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Capn Kev
02-26-2011, 06:53 PM
This is what I've heard so far...I don't have any additional results yet:

Brazen BBQ - GC
IAB30 - RGC

Bigmista
02-26-2011, 06:54 PM
Wow! I know who to watch out for in Wildomar!

ThomEmery
02-26-2011, 06:55 PM
Lots of practice been goin on
Two great teams on the way up :)

Capn Kev
02-26-2011, 07:08 PM
Results were just posted over at KCBS...

http://www.kcbs.us/events.php?year=2011&month=2&id=2435

bbqfun
02-26-2011, 07:23 PM
Congrats John and Brad and Tom and Glenn on you GC & RCG.. Well deserved!

big brother smoke
02-26-2011, 07:27 PM
Ohhh boy, John is hot, congrats!

YankeeBBQ
02-26-2011, 07:56 PM
Does anybody know if Butcher's Daughter is actually Fast Eddy? :shock:

swamprb
02-26-2011, 08:09 PM
Interesting results, anybody know what Johnny Rotisserie was cooking on?

big brother smoke
02-26-2011, 08:27 PM
Grand Champion: Brazen BBQ
Reserve Champion: I.A.B 30 BBQ

Overall:
1 Brazen BBQ
2 I.A.B 30 BBQ
3 Pellet Envy
4 Pit-n-Pits BBQ
5 McFrankenboo BBQ
6 Big Poppa Smokers
7 Slap Yo' Daddy BBQ
8 R & R BBQ
9 Swine Assassins
10 Ryhthm 'n Que
11 Grills Gone Wild
12 Little Miss BBQ
13 Whiskey Ranch BBQ
14 Dry 2 da Bone
15 Smoke N the Rockies
16 Pete's Firehouse BBQ
17 Sweet Peppers
18 Smokin' Triggers
19 White Oak Creek Smokers
20 Smokey Bones
21 All Hogs got to Heaven
22 Papa's Smokehouse
23 The Smokin' B.A.R.
24 BBQ Junkie
25 Who's Laughing Now BBQ
26 Smoked to the Bone
27 Route 66 Catering Crew
28 Porketeers
29 Backdraft BBQ
30 Daddy O's Smokin' BBQ
31 Desert Ridge Pitmasters
32 Front Range BBQ Boy
33 Left Coast Q
34 Butcher's Daughter BBQ
35 Pork U
36 Woodhouse Barbecue
37 BBQ Magic
38 One Smoke Over the Line
39 AZTEC BBQ
40 Piggy D's BBQ
41 Knock UR Sox Off BBQ
42 Tropical Heat BBQ
43 Steel City BBQ
44 Sin City Smokers
45 Smoke'n Bones
46 Pullin' DA Bone
47 BBQ PHX
48 Ranch 13 BBQ
49 Trailhound Smokers BBQ
50 Loot N' Booty BBQ
51 The Cowboy Way
52 Addicted to Smokin
53 Jay Willies Whiskey Pit
54 Meat, Inc
55 Smokin S' Wine
56 Bowling Over Pigs
57 The Arizona Kid
58 When Pigs Fly
59 Smoke Slayers
60 Smokin Dead Meat
61 Big Rack BBQ
62 Andrews Rib Shack
63 Satisfied Hogs
64 Casper Mountain BBQ
65 Smokin in Mesquite
66 Butthead BBQ
67 Pork Butt Pirates
68 Smokin Envy BBQ
69 Mua BBQ & Company
70 Sauce Goddess Comp. Q Te
71 The Cowboy & The Rose
72 Susie's Q Southern BBQ
73 Montana Bar BQ
74 T-Bone's Famous
75 Big O's BBQ 2 Hot 4 You
76 Smokin Goatheads
77 Two Smokin' Guys
78 Jonny Rotisserie


Chicken:
1 Little Miss BBQ
2 Ryhthm 'n Que
3 McFrankenboo BBQ
4 Backdraft BBQ
5 Porketeers
6 Big Poppa Smokers
7 I.A.B 30 BBQ
8 Sin City Smokers
9 Pellet Envy
10 R & R BBQ
11 Pete's Firehouse BBQ
12 Swine Assassins
13 Pit-n-Pits BBQ
14 Who's Laughing Now BBQ
15 Brazen BBQ
16 AZTEC BBQ
17 Left Coast Q
18 Butcher's Daughter BBQ
19 Smoked to the Bone
20 Dry 2 da Bone
21 Front Range BBQ Boy
22 White Oak Creek Smokers
23 Pullin' DA Bone
24 Daddy O's Smokin' BBQ
25 Whiskey Ranch BBQ
26 BBQ PHX
27 BBQ Magic
28 Bowling Over Pigs
29 One Smoke Over the Line
30 Grills Gone Wild
31 Slap Yo' Daddy BBQ
32 Big O's BBQ 2 Hot 4 You
33 Piggy D's BBQ
34 Jonny Rotisserie
35 Smokin' Triggers
36 The Cowboy & The Rose
37 Sweet Peppers
38 Knock UR Sox Off BBQ
39 Smokin in Mesquite
40 Satisfied Hogs
41 All Hogs got to Heaven
42 Big Rack BBQ
43 Desert Ridge Pitmasters
44 Smokin Goatheads
45 Smoke'n Bones
46 Pork U
47 Smokey Bones
48 Susie's Q Southern BBQ
49 Ranch 13 BBQ
50 BBQ Junkie
51 Tropical Heat BBQ
52 Smokin Dead Meat
53 The Smokin' B.A.R.
54 Meat, Inc
55 The Arizona Kid
56 Mua BBQ & Company
57 Smokin Envy BBQ
58 Trailhound Smokers BBQ
59 Papa's Smokehouse
60 Steel City BBQ
61 The Cowboy Way
62 Smoke N the Rockies
63 Jay Willies Whiskey Pit
64 Smoke Slayers
65 Route 66 Catering Crew
66 Casper Mountain BBQ
67 Andrews Rib Shack
68 When Pigs Fly
69 Butthead BBQ
70 Woodhouse Barbecue
71 Addicted to Smokin
72 Smokin S' Wine
73 Pork Butt Pirates
74 Loot N' Booty BBQ
75 T-Bone's Famous
76 Sauce Goddess Comp. Q Te
77 Montana Bar BQ


Ribs:
1 AZTEC BBQ
2 Pit-n-Pits BBQ
3 R & R BBQ
4 Swine Assassins
5 BBQ Junkie
6 Left Coast Q
7 Smoke N the Rockies
8 Smoke Slayers
9 One Smoke Over the Line
10 I.A.B 30 BBQ
11 Dry 2 da Bone
12 Brazen BBQ
13 Sweet Peppers
14 Big Poppa Smokers
15 Papa's Smokehouse
16 Ranch 13 BBQ
17 Front Range BBQ Boy
18 Big O's BBQ 2 Hot 4 You
19 Smokin' Triggers
20 Pellet Envy
21 Grills Gone Wild
22 Butcher's Daughter BBQ
23 Smokey Bones
24 Ryhthm 'n Que
25 BBQ Magic
26 Little Miss BBQ
27 Route 66 Catering Crew
28 Slap Yo' Daddy BBQ
29 Who's Laughing Now BBQ
30 The Smokin' B.A.R.
31 Whiskey Ranch BBQ
32 Sin City Smokers
33 Daddy O's Smokin' BBQ
34 Meat, Inc
35 McFrankenboo BBQ
36 Addicted to Smokin
37 Tropical Heat BBQ
38 Smoked to the Bone
39 Desert Ridge Pitmasters
40 White Oak Creek Smokers
41 Susie's Q Southern BBQ
42 When Pigs Fly
43 Piggy D's BBQ
44 All Hogs got to Heaven
45 Pork U
46 Montana Bar BQ
47 Trailhound Smokers BBQ
48 Smoke'n Bones
49 Andrews Rib Shack
50 Smokin S' Wine
51 Pete's Firehouse BBQ
52 Casper Mountain BBQ
53 Loot N' Booty BBQ
54 Mua BBQ & Company
55 Satisfied Hogs
56 Knock UR Sox Off BBQ
57 Backdraft BBQ
58 Pullin' DA Bone
59 Smokin Goatheads
60 Woodhouse Barbecue
61 Smokin in Mesquite
62 The Cowboy Way
63 Steel City BBQ
64 T-Bone's Famous
65 BBQ PHX
66 Butthead BBQ
67 Smokin Dead Meat
68 Pork Butt Pirates
69 Big Rack BBQ
70 Smokin Envy BBQ
71 Porketeers
72 Jay Willies Whiskey Pit
73 Sauce Goddess Comp. Q Te
74 The Arizona Kid
75 The Cowboy & The Rose
76 Bowling Over Pigs


Pork:
1 Smokey Bones
2 Pellet Envy
3 McFrankenboo BBQ
4 Ryhthm 'n Que
5 Whiskey Ranch BBQ
6 Brazen BBQ
7 Big Poppa Smokers
8 Slap Yo' Daddy BBQ
9 Piggy D's BBQ
10 Smoked to the Bone
11 Pork U
12 Steel City BBQ
13 Grills Gone Wild
14 All Hogs got to Heaven
15 The Cowboy Way
16 White Oak Creek Smokers
17 The Smokin' B.A.R.
18 Pete's Firehouse BBQ
19 Porketeers
20 Sweet Peppers
21 Papa's Smokehouse
22 Woodhouse Barbecue
23 Sin City Smokers
24 Smoke'n Bones
25 Little Miss BBQ
26 I.A.B 30 BBQ
27 When Pigs Fly
28 Smoke N the Rockies
29 Left Coast Q
30 Two Smokin' Guys
31 Tropical Heat BBQ
32 Addicted to Smokin
33 Route 66 Catering Crew
34 Backdraft BBQ
35 Swine Assassins
36 BBQ Junkie
37 Smokin' Triggers
38 Daddy O's Smokin' BBQ
39 Jay Willies Whiskey Pit
40 Montana Bar BQ
41 Butcher's Daughter BBQ
42 Big Rack BBQ
43 BBQ Magic
44 Pit-n-Pits BBQ
45 R & R BBQ
46 Smokin Goatheads
47 Andrews Rib Shack
48 Who's Laughing Now BBQ
49 Bowling Over Pigs
50 Butthead BBQ
51 Loot N' Booty BBQ
52 Sauce Goddess Comp. Q Te
53 Front Range BBQ Boy
54 Dry 2 da Bone
55 Ranch 13 BBQ
56 Pullin' DA Bone
57 Trailhound Smokers BBQ
58 One Smoke Over the Line
59 The Arizona Kid
60 Smokin S' Wine
61 Knock UR Sox Off BBQ
62 Smokin in Mesquite
63 BBQ PHX
64 Smokin Dead Meat
65 Smokin Envy BBQ
66 Desert Ridge Pitmasters
67 Meat, Inc
68 AZTEC BBQ
69 Pork Butt Pirates
70 T-Bone's Famous
71 Smoke Slayers
72 Casper Mountain BBQ
73 Mua BBQ & Company
74 Susie's Q Southern BBQ
75 The Cowboy & The Rose
76 Satisfied Hogs
77 Big O's BBQ 2 Hot 4 You


Brisket:
1 Desert Ridge Pitmasters
2 I.A.B 30 BBQ
3 Slap Yo' Daddy BBQ
4 Brazen BBQ
5 Smoke N the Rockies
6 Loot N' Booty BBQ
7 Woodhouse Barbecue
8 Route 66 Catering Crew
9 Grills Gone Wild
10 Dry 2 da Bone
11 Pit-n-Pits BBQ
12 Smokin' Triggers
13 Knock UR Sox Off BBQ
14 BBQ PHX
15 The Arizona Kid
16 All Hogs got to Heaven
17 Smokin S' Wine
18 R & R BBQ
19 Trailhound Smokers BBQ
20 Swine Assassins
21 White Oak Creek Smokers
22 Whiskey Ranch BBQ
23 Pete's Firehouse BBQ
24 Jay Willies Whiskey Pit
25 Big O's BBQ 2 Hot 4 You
26 Papa's Smokehouse
27 The Smokin' B.A.R.
28 McFrankenboo BBQ
29 Sweet Peppers
30 Porketeers
31 Pellet Envy
32 Satisfied Hogs
33 Steel City BBQ
34 Little Miss BBQ
35 Daddy O's Smokin' BBQ
36 Meat, Inc
37 Big Poppa Smokers
38 Pullin' DA Bone
39 BBQ Junkie
40 Pork Butt Pirates
41 Smokin Dead Meat
42 Bowling Over Pigs
43 Backdraft BBQ
44 Who's Laughing Now BBQ
45 Pork U
46 Front Range BBQ Boy
47 Ryhthm 'n Que
48 Casper Mountain BBQ
49 Addicted to Smokin
50 Tropical Heat BBQ
51 Smoke'n Bones
52 One Smoke Over the Line
53 The Cowboy Way
54 BBQ Magic
55 Smoked to the Bone
56 Butcher's Daughter BBQ
57 Two Smokin' Guys
58 Ranch 13 BBQ
59 Smokey Bones
60 Smoke Slayers
61 AZTEC BBQ
62 Piggy D's BBQ
63 Sauce Goddess Comp. Q Te
64 When Pigs Fly
65 Big Rack BBQ
66 Andrews Rib Shack
67 Butthead BBQ
68 The Cowboy & The Rose
69 Mua BBQ & Company
70 Left Coast Q
71 Smokin Envy BBQ
72 Smokin in Mesquite
73 T-Bone's Famous
74 Montana Bar BQ
75 Sin City Smokers
76 Susie's Q Southern BBQ
77 Smokin Goatheads

ThomEmery
02-26-2011, 08:49 PM
Does anybody know if Butcher's Daughter is actually Fast Eddy? :shock:


:) Naw Donna is a CBJ who decided to cook

Chenernator
02-26-2011, 10:08 PM
Not reflected in the results were the outstanding hospitality, paella, chili and whiskey cake served up by bbally. :clap2:

Big Poppa
02-27-2011, 12:01 AM
Wow nice comp...... tough teams...... Lotsa fun!

Crash
02-27-2011, 01:55 AM
Lots of practice been goin on
Two great teams on the way up :)

Couldnt agree with you more Thom. IAB has 2 RGC's under their belt this year and Brazen has been stalking for a while now. Their 2nd GC in the past 4 months I think.

JD McGee
02-27-2011, 11:32 AM
Wow nice comp...... tough teams...... Lotsa fun!

Looks like the new rig worked well...congrats on your walks...see you Friday! :-P

Congrats to all! Pretty good showing for one of our local teams as well..."4. Pit-n-Pits BBQ"...:thumb:

Capn Kev
02-27-2011, 01:13 PM
Interesting results, anybody know what Johnny Rotisserie was cooking on?

I wasn't there to witness, but looks like he might have actually cooked on an open pit ;)

Here's a photo from the Royal: http://bbq.about.com/od/competitions/ig/American-Royal-BBQ-Competition-2010/Jonny-Rotisserie-and-the-Auspiteers.htm

big matt
02-27-2011, 08:06 PM
Congrats to our good buddies John and Brad on the GC!..also congrats to I.A.B. 30 for RGC..Tom it was great to meet you and Paul..and congrats to all who walked that was one hell of a field!

glenntm
02-27-2011, 09:40 PM
Congrats to our good buddies John and Brad on the GC!..also congrats to I.A.B. 30 for RGC..Tom it was great to meet you and Paul..and congrats to all who walked that was one hell of a field!

Thanks Matt. See you guys soon.

Fishiest1
02-28-2011, 08:21 AM
Tom,

Huge Congrats! Can't thank you enough for all the advice you have given me.

Keep up the great work!

Wally

G$
02-28-2011, 08:26 AM
Congratulations to all! Skip sure knows how to bring the teams in. Wish we could have made it back this year.

Question: This contest had 80 teams in an area that typically has seen 40 or so. To those that competed, how do you think it effected the scoring, if at all, given the make up of the judging pool? Do you think Judging was consistent with contests in AZ from the last 12 -24 months?

Funtimebbq
02-28-2011, 08:27 AM
:) Naw Donna is a CBJ who decided to cook

Her father is/was a butcher. Her first contest and she competed all alone.

Alexa RnQ
02-28-2011, 10:10 AM
Big congratulations to Brazen for their GC -- their team motto should be "Skinny boys can cook too!" :becky:

Congratulations also to I.A.B. 30 for their RGC -- you guys sure put in the mileage doing multiple walks in that packed tent!

This is such a neat venue -- the boys had a BLAST catching striped bass, and it was great catching up with everybody that we haven't seen in weeks.

bbally
02-28-2011, 10:21 AM
Congratulations to all! Skip sure knows how to bring the teams in. Wish we could have made it back this year.

Question: This contest had 80 teams in an area that typically has seen 40 or so. To those that competed, how do you think it effected the scoring, if at all, given the make up of the judging pool? Do you think Judging was consistent with contests in AZ from the last 12 -24 months?

Don't know what the regulars think.

We won the Chili category that was winner take all. Did over a thousand dollars in samples. The weather was a lot colder then last year, but that happens.

On to KCBS:

I think since this was my third contest I have established that whatever it is the judges are taught is good barbeque is not the kind of barbeque I cook. Three events, this times in the bottom ten, they either like stuff sweet or sauced or something that I don't do.

But for me that is OK, as I only want to make what we sell. That is what we did, had fun at it, skip does a great job with the event. The weather will be better next year and we will be back. Just won't waste money entering the KCBS meats. I will cook our barbeque and do the public tasting to help the lions club raise their money, but no point in paying to have stuff judged if the judges are taught a different style of barbeque.

This is a great event, and congrats to those teams that make what they like and do it well. They are hard working and do well cause they are excellent at the game.

The event is in a great location and should normally have great weather.

Neat to win the chili, mostly because it is the chili we make everyday.

glenntm
02-28-2011, 11:29 AM
Big congratulations to Brazen for their GC -- their team motto should be "Skinny boys can cook too!" :becky:

Congratulations also to I.A.B. 30 for their RGC -- you guys sure put in the mileage doing multiple walks in that packed tent!

This is such a neat venue -- the boys had a BLAST catching striped bass, and it was great catching up with everybody that we haven't seen in weeks.

Thanks Alexa. Always great to see you and Vince. See you at Wildomar.

Stoneman
02-28-2011, 11:48 AM
Great contest, I just thought is was going to be warmer down there this time of year.

Bentley
02-28-2011, 11:55 AM
I was both a judge and a table captian. One thing that teams need to push KCBS for is proper lighting in a closed Judging tent. I am no lighting expert, I think they were Mercury Vapor, not sure if they are used any more, but all of the boxes I looked at had a very funky look to then. I think it drasticlly effected the appearance scores at our table.

Mrs. McFrankenboo
02-28-2011, 12:18 PM
I was both a judge and a table captian. One thing that teams need to push KCBS for is proper lighting in a closed Judging tent. I am no lighting expert, I think they were Mercury Vapor, not sure if they are used any more, but all of the boxes I looked at had a very funky look to then. I think it drasticlly effected the appearance scores at our table.

I wondered the same thing!! My hands looked purple in that tent during awards and I wondered if that would factor in to anything. Perhaps that's what happened to our Brisket appearance scores :doh:

Scottie
02-28-2011, 01:25 PM
Did anyone go swimming?

AZScott
02-28-2011, 03:25 PM
Interesting observation about the lighting. All our presentation scores were all right around where they normally are. Two were higher and two were lower than average but you are right, that lighting was not the best for presenting food.

RangerJ
02-28-2011, 03:50 PM
Congratulations to all! Skip sure knows how to bring the teams in. Wish we could have made it back this year.

Question: This contest had 80 teams in an area that typically has seen 40 or so. To those that competed, how do you think it effected the scoring, if at all, given the make up of the judging pool? Do you think Judging was consistent with contests in AZ from the last 12 -24 months?

Wondering where this number came from? 71 teams in this same contest last year. Granted "typically" is in bold, but this event was a large draw last year and there were no issues with the judging.

Chenernator
02-28-2011, 10:55 PM
Don't know what the regulars think.

We won the Chili category that was winner take all. Did over a thousand dollars in samples. The weather was a lot colder then last year, but that happens.

On to KCBS:

I think since this was my third contest I have established that whatever it is the judges are taught is good barbeque is not the kind of barbeque I cook. Three events, this times in the bottom ten, they either like stuff sweet or sauced or something that I don't do.

But for me that is OK, as I only want to make what we sell. That is what we did, had fun at it, skip does a great job with the event. The weather will be better next year and we will be back. Just won't waste money entering the KCBS meats. I will cook our barbeque and do the public tasting to help the lions club raise their money, but no point in paying to have stuff judged if the judges are taught a different style of barbeque.

This is a great event, and congrats to those teams that make what they like and do it well. They are hard working and do well cause they are excellent at the game.

The event is in a great location and should normally have great weather.

Neat to win the chili, mostly because it is the chili we make everyday.

There should be a paella contest next year!

Chenernator
02-28-2011, 11:01 PM
I was both a judge and a table captian. One thing that teams need to push KCBS for is proper lighting in a closed Judging tent. I am no lighting expert, I think they were Mercury Vapor, not sure if they are used any more, but all of the boxes I looked at had a very funky look to then. I think it drasticlly effected the appearance scores at our table.

The lighting was a bit strange, and it was probably diminshed by the cloudy skies, as well. On the other hand, it was also the same for all entrants.

Great contest, I just thought is was going to be warmer down there this time of year. Maybe next year.

G$
03-01-2011, 08:54 AM
Wondering where this number came from? 71 teams in this same contest last year. Granted "typically" is in bold, but this event was a large draw last year and there were no issues with the judging.

Wesley,
80 is far from typical, regardless of Hava getting 70 last year. (And I know they did, because we placed 68th in chicken or something like that! :doh:). It is a great contest and a great venue and will contiunue to be a big draw.

But as you know the average contest here is in the 40 range, or maybe a little lower. Hava BBQ is twice the average.

I did not mean to imply there were any 'issues' with judging. I am trying to figure out how/if large events impact performance (and judging) in general, and specifically in areas where it is perceived there is not a large 'local' judging pool.

I do think the topic has interesting implications on other subjects as well, specifically team/contest density.

Maybe this discussion should be forked?

glenntm
03-01-2011, 09:17 AM
They had more that 120 CBJ's singed up on the list for the weekend. I'm not sure there was any shortage to support an event of this size.

Vince RnQ
03-01-2011, 10:01 AM
I think the point that G$ is trying to make is that when you have a contest of unusually large size for the area, there are going to be wide variances in the experience level of the judging pool. While there may have been in excess of 100 CBJs signed up for the event, the questions that arise are:

How many of those judges came out of the CBJ class held the night before the contest and were participating in their first event?
How many of those judges came out of the CBJ class held the night before last year's contest and only have one contest of experience?
While all the teams are subjected to the same pool of judges, the odds of hitting a wonky table are greatly increased when there is a wide variance in judging experience inside that tent. Please keep in mind that this discussion should in no way diminish the accomplishments of the teams that did well at this event. It simply illustrates that luck is still a big part of game at the end of any event.

RangerJ
03-01-2011, 10:32 AM
yeah, I misread. I thought he was referring to the amount of cookers at this particular competition.

25 -40 is or was about right for that area when I was there.

My mistake.

RangerJ
03-01-2011, 10:34 AM
[QUOTE=VisionQuest220;1564369]
How many of those judges came out of the CBJ class held the night before last year's contest and only have one contest of experience?
[QUOTE]

Obviously all the ones that judged my boxes! :wink: Last year that is..

Scottie
03-01-2011, 10:44 AM
While I was not there, so I can comment on judging. :becky: My guess is that judging had an effect on the contest. Not taking ANYTHING away from the winners at all.. But there was a CBJ class right before the contest. From my experience, that can offer up some strange scores and some scores from judges that were a "bit" off... Whether that is a higher or lower score.

Congrats to all the winners.


Congratulations to all! Skip sure knows how to bring the teams in. Wish we could have made it back this year.

Question: This contest had 80 teams in an area that typically has seen 40 or so. To those that competed, how do you think it effected the scoring, if at all, given the make up of the judging pool? Do you think Judging was consistent with contests in AZ from the last 12 -24 months?

Scottie
03-01-2011, 10:47 AM
Guess I should have read all of the responses, before I offered up mine... :becky:

Another thing that I can point out about the number of teams at this contest and why is it double in size for that region... Realize that this contest gets teams from all over. Probably because it is warmer than the locations that they live and the money is also not that bad. Not the biggest for prize fund, but enough to bring teams out for a "spring break"...



I think the point that G$ is trying to make is that when you have a contest of unusually large size for the area, there are going to be wide variances in the experience level of the judging pool. While there may have been in excess of 100 CBJs signed up for the event, the questions that arise are:

How many of those judges came out of the CBJ class held the night before the contest and were participating in their first event?
How many of those judges came out of the CBJ class held the night before last year's contest and only have one contest of experience?
While all the teams are subjected to the same pool of judges, the odds of hitting a wonky table are greatly increased when there is a wide variance in judging experience inside that tent. Please keep in mind that this discussion should in no way diminish the accomplishments of the teams that did well at this event. It simply illustrates that luck is still a big part of game at the end of any event.

Bentley
03-01-2011, 10:59 AM
I helped with the Thursday CBJ class, Very few of the judges from that class were judging, I would say less then 10%. Can't speake as to the amount that took it the year before. The judging pool was primarialy set before Thanksgiving. When Kelly had the judges line up outside to prioritize the judging pool, over half had judged more then 10 times...There were over 15 MCBJ's in attendance, there were only 13 tables.. We had one person at our table who had taken the class, everyone else had at least 4 contests in their book. It was one of the more experienced judging pools I have judged at.

Chenernator
03-01-2011, 12:08 PM
They had more that 120 CBJ's singed up on the list for the weekend. I'm not sure there was any shortage to support an event of this size.

Yes, but by judging time, there were multiple tables that had people doing double-duty as table captains and judges. Also, there was a judges class Thursday night, and I would estimate that there was one new judge at each table. On the plus side, well over half the judges had experience from at least six comps.

bbally
03-01-2011, 04:09 PM
Yes, but by judging time, there were multiple tables that had people doing double-duty as table captains and judges. Also, there was a judges class Thursday night, and I would estimate that there was one new judge at each table. On the plus side, well over half the judges had experience from at least six comps.

While I think this would have an impact.

I am still of the opinion that they are taught or at least most have a perference for sauced up barbeque. I don't know cause I have not gone to a judges class and probably won't.... but it sure looks to me after three contests that you have to have some type of icky sticky sugary salty stuff to be consider barbeque.

Could be wrong, but it sure looks like it to me based on what I tasted and saw winning.

Again, does not matter to me, I think the teams that won and placed worked their asssses off to win and place and I understand that... but I am sure the KCBS judge is taught to look for something that I have not sold in the last 17 years.

Chenernator
03-01-2011, 10:49 PM
While I think this would have an impact.

I am still of the opinion that they are taught or at least most have a perference for sauced up barbeque. I don't know cause I have not gone to a judges class and probably won't.... but it sure looks to me after three contests that you have to have some type of icky sticky sugary salty stuff to be consider barbeque.

Could be wrong, but it sure looks like it to me based on what I tasted and saw winning.

Again, does not matter to me, I think the teams that won and placed worked their asssses off to win and place and I understand that... but I am sure the KCBS judge is taught to look for something that I have not sold in the last 17 years.

The KCBS judges class and the CD played at each judges meeting both include the fact that sauce is optional. That being said, I've never seen unsauced chicken, and only rarely seen dry ribs. On a sauce continuum (from least to greatest), the categories seem to rank brisket, pork, ribs, chicken. Pork seems to be 50/50 and brisket about 25%.

Some cooks will tell you they cook for the judges, and others will tell you they cook what pleases them. That's your call. Selling is also different than competing. What have you sold that last 17 years?

bbally
03-02-2011, 08:03 AM
What have you sold that last 17 years?

Barbeque catering


Thanks for the information.