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chromestacks
06-02-2011, 09:53 AM
this Is the box i turned in at roc city rib fest. scores were:
J1 6,8,8
J2 8,7,8
J3 6,7,8
J4 5,7,7
J5 8,8,8
J6 6,6,6

Is it me or is judge 4 and 6 out of line with the other judges? no comment cards were recieved. How would you judge it? how can I inprove?

CarolinaQue
06-02-2011, 10:00 AM
You're always going to have one or two of "those" judges that just don't seem to score like the others.

As far as the box, it looks a little "busy" to me. I would place all of your meat in the center. This will do a couple of things:

1) Larger mass stays warmer than smaller, broken up piles.
2), It looks more apealing.

In front of a larger pile, I would slice up the money muscle into 6 individual portions so meet that part of the criteria. How you sauce is up to you.

musicmanryann
06-02-2011, 10:10 AM
I'm just going to go ahead and leave this (http://www.bbqbug.com/forums/bbq-contests/1252-award-winning-competition-pork.html) here.

Slamdunkpro
06-02-2011, 10:10 AM
this Is the box i turned in at roc city rib fest. scores were:
J1 6,8,8
J2 8,7,8
J3 6,7,8
J4 5,7,7
J5 8,8,8
J6 6,6,6

Is it me or is judge 4 and 6 out of line with the other judges? no comment cards were recieved. How would you judge it? how can I inprove?


Statistically judges 2 & 5 are further off the mean average than 4 & 6, but no one ever talks about high scoring "rouge judges". It's really hard to judge based on that particular photograph, but my first suggestion would be more meat. I'd be less concerned about the appearance scores than all the 7's for taste.

mobow
06-02-2011, 10:12 AM
Sorry but I would say judges 2 and 5 were generous speaking purely from appearance. The box just looks a bit haphazard. Like it was all thrown in and a spoon and sauce was blopped on top. I agree that moving it to the center would help and to increase the quantity of meat. Some bark showing would also help with appearance and taste in my opinion. Also add some type of order to your lettuce. keith

ssbbqguy
06-02-2011, 10:13 AM
It looks like a salad rather than a pork turn-in. Not trying to be harsh, but the box needs to loaded where the lettuce isn't the main attraction. Keep six piles or groups, but add more to the box. Paul's tutorial is probably the best advice for a starting cook. Good info. Good luck. Steve.

CarolinaQue
06-02-2011, 10:16 AM
I'm just going to go ahead and leave this (http://www.bbqbug.com/forums/bbq-contests/1252-award-winning-competition-pork.html) here.



Great info in that there link!!!:thumb:

Ron_L
06-02-2011, 10:26 AM
Sorry... I have to agree with Mobow. It's not a garnish competition but the lettuce is overwhelming the meat. Plus, the meat doesn't scream "eat me!" to me. It's probably not a 5, but I think 6 is fair.

Take a look at the Judge My Box section of BBQCritic.com. There are a lot of boxes submitted anonymously along with comments from Master Judges, CBJs and cooks.

http://www.bbqcritic.com/judgemybox.html

NRA4Life
06-02-2011, 10:29 AM
More meat, and I only see traces of bark. As a judge, it looks like you put my table on pork restriction.

Smokin' Gnome BBQ
06-02-2011, 11:01 AM
I would probably have scored the box at a 5 or maybe a 4, doesnt make me want to grab some. meat seems hidden to me. more meat may help.

keep in mind that its is NOT the "pulled pork" catagory...its the pork catagory. As a competitor I cringe when I hear that...

ique
06-02-2011, 11:07 AM
More meat.

LOTs more

Slamdunkpro
06-02-2011, 11:21 AM
Take a look at the Judge My Box section of BBQCritic.com. There are a lot of boxes submitted anonymously along with comments from Master Judges, CBJs and cooks.

http://www.bbqcritic.com/judgemybox.html

Take your BP meds before you go there; if you don't drink now you will after seeing some of the comments on some of the boxes :frusty:

lcbateman3
06-02-2011, 11:35 AM
Lots of good comments, and great link!

YankeeBBQ
06-02-2011, 12:04 PM
Is it me or is judge 4 and 6 out of line with the other judges?



It's you

huminie
06-02-2011, 12:55 PM
When I make boxes you can hardly tell there is garnish in there at all they are so packed with meat. I find full boxes of meat score better.

Alexa RnQ
06-02-2011, 01:35 PM
Another opinion for less garnish, more meat. It's hard to make lettuce behave, but believe me, it can be done. I'd rather see a straight line of tight lettuce frill at the edge of the box, and then nothing but meat.

cowboyupbbq
06-02-2011, 01:47 PM
Bark is your friend

Lake Dogs
06-02-2011, 08:51 PM
My initial reaction was a 5, perhaps a 6 on a good day. Honestly, it looks like something my cat yacked up. It's the opposite of appetizing. Imagery is everything, so piles of meat usually aren't a good idea. MUCH less garnish, and MUCH more pork. Larger pieces about the size of your thumb and bark (with some nice smoke ring) will be much more appetizing. Sauces more towards the mahogany red color do better; lighter browner sauces, even those that taste fantastic, can get close to bringing forth imagery that's not associated with barbecue.

Smoke'n Ice
06-02-2011, 09:27 PM
My only comment is "Where's the PORK :confused:". Give it a 5 and consider it a gift!!!! and yes, I would have given you a comment card.

CBJ and cook

quarters69
06-02-2011, 10:24 PM
When I make boxes you can hardly tell there is garnish in there at all they are so packed with meat. I find full boxes of meat score better.

Agreed, show me the meat!!

jbrink01
06-02-2011, 10:28 PM
I read no other responses, just looked at the picture. 5. It's not appealing, at all to me and looks like very little time was spent on it.

Contracted Cookers
06-02-2011, 10:44 PM
not sure a comment card was needed. did you lookat it. not trying to be a dick .

Meat Burner
06-02-2011, 11:11 PM
chrome, this is a tough group and hope you realize you got some honest opionions. Competition bbq is just what it say...it's competition and the standards are high. My impression is a 6 is appropriate. The judges that score 8 on appearance is a real puzzle to me. They are the ones out of line IMO. Definately way more meat in the box. It's a meat competition so give them meat. Hey bro, we all live with the weird judging scores and go on. Good luck on the next event.

chromestacks
06-03-2011, 09:19 AM
Folks, Thank you for your opinions. I jumped in to competition last year with both feet and no experience. I always do well on flavor and texture. As you can see from the photo, we do not do well in appearance. I started out using a parsley garnish last year and saw quite a few calls for those that use lettuce. I think our boxes look better with parsley. This was a first attempt using lettuce, and probably a last. I always thought the boxes with a lot of meat looked really busy but I guess we do want to focus on the meat. I have been studying the "money muscle" and trying to learn more about it. The next contest in July, will have parsely garnish and MORE MEAT! Thank you so much to those that took time to give me feedback and critique my box.

Lake Dogs
06-03-2011, 09:28 AM
Best of luck!!