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Slamdunkpro
05-25-2011, 06:24 PM
In case anyone coming to the Fredrick MD event missed it there was a little item buried in the packages that just came out to the competitors. No team will be allowed to exit the fairgrounds until after 8pm or the last band is finished. This was not disclosed on the competitor application information.

I'm hearing about these types of surprises more and more. :evil: This is something that sanctioning bodies (KCBS, MABA, NEBS, BBQ Brethren and others ) need to take a hard look at and put some pressure on the organizers. The contestant applications are reading more and more like contracts and they need to be enforced on both ends. It should be required by the sanctioning body that all conditions of entry and egress (load in / load out times); the ability to enter / exit the facility at will by the competitors, fees for electric /water / site size, HD inspection, prize money distribution and any other special conditions on the competitors be fully disclosed on the competitor application prior to the competitor sending in their entry fee. There also needs to be a clause included that any changes to the basic competitor application contract by the organizer or venue allows for a full refund of all fees to the competitor if they so desire.

I know I'm going to push to get this in the MABA sanctions requirements ASAP.

watg?
05-25-2011, 06:30 PM
wow, two rants on the same topic posted 1 minute apart amazing!:-D
Mods, this was not planned; please feel free to move or dump my diatribe for I have no feelings.:crazy:

Muzzlebrake
05-25-2011, 07:12 PM
so what are they going to do if you leave? Kick you out?:twisted:

Smokin' Gnome BBQ
05-25-2011, 08:06 PM
so what are they going to do if you leave? Kick you out?:twisted:


good question!! can you be banned by the KCBS for not following the rules and leaving early??


you should see the list of things that can get you fined $$$$ at this comp..

glad I only live an hour away...still dont want to be there till 8

watg?
05-25-2011, 08:29 PM
good question!! can you be banned by the KCBS for not following the rules and leaving early??


you should see the list of things that can get you fined $$$$ at this comp..

glad I only live an hour away...still dont want to be there till 8



I had better dig that letter back out of the recycling box and let my crack team of attorneys give it a real good looksee.

Slamdunkpro
05-25-2011, 08:49 PM
you should see the list of things that can get you fined $$$$ at this comp..

I'd really like to see that.

goodbuddiesbbq
05-25-2011, 09:24 PM
I think that this is a ploy to get a lien on that smoker of yours. If I was organizing this event, I'd find a way to fine you and attach a lien to that "beast".

License and registration, please!:cool:

Muzzlebrake
05-25-2011, 09:33 PM
I think the horn on my truck would get stuck

Red Valley BBQ
05-25-2011, 09:40 PM
I'm not familiar with the location of the contest, but the last couple of times I have run into a situation like this it was because of concern for the public's safety. The organizers didn't want vehicles, trailers, or campers driving through the area where the public was. I completely agree that things like this should be posted on the website or application so that teams can be aware of it beforehand. But at the same time, if it's a public safety issue, I can live with the decision of the organizers.

Jacked UP BBQ
05-25-2011, 09:54 PM
The old family emergency always works. The best way to handle this is everyone take a stand or tell them you are not showing. that is a terrible rule./

Muzzlebrake
05-25-2011, 10:08 PM
so what if the last band doesn't finish until 10?
thats a dik move. they should make arrangements for teams to exit safely.

Slamdunkpro
05-25-2011, 10:08 PM
I'm not familiar with the location of the contest, but the last couple of times I have run into a situation like this it was because of concern for the public's safety. The organizers didn't want vehicles, trailers, or campers driving through the area where the public was. I completely agree that things like this should be posted on the website or application so that teams can be aware of it beforehand. But at the same time, if it's a public safety issue, I can live with the decision of the organizers.

The cynic in me says it's more a case of "we don't want the public seeing the teams packing up and leaving right after awards and assuming the festival is over" vs a true public safety concern. After all , they don't hold all the bands over so there are people and vehicles coming and going anyway. Be that as it may, the time to disclose this is on the competitor's application, not on the team information sheet 3 weeks (or less) before an event.

boogiesnap
05-25-2011, 10:10 PM
should certainly be stated in the competitors app., but as things change they may not have realized.

with that said, the BBQ competition is still a DRAW to the event and the competitors should be treated with respect.

provide a safe causeway for them to exit.

HarleyEarl
05-25-2011, 10:13 PM
I'm not familiar with the location of the contest, but the last couple of times I have run into a situation like this it was because of concern for the public's safety. The organizers didn't want vehicles, trailers, or campers driving through the area where the public was. I completely agree that things like this should be posted on the website or application so that teams can be aware of it beforehand. But at the same time, if it's a public safety issue, I can live with the decision of the organizers.

I totally agree. The GAB had a similar rule last weekend, but said pull-out time was 11:00. Since there were basically no public in the contest areas after the awards, they provided escorts to lead us in and out which we greatly appreciated. Now if there were a ton of people milling about, I would not even think of leaving.

If sticking around for the safety of the public is not for you or if you feel the need to lay on your horn to make the public get out of your way - just stay home!

Red Valley BBQ
05-25-2011, 10:52 PM
The cynic in me says it's more a case of "we don't want the public seeing the teams packing up and leaving right after awards and assuming the festival is over" vs a true public safety concern. After all , they don't hold all the bands over so there are people and vehicles coming and going anyway. Be that as it may, the time to disclose this is on the competitor's application, not on the team information sheet 3 weeks (or less) before an event.

I hear ya, it was kind of a bone headed move to wait to notify teams. According to the schedule, the last band is done around 8ish, 1 1/2 hours after the awards. It's not like they are asking teams to stay until 11pm or midnight.

We're most likely staying until Sunday morning anyway (unless that's against the rules in the cook's packet...which I haven't seen yet). Nothing like relaxing after a cook, listening to a band or two, and doing a few 12oz curls.

Rub
05-25-2011, 11:34 PM
so what are they going to do if you leave? Kick you out?:twisted:
I know a team (that posts here) that left a few minutes before the allowed time at a contest and they will not be invited back.:cop: :violin::rant:

INmitch
05-26-2011, 12:25 AM
Seems to me if they'd put a 5 mph rule for leaving that would solve their worrys. I've idled in and out of comps before. As long as everyone uses their head it shouldn't be a problem. Of course that "usin their head thing" can always cause problems!!

Fishiest1
05-26-2011, 06:48 AM
Personally, I would be pulling my hair out. After one of these are done I can't get back to the friendly confines fast enough! Nothing like the wife, kids, rum drink, hot shower and the couch after one of these! :)

rksylves
05-26-2011, 06:49 AM
My rule is that if I have to drive more than about 1.5-2 hours to get home, then I'm going to stay the night and drive home on Sunday morning. If they are going to enforce the rule that teams can't leave until after at least 8pm then they better be prepared to let me stay over. More than once I've gotten off the highway and couldn't remember driving any of it. That's scary.

Russ

Chipper
05-26-2011, 06:51 AM
I just posted a suggestion on George's thread about maybe doing a pot luck dinner. Any thoughts?

cbagby64
05-26-2011, 07:03 AM
Sounds like a little rearranging of the bands equipment is in order. They can't play until 8pm if they can't find their gear....:-D

Black Cat BBQ
05-26-2011, 07:14 AM
I just posted a suggestion on George's thread about maybe doing a pot luck dinner. Any thoughts?

Sounds like a great idea!

Ron_L
05-26-2011, 07:43 AM
We're not going to be at this particular competition, but in general that type of info needs to be available up front. My wife works on Sundays so we can't stay over on Saturday night. If the drive is long enough not being able to leave until 8pm is a killer for us. We would bypass that competition.

If the reason is public safety, then they need to lay out the site better. They should figure out a traffic pattern that will allow the teams to exit away from the foot traffic.

The Pigman
05-26-2011, 08:34 AM
Could it be that they wish to keep public there to spend money and if everyone packs and leaves that doesnt leave much to keep public there. They are not the ones that have hours of driving to get home.

The_Kapn
05-26-2011, 08:46 AM
If (and only if) the drive is long enough for us to buy another night in a motel anyway will we leave Sherman overnight and pick him up Sun morning.

We have declined a couple of events that were within "drivable" distance on Sat night IF we could have left just after clapping for everyone else at the awards. A three hour delay means driving later than I want while smelly and tired.

TIM

Slamdunkpro
05-26-2011, 01:24 PM
I used the Fredrick comp load out surprise as an example but it's a larger issue. It looks like some organizers are starting to not disclose things that they believe might keep competitors away or drive them to pick another comp until after they have your money. This practice need to be nipped in the bud.

Some examples:


HD inspection of comp sites announced at the last minute
Restrictions on load in load out times
Award checks will be mailed within 30 days
Large fee for electric
No personal vehicles at cook sites

All of these items should have been on the competition application, NOT in the information package you get just before the event or announced at the event so that you as a competitor can make an informed choice as to which comps you want to spend your money and time at. Granted some things are out of the organizer's control, but if they extend what amounts to a binding "no refund" contract to the competitor in the application they should also honor their end. Competitors shouldn't have to play 20 questions with organizers prior to signing up.