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The_Kapn
01-15-2005, 08:30 AM
Can someone 'splain to me how the "qualifiers" work?

I have found bits and peices of info from the Web, but some of it contradicts the other.

Also, anyone know how many "State Championships" a state can have?
The BullSheet lists several for many states. Florida had Plant City last Fall listed as a "State Championship" and now Lakeland is listed as "the State Championship".

So confusing, or just me?

No, I do not expect DF and me to win any of them, at least this year :cry:
I am just confused and curious!

Thanks,

TIM

parrothead
01-15-2005, 12:15 PM
I believe that kcbs is now changing state champ to "qualifier" . Mr Minion can most assuradely go into more detail on this.

BBQchef33
01-16-2005, 09:39 PM
qualifers have to be 25 teams or more but not necessarily be a state championship. State championships are by default qualifers and a state can have many championships.

I think in the case of multiple state championships, the Grand champion with the highest score goes to the Jack... I havent heard of cases where 2 grand champions made it to the jack.

Jim can better confirm this..

parrothead
01-16-2005, 09:42 PM
Jim can better confirm this..

That's what I said.

jminion
01-16-2005, 11:37 PM
If you have a proclamation from the govenor and have at least 25 teams or at least 50 teams without a proclamation that makes it a qualifier for the Jack. If there is more than one state championship that meets the requirement or a with cook with 50 team or more then all the winners are put into a draw for that state. As an example Oregon had 3 qualifiers last year, MO had maybe 14, WA had 3. They pick one team from each state during the draw the other winners would not get the invite.

The Royal is set up differently it invites most of the teams that would have won a championship in a state.
There is a new cook, the Greay American Cookout at the Kansas Speedway that you only need 10 teams to make it a qualifier, that number will more than likely go up in the next few years.

The_Kapn
01-17-2005, 08:45 AM
Thanks Sir Jim,

Does not make sense, but at least it is "the rules" and I can follow "rules" :lol:
I just have to clear my mind of the concept that there is only one champion (except in that college BCS thingie) for any title. I can do that!

The Royal is set up differently it invites most of the teams that would have won a championship in a state.

This has me a bit befuddled.
How do they determine that a team "would have won a championship?" Is that something different like "State Team of the Year", high total score in the state, or ????

Thanks a million.

TIM

jeffsasmokin
01-18-2005, 04:55 PM
makes it a qualifier for the Jack. . Ok guys, I'm trying to figure out the competition thing - that's why the OL and I are going to a few this year, to see how they are run and BS with the contestants. Please inform this relative newbie what the "Jack" is?

chad
01-18-2005, 05:02 PM
The Jack Daniel's Invitational in Lynchburg, TN. :D

jeffsasmokin
01-19-2005, 04:31 AM
The Jack Daniel's Invitational in Lynchburg, TN. :DI woke up this morning, and it hit me.............Duh! But thanks anyway. Is it a KCBS sanctioned event?

chad
01-19-2005, 06:14 AM
Nope! Jack Daniel's Invitational ONLY! It's a stand alone event - kind of like the Memphis in May - they have their own qualifying events.

jminion
01-19-2005, 09:41 AM
Jack use state championships but they can be KCBS, MIM, and other bodies out there that hold competitions.

chad
01-19-2005, 10:04 AM
Thank you Jim. :D I just meant that the Jack doesn't run their own series and that they are invitational only - no open division.

jeffsasmokin
01-19-2005, 04:55 PM
Ok - but so I can get a handle on all these separate events, what does "invitational" mean? I understand the term, but do you have to win or place in some other event to "qualify" or be invited to compete? I'm truly hoping one day to give it a shot - I'm just curious HOW you get to that point. You've got to start somewhere, right? Correct me if I'm wrong - but the Royal is KCBS's championship compitition, right? I mean, not just anybody can enter can they? And say you're in the top three at the Jack or Memphis - that doesn't count towards anything at another sanctioned event?

Hope I'm not asking too many questions, guys - I just want to understand.

chad
01-19-2005, 05:12 PM
Invitational means just what you think - you've got to be invited - either by winning a qualifying event or being drawn in a pool of "other qualified" teams.

The AR is the KCBS big event. There are actually two events going - the invitational and the Open - the Open is you and about 400 other teams!

Memphis in May is another big event and is very invitational (you gotta win a qualifier or get lucky in the pool drawing), same with the Jack - win a qualifier, etc. and you get into the pool for an invitation. The MiM is very pork centric - no brisket - and has a whole hog division, too.

And then there are state championships, the national cookoff in DC (nice prizes), a couple of "best of" cookoffs with merged rules and invites to the top teams of many of the "associations", etc.

It's easy to get confused. If you are going to start competing it's probably best to pick one organization for your first few sorties. As ticked off at FBA as Tim and I are it has still been a good learning experience and we were able to compete close to home.

KCBS is fine, too, if it's convenient for you. Rules are similar except for garnish in the boxes and turn-in schedule.

Go to a couple of events (like Okeechobee or Wauchula) and ask questions - just don't try and get answers after about 10 a.m. :D As you start getting closer to the turn-in times some teams get anal!! Even Tim gets "testy" as we get close to turn-in!! :twisted:

Look at the rigs and ask plenty of questions - I would advise not trying to get all the answers from one team! You'll see Lang 84s, occassionally a Klose (I'm talking about FL events), many of Smokey's smokers (look a LOT like Spicewines rigs), WSMs, homemades, etc.

I'm thinking about judging at Okeechobee and Wauchula. If you make it to one of them look the Brethren hat.

The_Kapn
01-19-2005, 07:50 PM
Even Tim gets "testy" as we get close to turn-in!!

YUP :twisted: --

I call it "focused" but "testy" works :lol:

Do your "exploring" outside of the turn-in windows for sure--go have a beer or do something safer :lol:

TIM

jeffsasmokin
01-20-2005, 04:02 AM
Even Tim gets "testy" as we get close to turn-in!!

YUP :twisted: --

I call it "focused" but "testy" works :lol:

Do your "exploring" outside of the turn-in windows for sure--go have a beer or do something safer :lol:

TIMTurn in is at 10 am? Why so early? The FBA in Okee is on Fri. and Sat., which is the better day to go, and how early should I get there (in order to bend some ears)? Sat. is much better for us, but we're very early risers.

chad
01-20-2005, 06:43 AM
Turn in starts at 11:00 so a lot of teams are starting to focus shortly after 10:00.

Friday is setup, cooks meeting, etc. Some events have "anything but", or other contests (beer can chicken, etc.).

Saturday is when most of the activity happens.

The best time to show up is probably 8:00 or 9:00 am. Everyone is starting to move around - the coffee is on at a lot of sites, all the meats are on so there is a bit of time to gab. 10:00 a.m. until about 2:05 p.m. is a great time to be around the cook off but do not expect a lot of chit-chat - at least fromt he competitors!!

After 2:00 is ok but most teams are whupped!!

The_Kapn
01-20-2005, 07:28 AM
Jeff--Friday night works fine too, if they are letting the public in.

Most of the teams are set up or almost ready, fires are just starting or about to get going. Coffee pots are hard to find, but a lot of the teams are "inbibing" fluids of unknown heritage :lol:

Overnight Friday and into the "wee hours" are when the teams do most of the internal visiting and such--great time normally while trying to stay awake :lol:

TIM

jeffsasmokin
01-20-2005, 04:38 PM
Good information, thanks guys! From a spectators viewpoint, are there things to do between 10 and 2? Sorry, but I've never even been to one of these events - so I don't know what to expect. Are there Beer Tents set up or do we need to bring the cooler? How about concession's? Remember, I'm bringing the Wife - she likes 'Q, but she's not as fanatic as I am, so I want to keep her busy as well. I know Okeechobee very well, so if not - I can keep busy.

The_Kapn
01-20-2005, 05:32 PM
Good information, thanks guys! From a spectators viewpoint, are there things to do between 10 and 2? Sorry, but I've never even been to one of these events - so I don't know what to expect. Are there Beer Tents set up or do we need to bring the cooler? How about concession's? Remember, I'm bringing the Wife - she likes 'Q, but she's not as fanatic as I am, so I want to keep her busy as well. I know Okeechobee very well, so if not - I can keep busy.
Jeff--plenty to do most of the time in my limited experience :lol:
BEER??? Plentiful so far :lol:
However, I just got the info for Crestview on 4-5 March. They are scheduled opposite the Al State Championships in Mobile (90 miles away) and the City will not allow booze--Period.
I wish them the best :lol:

I suggest you just go--don't think it through too hard!
Normally free or very low cost parking or entrance fee.
Cost (if any) depends on what else is going on at the site.
See what you think.

TIM

jeffsasmokin
01-20-2005, 07:02 PM
Good information, thanks guys! From a spectators viewpoint, are there things to do between 10 and 2? Sorry, but I've never even been to one of these events - so I don't know what to expect. Are there Beer Tents set up or do we need to bring the cooler? How about concession's? Remember, I'm bringing the Wife - she likes 'Q, but she's not as fanatic as I am, so I want to keep her busy as well. I know Okeechobee very well, so if not - I can keep busy.
Jeff--plenty to do most of the time in my limited experience :lol:
BEER??? Plentiful so far :lol:
However, I just got the info for Crestview on 4-5 March. They are scheduled opposite the Al State Championships in Mobile (90 miles away) and the City will not allow booze--Period.
I wish them the best :lol:

I suggest you just go--don't think it through too hard!
Normally free or very low cost parking or entrance fee.
Cost (if any) depends on what else is going on at the site.
See what you think.

TIMWell, that's pretty much what I had in mind - just thought I'd get some insite on it. Really looking forward to going!!!

parrothead
01-20-2005, 09:18 PM
There is always the wandering around and looking at everybody's pits.

Solidkick
01-20-2005, 10:07 PM
Even Tim gets "testy" as we get close to turn-in!!

YUP :twisted: --

I call it "focused" but "testy" works :lol:

Do your "exploring" outside of the turn-in windows for sure--go have a beer or do something safer :lol:

TIM

I'll have to remember the "I call it "focused"" part. I about drove BellyBro nutz, giving him a minute by minute countdown until each turn in time, then i hit the "panic" button when the boxes weren't ready at 5 minutes til turn in. we laugh about it now, but I admit, I was a major pain in the ass, no sleep, running on coffee, nicotine and adrenaline. I couldn't have been more "focused"!!!! No, I was jacked up!!
Man, the crash came hard too!!

The_Kapn
01-21-2005, 03:49 PM
BRO KICK,
DF and I have settled into a nice groove for turn-in windows, at least for now. Each of us has things we prefer to do and it works out fine, most of the time. Roles are still evolving, but we have had no problem hitting the first half or middle of the window OK.

Stress level goes down with each event :lol:
But I am sure it will never go away :cry:

My personal goal in life is to find a Pork Turn-in that will score Max. All teams have the same challenge of "How in the hell do you make pulled pork pretty?". The ones I have judged were just pork piled in the container. How dull--No imagination at all! We are getting closer to great appearance scores, but not quite there yet.

TIM