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Butt-A-Bing!
03-07-2011, 12:55 PM
Hey all, we are getting a Backwoods soon. Looking for some advice on our decision. In a perfect world it would be a Fatboy no question. We use a travel trailer at comps. So the cooker has to be loaded in the back an Expedition. The party would be no problem loading. Fatboy would be tougher and since it is just my wife and I, and me with a bad shoulder we are concerned we will have trouble. Anyone have experience with both cookers full of comp. meats? Difference in results? Problems with airflow on a loaded party? Tough decision here. I've owned a Fatboy, so I know it pretty well.

Homebrewed Q
03-07-2011, 02:05 PM
So I'm guessing that you pull the travel trailer with the Expedition? I have my Fatboy mounted on a receiver hitch rack, makes it easier to load with 1 or 2 people.

KC_Bobby
03-07-2011, 03:00 PM
Depending on your exact trailer, you might look into having a ramp built on the back bumper that it could roll on and off of. Kinda like for scooters and such.

Chipper
03-07-2011, 03:16 PM
You know the Fatboy is pretty darned heavy, but I can't imagine going smaller for comps if you plan to do ribs, pork, and briskets in it.
Hope to see you at a comp this year.

Jacked UP BBQ
03-07-2011, 03:49 PM
Just bought a FATBOY and it is sweet!

HandsomeSwede
03-07-2011, 04:24 PM
Just made this decision: Fatboy. Planned on the Party but after looking at it didn't think I could fit spares much less brisket packers. Also heard of some air flow issues with loaded up Partys but have never cooked on one personally.

If you want to use it just for baby backs and chicken it would be fine.

glenntm
03-07-2011, 06:59 PM
If you go Party look at the Extended Party. That 4 inches is really great to have if your going to cook multiple comp meats in there.

Butt-A-Bing!
03-07-2011, 07:55 PM
You know the Fatboy is pretty darned heavy, but I can't imagine going smaller for comps if you plan to do ribs, pork, and briskets in it.
Hope to see you at a comp this year.

Hey Chip. The extended party has the same cooking space. we will probably go with the fatboy however. They are almost the same exact price. I'll just have to get creative with it to get it in the Expedition.

bmanMA
03-07-2011, 08:20 PM
my extended party is in town on the back of a truck. i liked the weight and the removable water pan. upgraded it a bit... woo-hoo!

Bones
03-07-2011, 09:03 PM
could a smoker be mounted on the A frame of the trailer?

NorthwestBBQ
03-07-2011, 09:58 PM
The Party weighs 130 LBS, the Fatboy weighs 275 LBS. If you need to move it easily, I would go for the Party.

glenntm
03-07-2011, 10:01 PM
The Party weighs 130 LBS, the Fatboy weighs 275 LBS. If you need to move it easily, I would go for the Party.

If the standard Party is tight on space look at the Extended Party. It adds 4 inches of depth. The weight is much less than the Fatboy. On a hand truck they are very easy to move. We have 2 Partys, and a Chubby.

Hot Wachula's
03-08-2011, 08:17 AM
For the Party, you would have to trim a few bones off the spares to fit in a standard. Large briskets dont fit that well so I shoot for 10-12lb.ers. I cook all 4 meats in a party. You just have to put the meat on @8pm to have the pork & brisket off before ribs need to go on. You also want to make sure your ribs are wrapped before the chicken goes on.

I just slide it in the back of the van. I can say it does shorten the lifespan of the cooker and beats up the exterior. Mine is about to get retired. Its held together with foil tape.
Waiting on my new shipment of smokers to come in in May.

Also, dont forget about the Gater. Similar to a Fatboy but 3-4 inched deeper.

huminie
03-08-2011, 12:17 PM
Since we have a bunch of BWS experts on this thread, I have a question for you. I need to load my fatboy into the back of my full size long bed pick up truck (F-350 dually). I was planning on getting a trailer, but the finances don't allow right now. I bought an appliance cart for moving it around, but it takes 2-4 guys to lift it in and out. I hate relying on others and prefer to be able to do things myself.

So, for you guys with Fatboys, do you think a ramp like this would work for loading into a truck like mine using an appliance cart? http://www.autoanything.com/hitch-bed-accessories/69A2841A0A0.aspx

I am thinking it will be easy to get someone (like my wife) to help push if needed, but I won't need another adult male to help with one of these.

KC_Bobby
03-08-2011, 01:04 PM
Huminie,
For that price you could damn near buy a small used trailer or have something made that goes into your hitch receiver. That ramp could spell trouble as soon as you're on unlevel surface or loading it after a comp and tired.

huminie
03-08-2011, 01:31 PM
I hear you...but in either case, I still have to lift it up off the ground, requiring more people. After a contest I can always get a hand, but loading up to go is where I see the big benefit.

I am still exploring options, but lifting it in and out is already getting old.

Bourbon Barrel BBQ
03-08-2011, 03:32 PM
Since we have a bunch of BWS experts on this thread, I have a question for you. I need to load my fatboy into the back of my full size long bed pick up truck (F-350 dually). I was planning on getting a trailer, but the finances don't allow right now. I bought an appliance cart for moving it around, but it takes 2-4 guys to lift it in and out. I hate relying on others and prefer to be able to do things myself.

So, for you guys with Fatboys, do you think a ramp like this would work for loading into a truck like mine using an appliance cart? http://www.autoanything.com/hitch-bed-accessories/69A2841A0A0.aspx

I am thinking it will be easy to get someone (like my wife) to help push if needed, but I won't need another adult male to help with one of these.

Or you could get this permanently mount it, never have to lift it again, and it's cheaper. :)

http://www.harborfreight.com/870-lb-capacity-40-inch-x-49-inch-heavy-duty-utility-trailer-with-8-inch-wheels-and-tires-42708.html

smokinit
03-08-2011, 04:40 PM
my extended party is in town on the back of a truck. i liked the weight and the removable water pan. upgraded it a bit... woo-hoo!
Hey bud let me know that all is ok with it when you get it.

huminie
03-08-2011, 04:51 PM
Or you could get this permanently mount it, never have to lift it again, and it's cheaper. :)

http://www.harborfreight.com/870-lb-capacity-40-inch-x-49-inch-heavy-duty-utility-trailer-with-8-inch-wheels-and-tires-42708.html

Interesting idea for sure. But I have plans to get a toyhauler at some point in the future, so I would need to tear this down when that day comes.

I will put some thought into it though.

Butt-A-Bing!
03-08-2011, 05:40 PM
I'm hoping to find a used one. I know... I'm a dreamer.:rolleyes:

Butt-A-Bing!
03-10-2011, 07:23 PM
Anyone have pics of their standard party loaded with comp meats?

Just Smokin' Around
03-10-2011, 09:34 PM
Huminie, I use these to load my fatboy on and off my truck and trailer. I made a modification for stability (you may not need that if using a hand truck). I used a 3/4" of ply wood and put 1x8 under the plywood where these connect to give me the same thickness of a 2x8. Screw the plywood to the 1x8. I also cut the plywood to 6 feet so it would fit in the truck.

If you are using a hand truck or have some help, you don't have to worry about the larger platform the plywood give you. I used just the ramps a few times by myself, but it was tough to manage sometimes rolling it on and off, so I added the plywood which makes it easy to do by myself.

When I was just using the ramps, I glued on some old roof shingles I had for a non-slip surface. Wood can get slippery when wet.

http://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Cargo-Control/Highland/07005.html?feed=npn&gclid=CLamgsHHxacCFYx_5Qodygy4DA

Just Smokin' Around
03-10-2011, 09:48 PM
Chris, Get the Fatboy and figure out a way to roll it into your travel trailer. It might fit through the door.
If you have to use the Expedition, you can flip it into the SUV on its back - lift from the bottom and push it in on the back. You can use the edge of floor for the SUV as a fulcrum point. Obviously, you need to make sure there is no ash or water in it and I would have an old blanket to put it on. You might even be able to use a jack to raise it up some to make it easier.

huminie
03-10-2011, 11:12 PM
Huminie, I use these to load my fatboy on and off my truck and trailer. I made a modification for stability (you may not need that if using a hand truck). I used a 3/4" of ply wood and put 1x8 under the plywood where these connect to give me the same thickness of a 2x8. Screw the plywood to the 1x8. I also cut the plywood to 6 feet so it would fit in the truck.

If you are using a hand truck or have some help, you don't have to worry about the larger platform the plywood give you. I used just the ramps a few times by myself, but it was tough to manage sometimes rolling it on and off, so I added the plywood which makes it easy to do by myself.

When I was just using the ramps, I glued on some old roof shingles I had for a non-slip surface. Wood can get slippery when wet.

http://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Cargo-Control/Highland/07005.html?feed=npn&gclid=CLamgsHHxacCFYx_5Qodygy4DA

Interesting idea. So you just cut the plywood to fit the bed of your truck and then you can load all your junk on top?

How sturdy is the 3/4" plywood at a 6 ft length? No concerns having a 300lb smoker and a couple of full sized humans on it?

Just Smokin' Around
03-12-2011, 10:05 AM
Interesting idea. So you just cut the plywood to fit the bed of your truck and then you can load all your junk on top?

How sturdy is the 3/4" plywood at a 6 ft length? No concerns having a 300lb smoker and a couple of full sized humans on it?

I haven't really hauled it in the truck, but, I have a 6' foot bed. I mostly use the ramp to get the Fatboy on and off a utility trailer. I have use the ramps with 2x8's (no plywood change) to get it on and off my pick-up a number of times ( but was difficult sometimes by myself). It was strong enough - keeping it stable going up and down the ramp was the hard part - with two people, that is not an issue. Hauling the plywood ramp around might get cumbersome. I think you can get away with the original design using 2x8's and they are easy to transport in the truck. If you are concerned about the ramps bowing when on it, use jack stands underneath for added support.

For the plywood adaptation, the 1x8's are only about 2 feet apart under the plywood. They start about 6-8 inches in from the edge. This provides good strength. I didn't know if I needed or not, but I then cut 2 pieces to go between the 1x8's for a little added strength (kind of like and "H" shape). I get very little bowing when rolling the BW (275 pounds) and me (220 pounds) up and down the ramp.

Good luck. I think this might be an inexpensive alternative until you get a trailer. Also, the ramps are handy for loading other equipment on and off your truck.

Butt-A-Bing!
03-12-2011, 10:38 PM
Chris, Get the Fatboy and figure out a way to roll it into your travel trailer. It might fit through the door.
If you have to use the Expedition, you can flip it into the SUV on its back - lift from the bottom and push it in on the back. You can use the edge of floor for the SUV as a fulcrum point. Obviously, you need to make sure there is no ash or water in it and I would have an old blanket to put it on. You might even be able to use a jack to raise it up some to make it easier.

Hey Bill! What's up? I'm gonna keep an eye out for a Fatboy. Not looking to buy a new one right now. Looks like we will be cooking on the Ugly Drums for now.. You gonna be at Naptown?

lunchlady
03-13-2011, 04:37 PM
my .02 cents...

the Fatboy does seem bigger, but I really think the Party somehow has more cooking space. We do NOT cook all four meats on the Party though, we use another cooker for briskets. We do however always cook spares, and they fit fine once they are trimmed to St. Louis'.

the Fatboy is WAY heavier than even the upgraded Party. On the rare occasion Gary has loaded it into the trailer alone, and we do not have a ramp or wheels. The two of us can load it into any pick-up as well.

We have used one Backwoods Party and one WSM since we started competing, and they have NEVER let us down.
For my money I'd go with the Party.

Just Smokin' Around
03-15-2011, 10:49 PM
Hey Bill! What's up? I'm gonna keep an eye out for a Fatboy. Not looking to buy a new one right now. Looks like we will be cooking on the Ugly Drums for now.. You gonna be at Naptown?

You did rather well with those drums last year. No need to give them up. I'll be out of the country most of April and won't make it to Salisbury. Our first KCBS contest won't be until Middletown, DE in May.

Good luck with which ever model you decide to go with.

rxcellentq
03-16-2011, 09:43 PM
my buddy and i thought long about this. when we went to buy looked at both and brought home the Fatboy. It weighs a ton but that insulation holds temp steady even when you are out practicing at 20 degrees

Podge
03-16-2011, 10:06 PM
my buddy and i thought long about this. when we went to buy looked at both and brought home the Fatboy. It weighs a ton but that insulation holds temp steady even when you are out practicing at 20 degrees

you did good !