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ZwolleQ
08-17-2011, 10:45 PM
I asked this question in the cattle call forum (because Im new to the forums) but maybe this is a better place.

Im wondering if we have a small team that maybe only competes 1,2, 3 at the most times a year if or what the benefit would be in joining something like KCBS. Is it worth it for us or since we really dont compete alot is it something we really dont need. What are the benefits? Just curious. The one for sure competition we get in is KCBS so thats what we would join.. Im all for it if it helps the association or others. Just wondering what the benifits would be or if we should just remain "amateurs"


Thanks!!

Patrick

Jeff_in_KC
08-17-2011, 11:15 PM
Patrick, this question is asked often even by those of us who have been KCBS members a long time. Some folks decide they don't see the value and don't renew. In fact, to be honest, due to a couple of frustrations and incidents, I had been on the bubble about renewing until the last few days and my renewal is due August 31. The truth is, if you're looking for tangible benefits, you might be hard pressed to find a lot, depending on what's important to you. On the most basic level, many contests are now asking for KCBS member numbers and require them to enter. I've seen the request for my member number on more contest entry forms in the last two years than I did in four years prior. It could be the ones you want to cook might now or in the future ask for a membership number. The Bullsheet monthly newspaper is another benefit. It's improving a bit. There's getting to be more informative and entertaining things in there. I think they have a long way to go yet. I wish I could be the editor. I've got some good ideas but whatever... I fully expect print news to go by the wayside one day anyway. You now also have to be a member to access a lot of the areas on the KCBS Web site. There are discounts, some of which, such as hotels, you can get anywhere. Others are specially negotiated discounts exclusive to KCBS members. Again, they could do much better but Mike and MMA are making it better over time too. For me, it's a couple of things I'd say are more intangible. One is consistency. I know that I can go to Alabama, California or Minnesota and the ground rules under which we all play will be the same. I can also compete in any number of contests right around Kansas City and know the rules are the same. I know what to expect and I know pretty much what the judges are trained to look for. In addition, KCBS makes certain that contest organizers pay out in prize money what they say they will. Because we pay membership fees, KCBS is able to ensure all of this. That I like. The other thing is because of KCBS being in existence, I have many, many, many close friends that I would never have known had it not been for Gary and Carolyn's vision when they founded KCBS 25 years ago. That in itself is something I value very highly and as such will always pay to renew, regardless of my frustrations. You will hear people say they won't support an organization with the problems that KCBS has. Truth be told, any organization will eventually have some sort of problems. Personally, I'd rather stick around to see even better days and be a part of it.

That's my soapbox about the value of joining KCBS. Take it for what it's worth - which may not be much. LOL!

boogiesnap
08-17-2011, 11:23 PM
i'm not paying to be a member.

the slice of pie they take from my entry fee is enough.

pay to the brethren. you'll get ALOT more back for your dollar.

you'll get it paying or not, but, just sayin".

Rookie'48
08-17-2011, 11:24 PM
My personal take on this is "Yes, join today!"

There are many things right (and wrong) with any organization, but if you don't join and vote then there is no way that you can help make it a better outfit. Also, if you're competing in a KCBS contest you are expecting the same rules as the last comp, the same meats to be cooked, the same judging standards in the "tent". In effect you are cooking KCBS (or IBCA, PNWBBQA, MBN, etc.) instead of un-sanctioned backyard comps because in each of these comps you know what to expect, what the rules are and so forth.

In turn I think that a person should help support that organization.

ZwolleQ
08-17-2011, 11:28 PM
Thanks Jeff! So it sounds to me like its more of a Camaradarie thing almost a brotherhood if you will. The statement about meeting friends through it kind of says it all for me. honestly we loved competeing last year (although we knew we didnt have much of a chance considering the competition) but we were really in it for the social aspect of the competition, we are nothing but backyard BBQer's. Sure if we won it would be a huge bonus but we sure had fun with all the others there. We wont get in a lot but to me it seems if I am adding to something that could make things better in the future and gain a few friends along the way then heck Im in....

Patrick

Jeff_in_KC
08-17-2011, 11:29 PM
i'm not paying to be a member.

the slice of pie they take from my entry fee is enough.

pay to the brethren. you'll get ALOT more back for your dollar.

you'll get it paying or not, but, just sayin".

I've been here over seven years now and love the Brethren. But how many contests does the Brethren Web site guarantee will be held on a level playing field and ensure advertised prizes will be paid? To me, that's a lot of value for the $12 per contest KCBS gets for me being entered in a sanctioned one. My $12 doesn't begin to pay the money for reps, the computers, judging slips and plates, etc.

mikerobes
08-17-2011, 11:29 PM
KCBS regardless of my frustrations. You will hear people say they won't support an organization with the problems that KCBS has. Truth be told, any organization will eventually have some sort of problems. Personally, I'd rather stick around to see even better days and be a part of it.

I'm new too, What frustrations and problems are you referring? I've only competed a few times and have seen no problems from KCBS, but again I am new, so I don't know.

ZwolleQ
08-17-2011, 11:33 PM
Okay so two questions...
1) when I go to the site and try to join how do I enter a team? It looks like I just join as a member vs a team. Or instead of my name do I just enter a team name?

2) What on earth are MOINK Balls?

Jeff_in_KC
08-17-2011, 11:33 PM
Thanks Jeff! So it sounds to me like its more of a Camaradarie thing almost a brotherhood if you will. The statement about meeting friends through it kind of says it all for me. honestly we loved competeing last year (although we knew we didnt have much of a chance considering the competition) but we were really in it for the social aspect of the competition, we are nothing but backyard BBQer's. Sure if we won it would be a huge bonus but we sure had fun with all the others there. We wont get in a lot but to me it seems if I am adding to something that could make things better in the future and gain a few friends along the way then heck Im in....

Patrick

Patrick, if you wanna chat about BBQ or the benefits of KCBS, come by our site at Albert Lea. I may be tight for time since my wife isn't going but I'll make time to chat and answer any questions you might have. :thumb:

ZwolleQ
08-17-2011, 11:39 PM
Jeff, I will try to do that for sure. Im assuming you are arriving Friday or would you get there Thursday night? We are arriving Thursday. At the end of the day, Id love to exchange some meat, have you try our stuff & tell me what you think. I loved trying everyone around us' stuff. Jeez it seemed like every 5 minutes after final turn in we had someone else's ribs, chicken whatever at our table. It was great!! (actually I gotta be honest it was my favorite part)

Jeff_in_KC
08-17-2011, 11:40 PM
KCBS regardless of my frustrations. You will hear people say they won't support an organization with the problems that KCBS has. Truth be told, any organization will eventually have some sort of problems. Personally, I'd rather stick around to see even better days and be a part of it.

I'm new too, What frustrations and problems are you referring? I've only competed a few times and have seen no problems from KCBS, but again I am new, so I don't know.

If you're new and just going to comps, you probably will never notice a problem at all. But if you hang around these and other Internet forums, you'll likely be exposed to the "political" side of KCBS. The Board of Directors has been known to be dysfunctional, although with Candy Sue Weaver at the helm, things are getting better! Some have had issues with things that go on in the KCBS office but 99.9% of all this doesn't effect the average competitor. I've tried to remain out of the politics since I ran for the Board a couple of years ago. Yeah, I get sucked into debates, etc. sometimes but I've had more fun competing not worrying about most of that BS. Problem is, there's too many frustrated and even disgusted members but not enough frustrated and disgusted members willing to make a difference and run for the board. :tsk: Hang out on forums long enough and you'll see 'em all the time.

Jeff_in_KC
08-17-2011, 11:49 PM
Jeff, I will try to do that for sure. Im assuming you are arriving Friday or would you get there Thursday night? We are arriving Thursday. At the end of the day, Id love to exchange some meat, have you try our stuff & tell me what you think. I loved trying everyone around us' stuff. Jeez it seemed like every 5 minutes after final turn in we had someone else's ribs, chicken whatever at our table. It was great!! (actually I gotta be honest it was my favorite part)

If I do get there Thursday, it would most likely be late at night so would go straight to a motel. If not, I'll get there around 11AM or noon on Friday. After turn-in's I'm always sick of tasting BBQ. I'd be glad to try it but please don't be offended if I taste it, try the tenderness and take it out. I've swapped Q samples with buddies after last turn in before where I just could not stomach swallowing even one more bite. I've gotten to where I try the tenderness and get the taste down and then toss it. Honestly, there's a few things about competitions that will serve you better than what I think of your food. We can all cook pretty damned good barbecue or we would never have entered a contest in the first place. You have to learn how to compete WHILE making good BBQ. Look forward to meeting you in Minnesota!

boogiesnap
08-17-2011, 11:51 PM
I've been here over seven years now and love the Brethren. But how many contests does the Brethren Web site guarantee will be held on a level playing field and ensure advertised prizes will be paid? To me, that's a lot of value for the $12 per contest KCBS gets for me being entered in a sanctioned one. My $12 doesn't begin to pay the money for reps, the computers, judging slips and plates, etc.

a portion of an entry fee goes to KCBS, correct?

THAT pays to insure all you mention.

the brethren, imho, is a better institution. and more well run.

Jeff_in_KC
08-17-2011, 11:56 PM
a portion of an entry fee goes to KCBS, correct?

THAT pays to insure all you mention.

the brethren, imho, is a better institution. and more well run.

There are cut off points where the fee is different. I think fewer than 50 teams is less than $12 each team but generally it's about $12. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree about whether $12 is enough. :wink:

Comparing the Brethren to KCBS is apples to oranges. I wouldn't say I am not buying groceries because I like to drive my car and prefer to pay for gas. They're two entirely different benefits.

ZwolleQ
08-18-2011, 12:01 AM
[QUOTE=Jeff_in_KC;1754837]After turn-in's I'm always sick of tasting BBQ. I'd be glad to try it but please don't be offended if I taste it, try the tenderness and take it out. I've swapped Q samples with buddies after last turn in before where I just could not stomach swallowing even one more bite. QUOTE]

No problem!! I only have been in one competition thus far and Id probably understand if I got in more but, I sure didnt get sick of it:-D. So I can bring some over (take it or leave it) and I guess the best thing I could get from you is information and maybe a rib or two...

Boogiesnap.. Would there be a benefit in joining both?

boogiesnap
08-18-2011, 12:05 AM
well, yes. put that way i'll gladly give my 12 for what they do.

but as far as as bettering BBQ, this forum wins hands down, and thus gets my 35 bucks.

Alexa RnQ
08-18-2011, 12:21 AM
If I intend to take advantage of the benefits of an organization, I consider it my obligation to support that organization.

ZwolleQ
08-18-2011, 12:25 AM
If I intend to take advantage of the benefits of an organization, I consider it my obligation to support that organization.

Makes sense to me... Thanks!

ZwolleQ
08-18-2011, 12:29 AM
Okay so two questions...
1) when I go to the site and try to join how do I enter a team? It looks like I just join as a member vs a team. Or instead of my name do I just enter a team name?

2) What on earth are MOINK Balls?

Is it okay to quote yourself or am I nuts? Whatever I just did it....

The two most important questions were not answered.:-D

Patrick

ZwolleQ
08-18-2011, 12:29 AM
Okay so two questions...
1) when I go to the site and try to join how do I enter a team? It looks like I just join as a member vs a team. Or instead of my name do I just enter a team name?

2) What on earth are MOINK Balls?

Is it okay to quote yourself or am I nuts? Whatever I just did it....

The two most important questions were not answered.:-D

Patrick

Jeff_in_KC
08-18-2011, 12:40 AM
Is it okay to quote yourself or am I nuts? Whatever I just did it....

The two most important questions were not answered.:-D

Patrick

Just answer this question on the online form: "Are you a member of a cooking team? If so, what is your cooking team's name?" They will then associate your team name with your name.

Moink balls... I'm probably not the person to answer in much detail because I've never made one! :shock::shocked::shock::shocked: But in short, I believe I'm correct in saying they're beef meatballs (Moo) wrapped in bacon (oink) and smoked. I'm guessing everyone has their favorite additions to add flavor.

Read some of the stuff on the New Member Forum - a lot of questions can be answered there. http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=27 And each forum should have a "Roadmap" thread that gives a lot of info too.

ZwolleQ
08-18-2011, 12:53 AM
Moink balls... I'm probably not the person to answer in much detail because I've never made one! :shock::shocked::shock::shocked: But in short, I believe I'm correct in saying they're beef meatballs (Moo) wrapped in bacon (oink) and smoked. I'm guessing everyone has their favorite additions to add flavor.

Do you then smoke them?? Sounds like something I have pulled out of a crockpot at a drunken new years eve party. I guess I will have to make some meatballs and try them on the smoker.

Rookie'48
08-18-2011, 01:16 AM
Pre-made, beef, frozen meat balls wrapped in bacon, hit with the rub of your choice and smoked. Some like to dip the MOINKs in sauce durring the last 20 to 30 minutes of smoking.

boogiesnap
08-18-2011, 08:36 AM
If I intend to take advantage of the benefits of an organization, I consider it my obligation to support that organization.

i do support the organization...every time a write an entry fee check.

with that said, what jeff and now yourself are saying makes me think i should reconsider and become a member.

voting and all makes alot of sense. :-D

thank guys and gals. :thumb:

QansasjayhawQ
08-18-2011, 09:17 AM
If I intend to take advantage of the benefits of an organization, I consider it my obligation to support that organization.
That pretty much sums it up for me - although I did enjoy your write up, Jeff.

I also subscribe to this site for the same reason. The people here have saved me countless years of experimentation and who knows how many cash dollars wasted on meats gone wrong. Competition equipment suggestions, prep and cooking methods - wow. It's A LOT!

boogiesnap
08-18-2011, 09:48 AM
yes, that was a nice write up.

Rookie'48
08-18-2011, 10:52 AM
One of the benifits of joining is the chance to vote on who will represent you on the BoD. If there are problems with KCBS (and there are) the only way to solve them is to VOTE in the elections. For the past few years the voting is done via computer, you don't even have to walk all the way to the mail box ..... but only about 1/4 of the eligable members vote.
Please people, if you don't vote, don't beotch!

boogiesnap
08-18-2011, 11:05 AM
while i have never b*tched about KCBS publicly or privately you are 100%.

joining and being active will be beneficial.

bover
08-18-2011, 11:57 AM
One of the benifits of joining is the chance to vote on who will represent you on the BoD. If there are problems with KCBS (and there are) the only way to solve them is to VOTE in the elections. For the past few years the voting is done via computer, you don't even have to walk all the way to the mail box ..... but only about 1/4 of the eligable members vote.
Please people, if you don't vote, don't beotch!

I"m one of the 1/4 that votes, but I'd do my best to vote at least twice if you threw your hat in the ring next cycle. :-D

swamprb
08-18-2011, 12:06 PM
I cook primarily Pacific Northwest BBQ Assn. events so I am a member.
In order to attend a BBQ class sponsored by the CBBQA I had to join the organization and with the membership you receive the National BBQ News, other than that, I haven't cooked any California events yet. When I became a KCBS CBJ a years membership came with it and every year I flip flop on whether to renew or not, since KCBS events are far and few around here and the Bullsheet isn't really relavent to me-the articles by Bob Lyons do not represent what is happening in the Pacific Northwest. But for some reason it just feels right to support KCBS.