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mobow
06-24-2011, 07:19 PM
As part of the master judge test it ask about the smoke ring on a money muscle. My questions is, is it possible to get a smoke ring all the way around the money muscle without seperating it from the butt? Thanx for your help and yes we are allowed to find answers anyway we can, keith

HBMTN
06-24-2011, 07:48 PM
I have never tried but I bet I could do it by trimming the muscle away from the butt all except a 1/4 inch or so. Let it hang mostly seperated from the butt but still attached. Smoke should penetrate all around it leaving a complete Lord of - I mean Smoke Ring LOL

lazyjacres
06-24-2011, 07:54 PM
Even leaving 1/2" to 3/4" will get the same results....


I have never tried but I bet I could do it by trimming the muscle away from the butt all except a 1/4 inch or so. Let it hang mostly seperated from the butt but still attached. Smoke should penetrate all around it leaving a complete Lord of - I mean Smoke Ring LOL

mobow
06-24-2011, 08:29 PM
Thank you. Keith

Rookie'48
06-24-2011, 10:57 PM
That's one of the crazy questions on the test because we're supposedly not paying attention to the smoke ring. Go figure!

bmanMA
06-25-2011, 06:19 AM
That is interesting. I wonder if the question is meant to try and identify a team that has potentially hacked off the MM and then returned the roast to the smoker? If so, it clearly fails in several ways. Hmmm... yeah, it is strange.

HBMTN
06-25-2011, 06:47 AM
I think the question on the test is to help keep a judge from DQ'ing a team if the smoke ring is all the way around the money muscle and the judge thinking it was cooked seperate from the whole butt.

bmanMA
06-25-2011, 06:58 AM
OK... i hear that. That makes more sense. Trick question - that's a good question if that's the intention.

ClayHill
06-25-2011, 07:00 AM
While taking a judging class (KCBS) I asked a similar question in regards to a smoke ring around the money muscle. It was apparent that the instructors were annoyed with my question and told us that this was not a judging issue, but a cook issue (policing each other)

Judges cant DQ a team on the premise of a smoke ring around a certain piece of meat. Unless a team is caught in the act, once it goes in the box, itís going to get judged on the "judging criteria" and not cook rules

Neal
06-25-2011, 08:09 AM
While taking a judging class (KCBS) I asked a similar question in regards to a smoke ring around the money muscle. It was apparent that the instructors were annoyed with my question and told us that this was not a judging issue, but a cook issue (policing each other)

Judges cant DQ a team on the premise of a smoke ring around a certain piece of meat. Unless a team is caught in the act, once it goes in the box, itís going to get judged on the "judging criteria" and not cook rules


Your instructors were right. It is a judge's job to judge the food presented to them. It is not their job to search for reasons to DQ an entry. Too many judges have their priorities wrong in this regard.

PimpSmoke
06-25-2011, 08:11 AM
You can leave it attached pretty well and still get smoke ring around. It all depends on temp of meat going in and moisture in the cooker.

TQ works on pork too, I think?

Rub
06-25-2011, 09:01 AM
Your instructors were right. It is a judge's job to judge the food presented to them. It is not their job to search for reasons to DQ an entry. Too many judges have their priorities wrong in this regard.
I wish judges would stop and remember this before each contest. Sometimes I think they feel the need to search out the negative as opposed to reward the positive. Enjoy the experience!

Sawdustguy
06-25-2011, 03:15 PM
I wish judges would stop and remember this before each contest. Sometimes I think they feel the need to search out the negative as opposed to reward the positive. Enjoy the experience!

I agree with that. I remember when my team was wrongly DQ'ed. Unfortunately the Reps were not on the ball.

CTSmokehouse
06-25-2011, 03:39 PM
I agree with that. I remember when my team was wrongly DQ'ed. Unfortunately the Reps were not on the ball.

We all remember that...! I was judging at another table at Grill Kings...

Yours in BBQ,

Cliff