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jbrink01
03-08-2011, 11:00 PM
So I'm not about to make vague statements and accusations here. What frustrates me is when cheating is overlooked. Good friend cooked his first and only contest last year. We were chatting about it Sunday as it's coming up again. While discussing teams around him he tells me that team xxxxxx used a torch on their chicken. He never told the rep's because "nobody came by". P*ssed me off! If you see someone cheat it's your RESPONSIBILITY to turn them in. Wish that point was hammered home a bit more........there, I'm done. Thanks for the rant.

Jeff_in_KC
03-09-2011, 12:00 AM
Very good point! Turn them in to reps!

HOG WILD BBQ
03-09-2011, 06:31 AM
it will bite them back

Hub
03-09-2011, 06:34 AM
Totally agree!! I've seen very little cheating in the comps I've done but the folks who do it certainly don't deserve a walk -- except to leave the grounds -- so please let the rep know. Fair competition is fun competition :-D

Balls Casten
03-09-2011, 07:30 AM
Any time I have seen anything I have politly mentioned to the team "Hey you know thats illegal, right". All have been new teams and welcomed the help. I assume I would go to a rep if I ever got a buzz off response.

Once saw a guy who had sliced his butt and was braising medalions in a pan over his fire box. They were damn good by the way. He thought he was ok because he was not using gas.

trueque
03-09-2011, 07:50 AM
Ignorance is bliss, but with printed rules I am not sure that it should be an excuse.

Bunny
03-09-2011, 07:59 AM
So I'm not about to make vague statements and accusations here. What frustrates me is when cheating is overlooked. Good friend cooked his first and only contest last year. We were chatting about it Sunday as it's coming up again. While discussing teams around him he tells me that team xxxxxx used a torch on their chicken. He never told the rep's because "nobody came by". P*ssed me off! If you see someone cheat it's your RESPONSIBILITY to turn them in. Wish that point was hammered home a bit more........there, I'm done. Thanks for the rant.

Jeff,
That is so hard to hear from a reps point of view. During the chicken cooking, we're usually inside giving the judges meeting and making sure everyone is in place before cookers bring the chicken in. You are right, if we don't hear about it, we'll probably never see it. Reps can't be everywhere and cannot police the situation. Therefore, it needs to be reported. By your friend telling you about it after the fact, he knew he was cheating. Bad form!

Bunny
03-09-2011, 08:01 AM
I don't mean your friend, but the team that was cheating knew it. If they didn't and your friend turned them in, they would have known after a rep spoke with that team because we would have DQ'd the chicken.

Alexa RnQ
03-09-2011, 06:29 PM
We hear about things like this from time to time, and the person who declines to confront or report usually has the same motivation -- nobody wants to be the big meanie butthole. The same goes for nobody making the call when quiet time is being abused.

Nobody wants to be the buzzkill, but everybody wants their endeavors in this sport to be respected. I would contend that part of that respect should be universal respect for the rules. There will always be those who try to skate the gray lines or semantics of rulings, and they should be vigorously called out by those who pursue this endeavor with integrity.

goodbuddiesbbq
03-09-2011, 06:53 PM
Any time I have seen anything I have politly mentioned to the team "Hey you know thats illegal, right". All have been new teams and welcomed the help. I assume I would go to a rep if I ever got a buzz off response.

I think ^^^is the way to go...we should care if rules are being broken, but don't ruin your own weekend by getting the team dq'd unless they tell you to play in traffic.

If it is a veteran...I would hit em with what my wife tells me:

"The right thing never changes"

I hate when she says that...everyday...multiple times...before I even wake up.

CivilWarBBQ
03-09-2011, 09:11 PM
Everybody has a camera in their phone these days. Snap a pic just in case, and then do as Balls suggests. If the violator doesn't make it right, show it to the Rep. Easy Peasey.

The Virginian
03-10-2011, 10:44 AM
I would suggest you mention to the team if you see that happening. Believe it or not, it might not have occured to a new team that it was illegal. When the rules say " no cooking with gas", people think cooker, not torch. Its no excuse, but it could well be an honest rookie mistake. I speak from personal experience in this regard.

Brett

DawgPhan
03-10-2011, 03:21 PM
no one likes a tattle tell.

roksmith
03-10-2011, 03:29 PM
Fewer like a cheat.

jbrink01
03-10-2011, 06:40 PM
I don't mean your friend, but the team that was cheating knew it. If they didn't and your friend turned them in, they would have known after a rep spoke with that team because we would have DQ'd the chicken.

Thanks Bunny, I agree totally. If nobody tells you guys, how does anyone know?

jbrink01
03-10-2011, 06:42 PM
no one likes a tattle tell.

I could give a sh*t less what people like. I agree that it should be mentioned to the team first but then it goes to the rep.

jrbBBQ
03-10-2011, 06:57 PM
As a new team starting this year, I expect experienced teams to point out if I'm doing anything wrong. I've read the rules for kcbs a few times but I don't want to be dq'd for something stupid that I or one of my teammates have done. A question I have is.. After I seperate the flat from the point on a brisket, can I put cubes of the point back on the cooker to get more color?

Jacked UP BBQ
03-10-2011, 07:00 PM
There should be no cheating in cooking, but in this case there is.

Capn Kev
03-10-2011, 08:19 PM
I agree, it probably happens more than we all know.

However, something like using a mini Creme Brulee torch to caramelize your sauce is pretty cool. :-D I wish the process was legal. I have never tried it, but would that qualify as using an artificial heat source to "cook" your meat? Are you really cooking your meat with a butane torch? It's only enough to caramelize the sauce.

I will say, if I see someone cheating, I don't give a crap if I hurt their feelings. If they are a new team, I will clearly clarify the rules. If it's an experienced team, I'm going straight to the rep. $10-$20k in prize money is on the line, and it's only fair to all competitors if we're competing on the same ground rules.

AZScott
03-10-2011, 09:08 PM
jrbBBQ, it's only pork that you can't do that with. Put your burnt ends back in and feel good about it.

DawgPhan
03-10-2011, 09:14 PM
Fewer like a cheat.


but thats on them. The only cheating I care about would have to happen in the judges tent and I can't tell on those folks anyway. Grown men ought to mind their own business.

txschutte
03-10-2011, 09:22 PM
but thats on them. The only cheating I care about would have to happen in the judges tent and I can't tell on those folks anyway. Grown men ought to mind their own business.

How often have you used a torch to brown your chicken skin?

If a guy is trying to fark an honest person out of prize money I make it my business. Cheating like that is no less of a crime than theft. I hate a thief.

jbrink01
03-10-2011, 09:27 PM
but thats on them. The only cheating I care about would have to happen in the judges tent and I can't tell on those folks anyway. Grown men ought to mind their own business.

Just dont cheat where I can see you and we'll never have an issue. Responsible members of a society do whats best for the society without regard for personal welfare. In other words, I'll step up and call out somebody who is so insecure in their ability that they cheat.

DawgPhan
03-10-2011, 09:34 PM
How often have you used a torch to brown your chicken skin?

If a guy is trying to fark an honest person out of prize money I make it my business. Cheating like that is no less of a crime than theft. I hate a thief.

:roll:

txschutte
03-10-2011, 09:41 PM
:roll:

Go ahead, say whats on your mind. I got my big boy pants on.

QansasjayhawQ
03-10-2011, 10:11 PM
I would definitely give them the benefit of telling them what's up with cooking with gas. We all say that it's clearly illegal - but really, are they cooking the meat with gas? I think Capn Kev brings up a good point because I can see how (especially) a rookie team could make that mistake.

In any case, I don't even start my fires with gas or electric - I keep that material away from my bbq!

On the other hand, it has been good to have help from experienced teams if I am doing something wrong and I don't realize it. (Thanks, Dusty!)

On the third hand, if someone's a stinkin' cheater thief who doesn't care that they're cheating - then I'd definitely let a rep or organizer know about it.

Good discussion!

smalls65
03-11-2011, 06:04 AM
I could give a sh*t less what people like. I agree that it should be mentioned to the team first but then it goes to the rep.

Well said!!! Rules are Rules!!!! :thumb:

Juggy D Beerman
03-11-2011, 04:27 PM
I have no problem informing a cheater that they are in violation of the rules. If they claim ignorance and correct their honest mistake, I will let it go at that. However, they continue what they are doing or deny that they are cheating, I will rat on them in a heart beat. The way I look at it, is this. If you see cheating and let it go, you aren't much better than the cheater themselves.

I use a propane torch to fire up my big smoker in the morning of turn-ins. When I do this, I open both set of doors on my smoker before I fire it up. I also get two witnesses from other teams to verify that I am not cooking with gas. And I am not paranoid, I just like covering my pork butt........

Porters,

Juggy

Scottie
03-11-2011, 04:33 PM
i do the same thing Juggy. I make sure someone (other team) is around if I have to light my pit back up...