11-02-2011, 03:32 PM
Jeff the Sam's Organizer jobs were open
Some were run by non BoD members
with less than 10 years experience organizing

Plowboy
11-02-2011, 06:38 PM
Jeff the Sam's Organizer jobs were open
Some were run by non BoD members
with less than 10 years experience organizing

Define open. Was there an at large communication and casting call to organizers?

Tarheel
11-03-2011, 08:01 AM
Gene, I will give you somewhat of a break on this because knowing the extreme shortage of KCBS events in the state of Texas, it might have been very difficult to locate an organizer with ties to the area that could make everything happen. That being said, you are not from the area and according to you anyway, everything worked out so I'm thinking any quality organizer in the midwest could have accomplished the same thing. I am rather disappointed that ten years of experience was required. Stan Hays, a member here, the person who puts on the contest with me here in Pleasant Hill, is now in his fifth year or organizing and he used to live in Austin. Now I wouldn't expect MMA or the board to know that but I guarantee you that if hired, Stan could have returned to Austin, made some additional contacts and pulled off an incredible contest. But we'll never know because no one opened it up to others and once again, a board member benefited from his position on the board.

Jeff, I quoted yours but this will also answer some of the others as well. I don't remember exactly how I found out or how it was announced but it was open. You had to submit a resume and a list of events you wanted to organize. I got a letter back from MMA that said I was on the short list that they had numerous applicants with more experience. I couldn't argue with that about the ones I had applied for because Jerry Garnder ended up with them and he is a very good one.

Maybe it could have been more advertised, don't know.

ThomEmery
11-03-2011, 08:35 AM
Define open. Was there an at large communication and casting call to organizers?


I and a few friends who run contests got an email asking us to pick a date and apply
I asked for the Fort Worth date, having family in that area.
MMA went with Ronnie for that one

Gene01
11-03-2011, 12:10 PM
it was open, an e-mail was sent to KCBS organizers withthe qualifications required, the 10 events required by Sam's cut most out.... time away from (regular jobs) probably took out most though...

Plowboy
11-03-2011, 03:35 PM
it was open, an e-mail was sent to KCBS organizers withthe qualifications required, the 10 events required by Sam's cut most out.... time away from (regular jobs) probably took out most though...

Jeff, I assume you got that mail?

Jeff_in_KC
11-04-2011, 07:32 PM
Jeff, I assume you got that mail?
Why no, I did not. :doh:

Gene01
11-04-2011, 08:53 PM
we the Board were told that all event organizers wold get this notice, I know of many who did, it was also on the website for a couple of weeks...

Jeff_in_KC
11-05-2011, 01:30 AM
I can tell you it didn't happen that way. Too bad too. Would have been a nice reward to some great organizers we have across the country that have done a lot to promote barbecue in their areas and the KCBS in general. Hopefully that will be kept in mind as the next season of Sam's Club events is announced.

drbbq
11-05-2011, 08:57 AM
I have a couple questions for the candidates.

Did you watch the video of Carolyn accepting Tuffy's apparently late entry at Lakeland?
Do you think she planned on DQing it when she left that turn in room?
Would you have the nads to hold her accountable?

Jorge
11-05-2011, 09:40 AM
I have a couple questions for the candidates.

Did you watch the video of Carolyn accepting Tuffy's apparently late entry at Lakeland?
Do you think she planned on DQing it when she left that turn in room?
Would you have the nads to hold her accountable?

Yes. Don't know. Yes.

Jeff_in_KC
11-05-2011, 01:08 PM
I have a couple questions for the candidates.

Did you watch the video of Carolyn accepting Tuffy's apparently late entry at Lakeland?
Do you think she planned on DQing it when she left that turn in room?
Would you have the nads to hold her accountable?

I did not yet see it. I don't know where to find it but would like to. To answer your other questions, I cannot speak to what her intentions were but if I was another Rep or a board member seeing this, I would hold her accountable no doubt. Playing by ALL of the rules has to start at the top, whomever is sitting in that position. I mean seriously, what's the worst? You get blackballed and ousted because you made the proper decision and wanted the rules enforced equally for all? If that was the case and I was blackballed or ousted, why would I want to be a member of that kind of organization anyway? As a board member, you have to live up to your belief in what's right and doing the right thing, no matter who you find is not. That's not a knock on Carolyn because, like I've said, I have'nt seen the video and I'm not familiar with all of the details of what happened. It's just speaking in general to those kinds of situations.

Leatherheadiowa
11-05-2011, 02:24 PM
I have a couple questions for the candidates.

Did you watch the video of Carolyn accepting Tuffy's apparently late entry at Lakeland?
Do you think she planned on DQing it when she left that turn in room?
Would you have the nads to hold her accountable?
As a candidate I did watch the video and the video reminds me of a really good horror movie. You are cheering for the person to get to the turn in, the officials are right there standing over the clock, and as time expires the cook is late... From the video you would swear that the rep turned a blind eye and decided to take the entry. I hope that she decided to do the right thing based on the rules and not the fact that it was being recorded.
I do believe that she planned on DQ'ing the entry but had the entire incident been caught on video I am unsure of what would, or wouldn't have happened. My reasoning isn't because of who the rep was but how easy it would have been for her to look away. The other issue is the fact that she had to make a decision that inturn affected a very predominant cook.
If she had not DQ'd the entry and this video makes the rounds then KCBS has a whole new problem and an entirely new watchdog group with cameras recording turn ins at every contest.
If elected to the board I would make an example out of anyone that obviously defies the rules set forth whether they are a judge, rep, or cook.
I think that the big thing learned here is that Carolyn is a GOOD rep and this video should be a tool to show everyone that NOBODY is immune to rules, no matter how well known or new you are to competing. Kudos to Carolyn!:clap2:

YankeeBBQ
11-05-2011, 04:45 PM
Yes. Doubtful. Yes

Jorge
11-05-2011, 05:56 PM
I have a couple questions for the candidates.

Did you watch the video of Carolyn accepting Tuffy's apparently late entry at Lakeland?
Do you think she planned on DQing it when she left that turn in room?
Would you have the nads to hold her accountable?

I gave a pretty short answer this morning, because I hadn't had a lot of sleep due some wound up dogs:doh:

Question 1: Having seen the video, I think it was late and accepted.

Question 3: I would. That was an error, that has raised some questions. KCBS sells a service, and I understand that mistakes will be made. That being said there needs to be some accountability regardless of who is involved.

Question 2: Is more difficult. I've heard some of the same rumors that others have. I can't make a fair decision based on rumors. I need information and evidence. What I may, or may not, suspect is irrelevant if elected.

Jeff_in_KC
11-06-2011, 12:08 PM
If elected to the board I would make an example out of anyone that obviously defies the rules set forth whether they are a judge, rep, or cook.

People LOVE to have examples made of themselves.

Candy Sue
11-07-2011, 11:34 AM
This is from the rules. It was put in place to keep qualifying contests with the required team counts in categories:

CLARIFICATION: If product is turned in and is disqualified, it
receives a one (1) in all criteria. If the team does not turn in
a product or is disqualified and not allowed to turn in, that
team’s category is not judged and receives no score. If a
product is turned in and then disqualified for late turn in,
no bone in ribs, etc., it is not judged and will receive a one
(1) in all criteria.

The problem with Lakeland was that Carolyn took the box without telling Tuffy it was DQed and would be given 1's based on the rule above. He thought he skated through on the late turn in, as evidenced by his interview on another video.

In my opinion, the right result at the contest occurred. End of story!

YankeeBBQ
11-07-2011, 02:57 PM
This is from the rules. It was put in place to keep qualifying contests with the required team counts in categories:

CLARIFICATION: If product is turned in and is disqualified, it
receives a one (1) in all criteria. If the team does not turn in
a product or is disqualified and not allowed to turn in, that
team’s category is not judged and receives no score. If a
product is turned in and then disqualified for late turn in,
no bone in ribs, etc., it is not judged and will receive a one
(1) in all criteria.


The problem with Lakeland was that Carolyn took the box without telling Tuffy it was DQed and would be given 1's based on the rule above. He thought he skated through on the late turn in, as evidenced by his interview on another video.

In my opinion, the right result at the contest occurred. End of story!
Obviously it's not the end of the story if people are still talking about it. Are you saying Carolyn accepted the box to keep the team count up ? There were 66 teams in that contest so turning Tuffy away would not have affected anybody's chance of getting into the Royal or Jack. Why did you bring up team count ? Do you think Carolyn should have told Tuffy he was late on the spot ? I Do. Either his turn in was late or it wasn't and that decision is made at turn in time not 1 minute 5 minutes 20 minutes or an hour later after you realize there was a video of the late entry. Should the rep (Carolyn) have been reprimanded ? Probably. If it wasn't Carolyn Wells would it have been a different story ? I'm not saying Carolyn should have been suspended from being a rep but she should have made a public apology and admitted she made a mistake by not dq'ing the entry on the spot. I know Tuffy would never ask for such a thing but that's not really the point.

Jorge
11-07-2011, 03:16 PM
This is from the rules. It was put in place to keep qualifying contests with the required team counts in categories:

CLARIFICATION: If product is turned in and is disqualified, it
receives a one (1) in all criteria. If the team does not turn in
a product or is disqualified and not allowed to turn in, that
teamís category is not judged and receives no score. If a
product is turned in and then disqualified for late turn in,
no bone in ribs, etc., it is not judged and will receive a one
(1) in all criteria.


The problem with Lakeland was that Carolyn took the box without telling Tuffy it was DQed and would be given 1's based on the rule above. He thought he skated through on the late turn in, as evidenced by his interview on another video.

In my opinion, the right result at the contest occurred. End of story!

I'm not trying to stir the pot, but the entry is late or it isn't. The video in this case is pretty clear. Tuffy should have been told that at the time. That error could cast a shadow on the credibility of the service that KCBS offers.

YankeeBBQ
11-09-2011, 08:16 AM
bump