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Bbqin fool
06-03-2011, 04:43 AM
Hey guys and gals. I'm looking for a new pit so I can compete next year. I'm leaning towards a smoker on this website www.bbqheaven.net The smoker is the big daddy grill minus the lp burner in the cooking chamber. I was wondering if I could get my beloved brethren's opinion on it by what you can see on their website. I've already talked to the owner and everything is customizable. Just looking for some input. Thanks!

ssbbqguy
06-03-2011, 07:24 AM
They're are so many more to choose from. Personally. I wouldn't waste time by trying a unit that hasn't been used in comps. before. Learning to compete should be the main focus, not whether my pit can keep up.The use of insulation in this world makes some time to rest or sleep at comps..I would keep looking, maybe a Peoria like QUAU uses or a Lang which is widely used. There are several insulated box type cookers that work well.Fast Eddy pellet cookers are made for comps. Even one or two of my firebrick lined BarrelSmokers would afford you the time to put better product in front of the judges. I strongly suggest looking more and you'll have better options than what you're on now. Good luck. Steve.

Sawdustguy
06-03-2011, 07:37 AM
I would lean toward an insulated box smoker. The temperature is easy to control and hold for quite a long time. I can only vouch for Spicewine because I have owned one, but others like Backwoods and Stumps work well also. These smokers will allow you a good night sleep while holding temperature extremely well.

redneck cooker
06-03-2011, 08:07 AM
:becky:I sure hope you aint serious/ Those look like a high school shop kids built them!:crazy:....I sure wouldn't pull one much less to a comp.....

Alexa RnQ
06-03-2011, 09:38 AM
You know I have to come in here to recommend WSMs. http://www.divaherself.com/funny/shiner.gif


Seriously, the issue is going to be how well YOU cook, on any given unit. As a new competitor pick something tried and true that will work with you, and hopefully not present quirks that are more like stumbling blocks.

CarolinaQue
06-03-2011, 10:18 AM
So much for "it's not the cooker, but the cook" that produces good 'que then???

I agree that I wouldn't buy it and run right to a comp with it. But if it suits your needs and gives you the ability to do what you want to do with it, why not? Granted, you have Stumps, Fast Eddies, Spicewine, Backwoods and any other # of manufacturers out there, but there are people that have placed and taken GC with a wide array of equipment. Bottom line in my opinion, get what works for you and learn that cooker and how to make it do what you want it to do. Like people, looks can be deceiving!!!

kcbswtf
06-03-2011, 10:35 AM
those pits look nice...what is the cost? I like the flat grill (the green one with green bay packers colors) packers rule

Bbqin fool
06-03-2011, 11:10 AM
So much for "it's not the cooker, but the cook" that produces good 'que then???

I agree that I wouldn't buy it and run right to a comp with it. But if it suits your needs and gives you the ability to do what you want to do with it, why not? Granted, you have Stumps, Fast Eddies, Spicewine, Backwoods and any other # of manufacturers out there, but there are people that have placed and taken GC with a wide array of equipment. Bottom line in my opinion, get what works for you and learn that cooker and how to make it do what you want it to do. Like people, looks can be deceiving!!!

My plans are to get it by fall this year and learn as much about it as I can and hopefully be to a point where I can compete hopefully by late spring. I understand why everyone is recommending what they are recommending, I just am not someone who likes to do what everyone else does. I've tried contracting lang and didn't get very good customer service but this guy answered everything I threw at him and is allowing me to make payments. Just wanted opinions. Thanks to everyone.

AZScott
06-03-2011, 11:12 AM
So much for "it's not the cooker, but the cook" that produces good 'que then???

Nope. It's still the cook. The cooker one chooses either allows a cook to get some sleep and perform better during turn ins or it makes them stay up all night so they are tired and not at 100% of their ability.

AZScott
06-03-2011, 11:14 AM
It sounds like your mind is made up. Have you ever seen someone cooking on one? Before you buy it I would see if you could spend some time with them asking questions. Spending $300 or $10,000 on a smoker without know how it will perform could be a very expensive lesson.

Bbqin fool
06-03-2011, 11:23 AM
It sounds like your mind is made up. Have you ever seen someone cooking on one? Before you buy it I would see if you could spend some time with them asking questions. Spending $300 or $10,000 on a smoker without know how it will perform could be a very expensive lesson.

That's my plan. Hoping to do that soon

RangerJ
06-03-2011, 11:27 AM
Whatever your happy cooking on and works for you is the right cooker.

However, you asked for opinions and I for one would not purchase the product I see on that website. I can do a craigslist search and find rigs that "look" much better than those. Yes, looks can be deceiving.

My guess is getting off the Brinkman, you will be extremely happy! Good luck and let us know how it works out.

Bbqin fool
06-03-2011, 11:58 AM
Whatever your happy cooking on and works for you is the right cooker.

However, you asked for opinions and I for one would not purchase the product I see on that website. I can do a craigslist search and find rigs that "look" much better than those. Yes, looks can be deceiving.

My guess is getting off the Brinkman, you will be extremely happy! Good luck and let us know how it works out.

You're absolutely right. I did ask for opinions. Thank you for being honest. I have pretty much made up my mind. I have a list of people who have purchased his smokers that I an going to call for references. Thanks again for everybody's input. And yes I think I'm going to be very happy to be off the brinkmann lol

AZScott
06-03-2011, 12:03 PM
Don't go call them, go watch them cook. That will show you how easy it is to maintain the temperature, how much fuel it will use, what the temperature differences are on the grates, and if it's really what you want. Anyone will tell you their cooker is great, unless it totally sucks, but watching someone cook and seeing what issues arise is much more valuable.

Muzzlebrake
06-03-2011, 12:41 PM
those are definately some interesting looking cookers.........I kind of like the rat look myself. I would have to see how well they cook in person before I bought one for sure.

Hopefully we get them enough hits on their site they cut a brother a good deal :icon_shy:

DickQ
06-03-2011, 09:39 PM
Do your home work. I think you can get alot better pit for your needs for less money.

bigjonsBBQ
06-03-2011, 10:16 PM
I got a Bubba Grill last year, and I have to say, Lonnie will answer any questions you have. They are comparable to the Lang models, but I believe better quality, and cheaper than a Lang. Depending on where you live, he will pull your trailer to a competition and you can meet him there, be a part of his team for the weekend competition, and show you all the ins and outs of his pits. He offered this to me, but I was coming from NJ, and it was right after the new year, so there was no comps he was in anywhere on my route.

I actually saw the guy you were looking at, while I was dog my search. After finding Bubba Grills, that was the only way I wanted to head after talking to Lonnie.

THis is just my 2 cents, but I am very pleased with my pit.

Sawdustguy
06-04-2011, 07:57 AM
So much for "it's not the cooker, but the cook" that produces good 'que then???

I agree that I wouldn't buy it and run right to a comp with it. But if it suits your needs and gives you the ability to do what you want to do with it, why not? Granted, you have Stumps, Fast Eddies, Spicewine, Backwoods and any other # of manufacturers out there, but there are people that have placed and taken GC with a wide array of equipment. Bottom line in my opinion, get what works for you and learn that cooker and how to make it do what you want it to do. Like people, looks can be deceiving!!!

How the hell would be know what works for him. He doesn't have the cooker yet. The suggestions so far are for cookers that have been proven in competition. I wonder how he would feel if we recommended the cooker he was looking at, he bought it, and it wouldn't hold temperature? The reason he posted is to get the opinion of experienced competition cookers. We gave him what he asked for, our opinion. What's wrong with that.......Geeezzzzz...:mad:

Dale P
06-04-2011, 08:43 AM
I love our little Spicewine.

kurtsara
06-04-2011, 09:13 AM
:becky:I sure hope you aint serious/ Those look like a high school shop kids built them!:crazy:....I sure wouldn't pull one much less to a comp.....

those are definately some interesting looking cookers.........I kind of like the rat look myself. I would have to see how well they cook in person before I bought one for sure.

Hopefully we get them enough hits on their site they cut a brother a good deal :icon_shy:

Just what I was thinking also as we vended at the Rat Rod Magazine swap meet and car show a couple weeks ago, they do have the rat rod look to them, although I like the look, but do they work?

Bigdog
06-04-2011, 09:18 AM
I would not recommend that smoker for comps. With its lightweight and no insulation, you would need to stay up all night a feed the fire. Sure, you could make great BBQ in it, you can do that in most any cooker. Comps are more about fire control and consistancy. An insulated cooker like Spicewine gives you that. Just go to one comp. when it is cold or rainy and you will see what I mean. I prefer a smoker that you can set and forget like a pellet pooping Cookshack that is insulated and has digital fire control. I also like to sleep. :cool:

What ever you do, choose wisely by considering all alternatives. Good luck and enjoy the ride.

Bbqin fool
06-04-2011, 10:08 AM
Thanks guys. Your info is most appreciated and valued greatly. I am giving his smoker a test run and based on that I will make my decision. Thanks to all!

Bbqin fool
06-05-2011, 09:55 AM
I'm also not putting all my eggs into one basket. I've located another grill manufacturer called bulls eye cookers at www.bullseyecookers.com If you all can check then out for me. Thanks again.

Jeff Hughes
06-05-2011, 10:53 AM
Is there a reason you are shying away from proven designs and reputable manufacturers?

Bbqin fool
06-05-2011, 02:01 PM
I just don't like being like everyone else. I like doing things my own way. Guess you can call it my tragic flaw lol

redneck cooker
06-05-2011, 03:30 PM
I'm also not putting all my eggs into one basket. I've located another grill manufacturer called bulls eye cookers at www.bullseyecookers.com (http://www.bullseyecookers.com) If you all can check then out for me. Thanks again.


I think this one is a world of difference from the first one..I like the convenience and rotissurie on the one..:becky:

smokinQ2
06-05-2011, 04:38 PM
On the Bulls Eye I have a couple of questions, Is the metal 1/4 inch thick for firebox and cooker? If not stay away. This one looks like mine, cept not as fancy and I want to get a more traditional cooker that will hold its heat better. An insulated box is great but don't care for pellet feeders and fans as that is not real Qing to me. I have smoked 2200 lbs of butts on 3 borrowed Langs at one sitting and they performed great. My plan is to get a Lang or Bubba's and maybe even use a Welding blanket so I can sleep as well.

Bbqin fool
06-05-2011, 06:03 PM
On the Bulls Eye I have a couple of questions, Is the metal 1/4 inch thick for firebox and cooker? If not stay away. This one looks like mine, cept not as fancy and I want to get a more traditional cooker that will hold its heat better. An insulated box is great but don't care for pellet feeders and fans as that is not real Qing to me. I have smoked 2200 lbs of butts on 3 borrowed Langs at one sitting and they performed great. My plan is to get a Lang or Bubba's and maybe even use a Welding blanket so I can sleep as well.

Thanks for the advice. I just talked to them and it's not. For the amount of money they are asking for I would have expected them to do that. Oh well, time to keep looking!

luckyduk
06-05-2011, 07:53 PM
One word....resale

More known manufacturers pits will sell WHEN you upgrade...jm2cw

Lack of sleep at home is not a big deal....at a comp is a different story

CarolinaQue
06-05-2011, 08:33 PM
How the hell would be know what works for him. He doesn't have the cooker yet. The suggestions so far are for cookers that have been proven in competition. I wonder how he would feel if we recommended the cooker he was looking at, he bought it, and it wouldn't hold temperature? The reason he posted is to get the opinion of experienced competition cookers. We gave him what he asked for, our opinion. What's wrong with that.......Geeezzzzz...:mad:



:roll:

Nothing is wrong with you having an opinion, I never said there was!:confused: But I bet that many people that have those same cookers lose in comps to people with UDS and any other # of different types of cookers. Point being, you could have the most expensive cooker out there, it doesn't make it any good if you don't know how to use it to it's strengths.

Maybe it's a far leap, but I'm guess that if he's considering comp cooking, he probably has a little experience with cooking 'que and has an idea of what he's looking for.

I didn't recommend the cooker he was looking at, I recommended that he finds what works for him and that the name of the cooker doesn't mean nearly as much as learning the cooker and how to get the most of it.

AZScott
06-05-2011, 08:41 PM
I just don't like being like everyone else. I like doing things my own way. Guess you can call it my tragic flaw lol

You could always paint crazy flames on it or do something to make it yours and different. There is a reason you see certain smokers at comps. They work really well, are fuel efficient, maintain temp easily, and aren't hard to manage. Then you see some other cookers out there and if that team competes for any length of time it is usually sold to get something that the veterans have.

bmanMA
06-05-2011, 08:50 PM
get a wsm.

Lake Dogs
06-05-2011, 08:59 PM
On the smaller less-expensive models, WSM pretty much rules. Then there's the BGE/Kamado thing. For offsets, honestly Lang and Bubba Grills with the reverse flow are pretty much as good as it gets for consistency without going way up in price. Then there's the set-it-and-forget-it types like have been mentioned like SpiceWine, Stumps, etc. all excellent and well worth the money.

It absolutely IS the cook, but good cooks cook using good equipment. The ones I mentioned above all have their styles and I'm not going to tell you which you prefer. In reading above it seems like you're leaning towards the offset style of cooking. If that, if it were me, I'd start by looking at Bubba Grills (bubbagrills.net) and Lang (pigroast.com).

I think what the folks earlier were trying to say is: Please dont waste your money. There's nothing worse than spending $1000 only to find out that if you'd spent a few dollars more you could've had the real deal.

Bbqin fool
06-05-2011, 10:16 PM
Thanks guys. I've put in quote requests to bubba grills and a meadow creek dealer. Gotta do my homework!