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G$
01-15-2005, 02:12 PM
G$ put his new Bandera together today. May fire it up tommorrow to season.

Thanks for the advice, information, stories and jokes you all have posted, and those yet to come.

tommykendall
01-15-2005, 02:18 PM
Welcome board G$. Great to have you and we look forward to your contributions. Don't forget to do the essential mods (baffle and fire grate) for best results.

Arlin_MacRae
01-15-2005, 02:24 PM
Excellent start G Money! Welcome aboard and let us know when your first cook is so we can hoist a glass your way!

parrothead
01-15-2005, 02:40 PM
Welcome!

kcquer
01-15-2005, 02:46 PM
Welcome Brother G$, great to have you with us, and what tk said.


essential mods (baffle and fire grate)

Neil
01-15-2005, 08:59 PM
Welcome aboard G. Enjoy what you learn and share what you know, it's what we do.

BigBelly
01-16-2005, 08:34 AM
Heyas G money!

Solidkick
01-16-2005, 09:12 AM
Hey G$, good to have you with us!

JacksonsDad
01-17-2005, 12:02 AM
Welcome G$ fire that thinhg up and put her to work!

Bellybro
01-17-2005, 10:32 AM
Welcome G$!

Let us know how the first burn goes!

Trout_man22
01-18-2005, 09:11 AM
Welcome, Brother G$

jt
01-18-2005, 09:43 AM
Welcome!

Jeff_in_KC
01-23-2005, 09:01 PM
Welcome G$!

Bigmofo300lbs
01-24-2005, 01:21 PM
'Sup G Money! Can't wait to hear about the 1st cook!

Arlin_MacRae
01-24-2005, 01:27 PM
Wait a minute, G$ - that doesn't mean G-money, does it? It means G-STRING! HEHEHE

<gets some more coffee>

jeffsasmokin
01-24-2005, 07:23 PM
Wellcome G-Money!!! Just junp in...........and hang on! Weren't you in New Jack City? :D Loved that movie!!!

G$
01-25-2005, 04:02 PM
Thanks for the welcome everyone .....I think. Just an update, I have yet to season the Bandera, because I figured I opught to wait and get a thermometer or two first. Also have a question about the contrversial wet wood chips, but i will head over to Qtalk for that.

chad
01-25-2005, 04:12 PM
Step away from the farking wet wood chips! :twisted:

BBQchef33
01-25-2005, 04:12 PM
ya dont need a thermometer to season. Just coat the whole thing down with oil(peanut or canola).. or its ok to use Pam. Fire it up, alternate between high heat.. 350-450 or better and heavy smoke. run the firebox damper full open, then choke them down to generate some smoke, then open them up again. 4-6 hours is best. Door thermometer is fine for that door. Just push it past 350 and higher and it will be fine for seasoning. REad the section on seasoning in Bandera 101. Some cold wood on a hot fire will also get the smoke ya want. Remember for seasoningm, you WANT to break the rules and generate a little heavier whiter smoke than you would normally cook with.

G$
01-25-2005, 04:15 PM
'New' ones do not even come with door therm .... just a silver button ........

jeffsasmokin
01-25-2005, 05:38 PM
'New' ones do not even come with door therm .... just a silver button ........G - you are welcome here, trust me! That button is an electrical knock-out closure. Go to the nearest Home Depot, and find what used to be, a New Braunfels temp guage - it Charbroil now, since they bought them out. The face is about 3 1/2 " round and they sell for $20.00. It's not a Klose gauge, but it will do the trick. Pop the K.O.C. out and install the gauge. I've installed 2 on the door of my Bandera (High and Low - but above the baffle). Also helps to buy oven thermometers to hang on the racks in different areas to get a good reading on your cooking chamber.

Have you done the modifications yet? Baffle and Fire grate are essential. Deja Vu of KC and TK! (oops) :mrgreen:

Bill-Chicago
01-25-2005, 08:23 PM
'New' ones do not even come with door therm .... just a silver button ........

Thats what I got, and its worthless placement anyway.

Great to see you thousand dollar.

And wood chips, wet or dry, are gone in a poof.

chunks or logs in the Dera

glad you found us

G$
01-25-2005, 09:16 PM
G - you are welcome here, trust me! That button is an electrical knock-out closure. Go to the nearest Home Depot, and find what used to be, a New Braunfels temp guage - it Charbroil now, since they bought them out. The face is about 3 1/2 " round and they sell for $20.00. It's not a Klose gauge, but it will do the trick. Pop the K.O.C. out and install the gauge. I've installed 2 on the door of my Bandera (High and Low - but above the baffle). Also helps to buy oven thermometers to hang on the racks in different areas to get a good reading on your cooking chamber.

Have you done the modifications yet? Baffle and Fire grate are essential. Deja Vu of KC and TK! (oops)

Mr. sasmokin, Yeah I know you have to get the therm after market ... my point was I had not done that yet ... and they do not come with the new Banderas although i guess thye used to? and I wanted to at least get that calibrated to my probe thermometer and hanging oven thermometer on the cooler parts of my seasoning burn, as I fooled with the dampers and all.

And, as if you were reading my mind, I have also not seasoned her up because I have not built a new fire box grate yet, although I do have the expanded steel around and some sheet for the baffle.


And wood chips, wet or dry, are gone in a poof.

chunks or logs in the Dera

glad you found us

Bill....I am glad I found you too, and understand the popular opinion and science surrounding the negativity expressed toward wet chips. My only counter to this is: my fabled brother in law (Don't we all have one or two?) turns out great brisket and butt in his bandera...and he uses wet chips. For the record....he has made no modifications to the Bandera, mops with an old sock, uses his Daddy's old recipe, and was bread on BBQ in Texas. Just worth noting, thar may be more than one way to skin a cat.

And I think I will find out what most of those ways are if I spend more time here among you all.

Bill-Chicago
01-25-2005, 09:59 PM
Bill....I am glad I found you too, and understand the popular opinion and science surrounding the negativity expressed toward wet chips. My only counter to this is: my fabled brother in law (Don't we all have one or two?) turns out great brisket and butt in his bandera...and he uses wet chips. For the record....he has made no modifications to the Bandera, mops with an old sock, uses his Daddy's old recipe, and was bread on BBQ in Texas. Just worth noting, thar may be more than one way to skin a cat.

And I think I will find out what most of those ways are if I spend more time here among you all.

G
I am no preaching. There are so many here that are turning out competition brisket, that I cannot even compare my Q too.

As for the brother in law, mine is from Texas, and he was shocked I knoew my **** and turned out good Q.

Let taste be the judge

jeffsasmokin
01-26-2005, 04:44 AM
'New' ones do not even come with door therm .... just a silver button ........

Thats what I got, and its worthless placement anyway.

I don't know that I'd say "worthless", Bill. True, that you can get a truer reading with the probe and a potato trick. But I've found that my door gauges are not far off from the mark. I use them more as a "quick read" for temperature spikes. Plus, when I've got 4 to 6 pieces of meat in the 'Dera, I don't need another probe to worry about. That's why I hang the oven gauges and adjust accordingly when I open the chamber to spray or mop.

G$'s right, there's more than one way - and that's waht this Forum's all about.........sharing ideas.

tommykendall
01-26-2005, 11:28 AM
I don't know that I'd say "worthless", Bill. True, that you can get a truer reading with the probe and a potato trick. But I've found that my door gauges are not far off from the mark.


If you got the NB brand, you're one lucky dog. I've had two that read from 20-35 degrees off - sometimes higher, sometimes lower. They do what they want to do. Lucky for my move, it's now more reliable than ever. Completely farking busted - least it's a consistent reading now - zero.

BigBelly
01-26-2005, 03:15 PM
Hell, I never even bothered with placing a thermo in that hole. I just used the little silver plug and made sure to run a bead of high heat silicon (the same kind I used for the door gasket) to seal it on up.

What I normally do is to dangle my probe down through the exhaust, making sure to wrap the extra wire around the exhaust tip once so it does not slip. Depending on how much meat I am cooking and what kind determines where I place my probe. If doing only ribs, pork butt or brisket then I make sure the meat is farther away from the bottom and firebox side with the probe dangling dead center of the cooker. If cooking chicken or turkey I tend to have those toward the bottom of the cooking chamber and closer to the firebox. At that point my probe would be hanging a little lower then usual.

Hehe -- he said "my probe"! =)

Bigmista
01-26-2005, 04:09 PM
Wait a minute, G$ - that doesn't mean G-money, does it? It means G-STRING! HEHEHE

<gets some more coffee>

Only a geek would get that.

Wait a minute...I got it...

Welcome G-Money! Tell Pookie I said wassup!

jeffsasmokin
01-26-2005, 05:16 PM
I don't know that I'd say "worthless", Bill. True, that you can get a truer reading with the probe and a potato trick. But I've found that my door gauges are not far off from the mark.


If you got the NB brand, you're one lucky dog. I've had two that read from 20-35 degrees off - sometimes higher, sometimes lower. They do what they want to do. Lucky for my move, it's now more reliable than ever. Completely farking busted - least it's a consistent reading now - zero.
What I normally do is to dangle my probe down through the exhaust, making sure to wrap the extra wire around the exhaust tip once so it does not slip. Depending on how much meat I am cooking and what kind determines where I place my probe. If doing only ribs, pork butt or brisket then I make sure the meat is farther away from the bottom and firebox side with the probe dangling dead center of the cooker. If cooking chicken or turkey I tend to have those toward the bottom of the cooking chamber and closer to the firebox. At that point my probe would be hanging a little lower then usual.

Bill, I do have the NB - and they both passed the 212* water test (+ or - 5*) How long that'll last.......who knows? Don't know if David Klose's gauges are any better or not, maybe someone who has one can comment.

Belly, I know that's how KC like to do his (he dangles his probe, too - hee, hee!) Where do you rest your thermo or transmitter? The cable on mine doesn't seem long enough to be able to rest it on a table or something nearby. (No Way, was I gonna say my probes not long enough! LMAO!)

BigBelly
01-26-2005, 06:44 PM
My Polder and Nu Temp have magnets so I just stick it right ot the side of the cooking chamber, all the way up top and on the opposite side of the firebox.

I make sure my probe is not touching anything: no meat, no grates, no side walls so I get an accurate reading.

jeffsasmokin
01-26-2005, 07:39 PM
My Polder and Nu Temp have magnets so I just stick it right ot the side of the cooking chamber, all the way up top and on the opposite side of the firebox.
.Really? The Chamber's not too hot for the plastic case? Figured it might damage the back of it.

Heath
01-26-2005, 07:47 PM
I have a piece of pressure treated 4 x 4 left over from a yard job that I set on top in front of the flue and i stand the thermo's on it.

BigBelly
01-27-2005, 08:41 AM
I was just going to say the exact same thing, almost. Just set your thermo on top of a chunk o wood on top of the cooking chamber.

I never cook over 230 so the cooking chambers surface never gets that hot.

jeffsasmokin
01-27-2005, 05:09 PM
OK, that seems more feasible. Even at 230*, I would think it would eventually damage the electronics or the case. Is it more accurate than the cheapo oven thermo's? I see alot of variance in the ones I get from Wally World. I actually found a "Mercury" oven thermo in stainless at the LNT clearance table - need to test it first, though.

Solidkick
01-27-2005, 05:19 PM
I don't know that I'd say "worthless", Bill. True, that you can get a truer reading with the probe and a potato trick. But I've found that my door gauges are not far off from the mark.


If you got the NB brand, you're one lucky dog. I've had two that read from 20-35 degrees off - sometimes higher, sometimes lower. They do what they want to do. Lucky for my move, it's now more reliable than ever. Completely farking busted - least it's a consistent reading now - zero.
What I normally do is to dangle my probe down through the exhaust, making sure to wrap the extra wire around the exhaust tip once so it does not slip. Depending on how much meat I am cooking and what kind determines where I place my probe. If doing only ribs, pork butt or brisket then I make sure the meat is farther away from the bottom and firebox side with the probe dangling dead center of the cooker. If cooking chicken or turkey I tend to have those toward the bottom of the cooking chamber and closer to the firebox. At that point my probe would be hanging a little lower then usual.

Bill, I do have the NB - and they both passed the 212* water test (+ or - 5*) How long that'll last.......who knows? Don't know if David Klose's gauges are any better or not, maybe someone who has one can comment.

Belly, I know that's how KC like to do his (he dangles his probe, too - hee, hee!) Where do you rest your thermo or transmitter? The cable on mine doesn't seem long enough to be able to rest it on a table or something nearby. (No Way, was I gonna say my probes not long enough! LMAO!)

Guys, you need to PM Spice and get one of his door thermometers. It is calabratable, and works wonderful. I got tired of my NB door thermometer reading 50* to 75* off. I stopped by the shop, picked up one of Jay's themometers, calibrated it, build a fire and checked it at shelf level even with the thermometer. It was within 2*

I'm thinking of drilling another hole further down the door, closer to the waterpan, and installing another one.

BTW, this is an unpaid advertisement, but it truly is a good thermometer.

jeffsasmokin
01-27-2005, 07:31 PM
Guys, you need to PM Spice and get one of his door thermometers. It is calabratable, and works wonderful. I got tired of my NB door thermometer reading 50* to 75* off. I stopped by the shop, picked up one of Jay's themometers, calibrated it, build a fire and checked it at shelf level even with the thermometer. It was within 2*

I'm thinking of drilling another hole further down the door, closer to the waterpan, and installing another one.

Alright, Kick! Thanx! I'm talking with Jay right now - never knew about those! I did exactly what you're wanting to do, with my NB's.